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I find it a bit hypocritical that you disregard all evidence of evolution, offer no concrete evidence in creation's favor, and then demand proof of evolution. A huge scientific consensus agree with the tested theories of evolution, and you claim that the bible backs all science and is in sync with it? Look at the huge mountain of evidence, man. Here's a good place to start:Quote:
Originally Posted by Krogith
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/
This in-depth, multi-part course takes you through evolutionary theory and mechanisms, from definitions to details, natural selection to genetic drift, mutations to punctuated equilibrium
DID YOU CATCH THAT? Theory? They have no proof all of it is Ideas. Lots of people have idea that are wrong. Theres no Proof.
My proof is the acceracy of the bible.
First of all, you have no "proof" of the accuracy of the Bible.
Secondly, you seem to have a misunderstanding of the word 'proof' in the first place.
(Source: http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/newton...ogy/bio039.htm)Quote:
Author: Dr. R. Topper
Text: First let me say that I am not a biologist, but a chemist. So I
do not have a very detailed answer to your question. I first want to say that
scientists have a very special meaning for the word "proof." In fact, it is
so difficult to "prove" a scientific theory that I can honestly say that there
are NO pieces of scientific knowledge that have actually been "proved."
Scientists come up with a theory, and then they test it in as many ways as
they can, looking for evidence or information which will either prove the
theory to be impossible, or maybe verify some of the theory's predictions, or
change the theory a little. Most theories start out because someone has done
a lot of experiments, or a lot of studies, to look at something, and then they
make a general guess as to how that thing works. This is called a "theory" in
science. However, if we guess how things are based on what someone else tells
us, or based on what we read, that is not a "theory" to a scientist but a "guess." After all of that, I guess you would like to hear some EVIDENCE
supporting evolution. One piece of evidence is based on our DNA molecules.
Every single cell in our bodies contains DNA, a special molecule which
literally makes us what we are. Our DNA is almost EXACTLY the same as gorilla
DNA, and is even closer to DNA obtained from fossils of ancient ancestors of
human beings. There is much more evidence, but I will let the biologists take
over.
No proof about the bible? There are ocean organizums found at the tops of mountains and there are fossle records of animals from differnt ecosystems in the same area unexplained... O wait thats right noah and the flood...
Science has found that animals just seem to appear and not change for millions of years, and then there gone. They can;t link up evolution as hard as they try.
Krogith I find your suggestion (that if not for a wrathful God then man would have no reason to do good instead of bad) to be quite risible. Is that what you're basing your faith on? Fear?
Here's just one "fact" from The Bible which I find hard to swallow.
Methuselah lived to be 969 years old.
Do you believe that to be true? Or do you think the age is meant to be symbolic?
the people back towards adam and eves day were closer to prefection, and also consider this..
If the earth was a paradice would not our oxygen suply be alot higher than today? Oxygen is anti bacteria and with such a oxygen rich envryoment I do not think it impossable to live a life of 900. Science today has yet to explain why we grow old and what causes our cells to start sucideing.
In all reality our bodys should run and renew them selfs. After noah's day most vegation would of been wiped out cept a few higher places. So the earth would be working differntly, because befor noah's day it didn't rain, a mist went up from the earth to water all, Thats why no one belived him it was going to rain and flood everything.
With all the water added to our earth the atmisphear must of dramaticly changed.
(sorry for spelling, Hope you get my points)
The Bible was not mean to be taken literally. Fundamentalism is a relatively recent movement. The Bible was meant to be a collection of stories which have relevance to modern life, and I think some of them (i.e. the Good Samaritan) do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignatius
I agree with you Stedric.
Kothrig thinks that Methuselah could easily have lived for 900+ years because the oxygen was better.
I needed to get a handle on his grasp of science, and now I know.
Surely you're not suggesting that the entire New Testament should not be taken literally and is just a collection of sotires ? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stedric
Ignatius, are you ignoring me ? ;) :D
The people who wrote the bible didn't even live as long as we do today.
Point being... That just because people die when there 80 er so now does not mean that if the world was perfectly working they would still die at 80 . who knows if you were born in a pure world that worked the way it was ment to, that your life span would increse? Could you of convinced people in midevil times that if they did this or that they would live to 80+ like we do today? Stop being blind. There are things possable out side of your box.
Possible, but unlikely.
Verging on the impossible that man can live for 900+ years.
I'm going to try though Kogrith, you betcha!
sorry, i forgot i posted this. im not gonna read through all of the replies, but some of them i did read. the bottom line is, it doesnt matter if you're religious or not. you're still influenced by religion. because your influenced by society. and a godles society or not, that society was still influenced by religion because religion set a general status quo for human behavior. yet many people bash it as the problem for everything. aside from brain capacity, i think religion is what mostly seperates us from animals.
Not really, the average person has a maximum potential life span of 124 years. At the end of every strand of DNA, which is found in all our cells, are a protein chain called telomeres. Telomeres are essential for cell reproduction to continue, and every time our cell divides the telomere gets shorter. The DNA within each cell can only shorten its telomeres so many times before it can not be split in half and replicated again. When this happens, the cells which have run out die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krogith
You may want to consider this philosophy yourself. There are many meanings in life to be found outside of your god, and I consider it just as "blind" to accept arguments like 900 year old men just because the book you agree with tells you so.Quote:
Stop being blind. There are things possable out side of your box.
Not really, some people are born in the World never knowing what to fear, tribes in far off places have no need of a belief system, they are not influenced by any higher power whatsoever, they still manage to exsist and co-exsist along side one another. Your right religion isn't responsible in itself but it is way too open to mis interpretation and the nieve like krogith.Its also true to say a gun only becomes a weapon when it is used against someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by idontgivenames
a want to "do good" is a passed on trait. apes who helped each other survived better, having a group to rely on, than solitray apes. i mean think about it
if you believe in option 'b' then why cant you spell a simple word like knowledge?Quote:
Originally Posted by Krogith
vast "knoladge" indeed, hah!