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You said something that you that simply repeat like a parrot and can't back up or defend. When challenged I get back some drivel that is a weak attempt to change the subject about Fox news or Rush Limbaugh, Typical. :DQuote:
Rush Limbaugh telling you this? Turn on another station besides Fox, or try a google search and listen to the rest of the world scream blooody murder about it.
MAKE THAT TWO!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bong30
Uh, about 500 munitions of sarin and mustard gas WERE found! The rest were sent to Syria and Iran!Quote:
Originally Posted by psychocat
So True So SadQuote:
Originally Posted by Markass
:thumbsup: :D Glad ta have you aboard dude! THANKS FOR YER SERVICE!Quote:
Originally Posted by ddropdeadfred
WOOT! KNOCKED HIS ARGUMENT OUT DA BALLPARK!:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by ddropdeadfred
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Originally Posted by Mark Bryan
That would only be your opinion not a fact and since I'm only interested in facts like for instance the fact that Bush said they had no WMDs however they had the information to create them. Very different from the original statement of He definately has WMD.
The words are coming out of his (GWs) mouth so therefore I can only assume he said it , how is that refutable with all the stations in the west broadcasting it , are you trying to tell me that the whole western world has a conspiracy against Bush and what we are seeing is faked?
Take off the blinkers.
I am a chemist so therefore I too have the knowledge to create WMD can I expect a knock from George and his boys ?
Hey, Psychocat. Off-subject question for a moment, but I want to ask you. Are you a chemist as in pharmacist? Or a research or lab chemist? I'm interested because I occasionally have biochemistry questions (I'm a first-year med student) and would love to find someone who's knowledgeable about medical biochem here in cyberspace. Just trying to find out if that's your area by any chance.
Syria and Iran? Why would Sadam send WMD to his regional enemies?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Bryan
You never know! Even the WORST of enemies can put their differences aside and be united in their hatred towards what they percieve to be a GREATER enemy! After all, America is percieved to be the great satan!Quote:
Originally Posted by graymatter
HELLO,I said they found 500 munitions of sarin and mustard gas which means WMDs WERE found!Quote:
Originally Posted by psychocat
I am a lab chemist mixing up cocktails that are used as specialist coatings for all sorts of things from North Sea oilrigs to fighterplanes. Lots of nice chemicals to play with, lots of them extremely explosive , no smoking at work, last explosion ripped the safety doors off and blew them 40 feet into a wall, damn near demolished it.Lockdown antifire system that locks all the doors 30 seconds after the fire alarm sounds and pumps an inert gas into the building to kill any fire this is why there are loads of exits and oxygen supplies everywhere. Also a very secure terrain.Quote:
Originally Posted by birdgirl73
PS Bush said they weren't there Mark , are you calling George a liar ?
Thanks for replying, Psychocat! Sounds like you play with higher stakes chemicals than a first-year med biochem student. Yikes. I'm sure you already are, but please continue to be very, very careful.
OK, Mark and everyone else. Here's some interesting info that may make this disagreement easier for everyone to take.
The 500 munitions of mustard and sarin? Yep, they were indeed found.
And Bush's remark that there weren't any WMDs found since 2003? Yep, that happened too. The thing is the mustard and sarin munitions were recognized immediately by the inspectors and experts as old, rusty pre-1991 mustard and sarin canisters, precisely the type Saddam used on the Kurds and others Iraqi citizens his Ba'ath Party went after, but definitely not what the inspectors were looking for to indicate evidence of a continuing WMD program after the end of the first Gulf War. It was that last part there, the continuing program after 1991 or 92, that Bush II predicated the invasion of Iraq on. And that's why Bush willingly admitted they didn't find what they were looking for. The old canisters they did find still prove that Saddam was both a liar (he said there weren't any weapons at all) and a brutal killer of his own people, at least the ethnic minorites he didn't like.
Here are two reasonably objective pieces about these two different parts of the story in case you're interested:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html
http://www.csm.ornl.gov/PR/PR2004/NS-07-12-04.html
Nice, Birdgirl. How the heck do you have time for this stuff?
I still disagree with "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" argument. If Saddam built viable WMD, the last thing he would do is ship them to Syria... OR Iran. He wasn't the brightest bulb on the dictator planet, and he always assumed we wouldn't go directly after him.
If that's the case why strengthen your regional enemies?
Hey, Gray, my friend. I only have time for it because I can write and type as fast as I can think. And I can research facts just slightly less quickly. All those many years of speechwriting for a living. Otherwise, I'd be hosed. Completely relegated to being a science bookworm-nerd. And nothing else.
Also today's my 45th birthday, and so I'm rebelling against the "establishment" of my current priorities and researching and writing about what I want to. . . .After a big dinner and a glass and a half of wine, politics here seems more compelling.
How're you? And please tell me candidly if you or any of your late-40s contemporaries truly do find women in their mid-40s attractive? I want to know if my husband and our neighbors have been lying to me this evening. If I've been lying to myself. . . .
Hey, thanks, I've been working my ass off lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by birdgirl73
Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I find women with gray (not borrowed from my pen, and not assuming you are) extremely sexy. In any event, please don't cover it up when it comes.
That's reassuring to me. Thank you. Thank you for saying that.
Yes, I've got some gray. I let just a tad show through at the temples. It fortunately looks somewhat like highlights where it is. I confess I do pay money to have it disguised in other places, like on top of my head.
My girlfriend does that, too.
Quick story.
My ex-wife "admired" my best friends brother because of his full and long gray hair. He was 25, we were nearly 40 (age discrepency only, nothing happened there).
NO! BOTH sides said there WERE,but then didn't find any until recently through intel sources. I heard it on Boortz radio and the Sean Hannity show! That's what I'm updatin' YOU on!Quote:
Originally Posted by psychocat
Thanks for a WELL BALANCED response! I wish I had time to dig this information up! I hope psycho considers this!Quote:
Originally Posted by birdgirl73
We should have just said, we are going into Iraq to fight radical Islam.
Damn thats not PC though....Fuck PC.
Good point!:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bong30
Thank you for your concern , I am flattered.Quote:
Originally Posted by birdgirl73
I love my playthings but also realise the danger of not being extremely careful at all times. :thumbsup:
The biggest problem with what has happened in Iraq is that by removing Saddam all the factions that were shit scared of him have come out of the woodwork and all hell is breaking loose .
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5368360.stm
I would've expected better of Britain after all the years they spent trying to police Northern Ireland with military might, have we not enough to do to sort out our own countries before "dictating" to others how to run theirs.
How soon the Brits forget http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4661753.stm
The Americans too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_mcveigh
[Hamlet said the Following]
I could post a hundred pictures of thousands of little girls with their guts blown out!--BY US! All because they were in our way of the OIL!
--- Oil? Oil??? Have you SEEN the price of gas? I mean c'mon, you can make a very plausable argument that buisiness in weaponry is the cause, but oil?? I don't really think you understand the argument you're making.
Radical Islam is made up of primative cultures who would still be shooting each other off the backs of camels with flintlock rifles if it wasn't for the oil under their sands. All a war on Islam accomplishes is to create more radical Jehodists waiting to die for Allah.
---- Should we have not attacked Nazi Germany because it would have created more Nazis? How is that justice? How does that even make sense? You're impression of radical islam is very contorted. As war technology continues to increase it it's fatality you can damn well bet these fanatics will get their hands on it unchecked. You can't just say "we'll let them duke it out" and expect the problem to go away.
We're not even fighting a war. Our soldiers are policing and getting blown up while factions fight a civil war with each other.
---- That's a portion of the war effort; do you read up on this stuff very much? I'm not questioning your sincerity, but I don't think you really understand the scope of the war on terror as it's being fought. It's also in intellegence war, we're tracking down where terror funding comes from and where it goes. We've caught countless terrorists and taken much information from them. I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that stopping their money flow is a bad thing for the war goal.
We are fighting 'the worst war ever' though, as you said in another thread. It's one that the politically powerful are waging against their fellow citizens, the Constitution, and the rest of the World. All for more wealth and power.
----I heavily disagree. Somehow in your mind you think that terrorism never existed before 9/11. You think that all this hate magically came into reality when the United States went to the Middle East. These people have to be stopped before they're allowed to accuire high-fatality weaponry. Don't you get that? You can't just cover your eyes and wish it away. These people wanted you under their long before you even knew they existed.
I can hit middle-ground with you and compromise that yes, we have to be very careful with how the government re-adjusts it's power to fight this war because it can go too far. But you also need to recognize that the reasons for these changes aren't fabricated. The threat of Islamic Jihadists is very real, the problem with modern liberals is they have the ambition to fight internal threats, but not a damn drop to spare for fighting external threats.
go back for the last 2000 years stop being so small minded to not think that america because of it's instrest in OIL has caused and created a good reason to hate us. we fund and suport them then use them as tools to impose more US power? how does that make any sence.
AND if you read our constitution WERE SUPOST TO LEAVE OTHER COUNTRYS ALONE!
You are so dumb...............Quote:
Originally Posted by Krogith
if we are to leave other countrys alone... why did they kill 3000 of us on 9-11, and all the other attacks in the Name of radical islam.
London, Spain, India...and so On
If all we wanted was oil, why didnt we just make iraq our 51st state and take all the oil? Cause its not all about the oil. some yes all no.
Krogith why dont you just get the fuck out? MOve to Iran or something.
YOU STILL THINK IRAQ DID 9/11? are you kidding me bong ?
Radical Islam did 9-11....fucking Idiot.
Krogith if you were here i would kick your ass just for being as stupid as you are... I cant handle it
and sadly we took it out on the iraq people and now this RADICAL idoit group has more joining them because of what THE USA IS DOING!
because thoses (SO CALLED) people down the street from you are doing something you thing we should blow your house up to just because?
Violence breeds violence and if the so called most advanced country in the world can't see that then I really think they need to think what is so advanced about the ability to kill hundreds of people indiscriminately?
Bombs kill anyone in the neighbourhood and you can't tell me that it knows only to kill the bad guys because the civilian and child victims of this "war on terror" (LMFAO) are still mounting up, how civilised is that?
The manipulation of foreign countries in the interest of America is what makes enemies for America, the 10 million dollars used to undermine the duly elected "communist" leader of a neighbouring country just because the US is paranoid for instance.The assistance given to Pinochet.
In 1983, at the height of the civil war in El Salvador--as U.S. military aid and advisers were flowing into the tiny Central American country in proportion with the innocent blood being shed by government forces and their death squads--Mauricio, then a biochemistry teacher at the El Salvador University, was yanked out of his classroom by men in civilian clothes.The goons handcuffed, blindfolded, and beat him in front of his students, then took him to a clandestine torture center at the National Police Headquarters, where he was interrogated and tortured for a week and a half. The security forces overseeing his interrogation accused him of being a guerrilla commander--a charge Mauricio steadfastly denied.Mauricio says he was one of the lucky ones: He lived to tell about his ordeal. Many of his colleagues and co-workers were killed by security forces or death squads.Now, Mauricio and two other survivors of torture and rape at the hands of Salvadoran security forces have filed a civil suit in a U.S. district court against two Salvadoran generals who now reside in Florida. The complaint against the generals claims that the former defense ministers, as overseers of El Salvador's reign of terror, "bear personal responsibility" for the crimes perpetrated against the plaintiffs, as well as the "pattern and practice of systematic human-rights violations committed in El Salvador from 1979 to 1983."
The "crimes against humanity" charges against the generals are not unlike the ones that have been brought against Milosevic, yet the United States has not been quite as gung-ho in assisting with the case against the Salvadorans.
That's to be expected: After all, the terror apparatus that these men controlled would not have been possible without the help of the United States, and this inconvenient fact no doubt has dampened the will of U.S. officials to see justice served in Mauricio's case or any other that might involve its former clients in El Salvador.Or those in Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Ecuador, Bolivia, Uruguay, and Paraguay. When the military leaders of these countries decided to team up in the 1970s to wipe out leftist elements throughout South America, they also were assisted by the United States in the form of training, intelligence, and arms.The brainchild of none other than former Chilean dictator Gen. Augusto Pinochet, this international wave of state terror--dubbed Operation Condor--swept up people like Martin Almada. The Paraguayan schoolteacher was kidnapped by security forces in November 1974, after completion of his doctoral studies in Argentina. Almada was interrogated and tortured by a group of military officers that included several foreigners.
Puzzled by the multinational composition of his captors, he soon learned from other prisoners--including a Paraguayan police officer and a well-known Argentinian leftist--about Operation Condor.After an Amnesty International campaign helped win his release, Almada moved to Paris and began research to find out the identity of his captors, as well as the cause of his wife's mysterious death. He eventually turned up documents and diaries mentioning Operation Condor, which he handed over to the Spanish judge who would later indict Pinochet on charges of genocide, torture, terrorism, and abduction.Almada's research, as well as other recently declassified documents, suggest that high-ranking U.S. officials, including Henry Kissinger, were kept informed of Operation Condor activities. (Judges in Chile, Argentina, and France have summoned Kissinger to answer questions about his knowledge of Operation Condor.)
Almada says his goal is not to embarrass the United States, but he, like Mauricio, demands accountability. "We want to find the truth, that's all," Almada says. "Then justice will come. We are thirsting for justice--not vengeance."
Unfortunately for the US not all people fucked over by the US goverment are as forgiving as Almada
*sigh* Oh yes, I've seen the price of gasoline lately...and the record profits each quarter for Exxon. I worked for Exxon back in the 80's on the colony oil shale project in Colorado. Indirectly that is...I worked for a small exploration drilling company who worked for Brown & Root (<that name ring a bell? Halliburton?), who worked for Exxon. The Government was pressuring Exxon to develop the massive amounts of oil shale there. It was estimated that it would cost 3 billion dollars to get production up and running.Quote:
--- Oil? Oil??? Have you SEEN the price of gas? I mean c'mon, you can make a very plausable argument that buisiness in weaponry is the cause, but oil?? I don't really think you understand the argument you're making.
Exxon went in and blew money like a drunk sailor on saturday night. All cost plus, safety first to an extreme that was crippling, everyone was paid higher than Union wages to keep the unions out, plus living expenses, plus free housing. Our small company had brand new equipment for everything, new 4x4's, new drills, forklifts, dozers, the works...all paid for by Exxon. I could tell you stories of obscene waste, like when they had me dropping 5k survey equipment down a hole only to be uselessly lost, and without blinking, they would buy another just to be lost again.
Exxon spent 7 billion on the half completed project and told the Government Oil Shale was just too expensive to mine. They shut the job down overnight without a warning to the thousands of people employed there, devastating the local economy and leaving a ghost town. Exxon collected nice fat subsidies from the Federal Government footing the bill for their genuine efforts.
( And in return they make sure their friends in Washington get elected. You can't begin to grasp the power and wealth Exxon has until you've seen it in action. --geez, I probably just sent the Illuminati crew into a seizure)
This is business as usual for the oil companies. This is how they operate.
The rest of my statements and your rebuttals speak for themselves I think.
In the words of Torog....have a good one.......
Hamlet, Hamlet, Hamlet. I do believe I love you, Hamlet. Thank you for spending your time arguing solid, credible points. I no longer have the energy or the inclination. But I do love it when you do. . . . Thanks.
Neither Do I BG........I Just say Fuck this, Fuck that I cant even hold my tounge for you BG.Quote:
Originally Posted by birdgirl73
Hamlet.....Exxon profits.....
Guys this is how over it I am......
I say lets (us regular living paycheck to paycheck americans) Start sniping the CEO, CFO, of the oil companys ONE BY ONE till there profits are less than the GDP of most countrys.....
In China Stealing GAS, is Punishable BY death...... I say stealing Money from us with GAS...Is punishable by DEATH
Start SNIPING CEOs and see what the prices do..........
WORLD................... I AM OVER IT.
I DONT GIVE A FUCK IF I CUSS... I DONT CARE ABOUT PC....... GLOVES OFF.