Isreal and American support for violence.

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That's the most illogical bullshit I ever read.

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Really? Explain please!

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You equate terrorists and civilians as one as the same.

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WHERE?!

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And apparently crossing borders is defined as self-defense.

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In this case? YES!
Right :rolleyes:

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Guess what? In America, if someone egged my car, I don't have the right to bash his head in. I'd go to prison if I did.

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Now you know how FUCKED UP the laws are! If he broke into your house and threatened to kill you and your family WHAT WOULD YOU DO?!

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I don't see these standards applied to citizens of America, applied to Israel in anyway. The fact is Israel get special treatment from the United States.

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What's wrong with that?

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America should take no sides, and not provide 60% of it's aid to military spending.

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You have a point here,George Washington himself said we shouldn't involve ourselves with foreign entanglements,I concede that,but at LEAST we're assistin' the RIGHT side! After all America (Joseph) and Israel (Judah) have an ancient relationship and Judah and Joseph are HALF brothers,so it's perfectly logical for families to aid one another.

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So therefore Mark if there was a sniper in your neighbourhood I would be justified in calling in an airstrike to destroy your homes and kill everyone just to get my sniper?

If you believe that then imo you need some serious help.

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You missed me ENTIRELY!

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your hate for bush/America clouds your judgement

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Wednesday, August 02, 2006

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BOURJ AL-MULOUK, Lebanon â?? Israel poured up to 10,000 armored troops into south Lebanon Tuesday, and commandos raided a Hezbollah-run hospital and captured guerrillas during pitched battles deep in the eastern Bekaa Valley, a major escalation of the three-week-old war.

In the attack on the ancient city of Baalbek, about 80 miles north of Israel, commandos ferried in by helicopters fought Hezbollah guerrillas inside and around the hospital under cover of heavy airstrikes, witnesses said. At least seven people were killed in the city, they said. Israel said an unspecified number of guerrillas were captured and no soldiers were hurt.

â?¢ CountryWatch: Israel | Lebanon | Syria | Iran

The raid was the deepest ground attack on Lebanon since fighting started three weeks ago.

Hezbollah's rocket attacks into Israel, meanwhile, diminished. Hezbollah fired just 10 rockets across the border Tuesday and two early Wednesday, well below an average of about 100 a day since fighting began.

The ferocity of the battles in the Bekaa Valley and across southern Lebanon and the determination of the Israelis to keep fighting quelled expectations for an early cease-fire, although Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said an agreement on how to end the conflict was possible within days, not weeks




they went in On foot you fucking Tard... they didnt send in a air stike.

your hate your hate isclouding your judgement.


if we used your dumb logic... they would have just leveled the hospital.

they didnt...............cause your dumb

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Now THIS I can agree with! I STRONGLY SUSPECT Psychocat is antisemitic! I wonder if he DENIES the holocaust! :rolleyes:

[/QUOTE]they went in On foot you fucking Tard... they didnt send in a air stike.

your hate your hate isclouding your judgement.


if we used your dumb logic... they would have just leveled the hospital.

they didnt...............cause your dumb[/QUOTE]

Try again.

You're gonna tell me thats all the actions taken ??
So NO airstrikes took place?

You couldn't be more wrong.

Israeli leaders said the military would press on with air and ground assaults until Palestinian militants released Corporal Gilad Shalit, a soldier abducted in a cross-border raid on June 25, and halted rocket fire on Israeli cities.
I think if you check your time line "Tard" (how pathetic is that lol) you will find that isreal has been bombing using those things called planes thats an airstrike :rolleyes: .

As for the logic you can thank Mark for that.:thumbsup:
Please read the posts before commenting because otherwise you just come off as a complete retard. :D

Try doing your own research instead of just watching Fox.

Sourced from Toronto Radio

TORONTO/AM 640 TORONTO - Israel's prime minister is expressing ``great sorrow' for airstrikes that killed up to 57 people in a southern Lebanese village -- including no less than 34 children.
But he says Hezbollah guerrillas have used the area to launch rockets.

And he reportedly told US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice he needs 10 to 14 days to finish the offensive in Lebanon.

In an emergency session of the UN Security Council, UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan condemned the attacks, saying an end to the violence needs to come immediately.

So Bong30 tell me once again how it's all a nice clean surgical operation that kills only terrorists ?
34 children dead.

BTW accusing someone of antisemitism is pretty strong just cause they don't agree with you.
Funny that, but somehow expected , name calling and saying that I hate Jews or whatever is just your attempt to avoid being faced with the ugly truth.

PS I hate everyone who believes that violence is ever the answer.

bout airstrikes against funeral processions?

http://english.people.com.cn/200608/...09_291220.html

As for the logic you can thank Mark for that.:thumbsup:[/QUOTE]
WHAT LOGIC?

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BTW accusing someone of antisemitism is pretty strong just cause they don't agree with you.

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Did I say ACCUSE?! NO! I said I SUSPECT antisemiticism! GET IT RIGHT!

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Funny that, but somehow expected , name calling and saying that I hate Jews or whatever is just your attempt to avoid being faced with the ugly truth.

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What,that the Jews deserve what they get and it's wrong to support them? Now you sound like a LIBERAL!

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PS I hate everyone who believes that violence is ever the answer.

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LOOK DUDE! Israel pulled out of Lebanon back in 2000,I saw the tanks and jeeps pull outta there on TV myself! That gave HEZBULLY and NOSTRILLA time to regroup and rearm,to which the WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION which were smuggled out of Iraq into Iran and Syria and eventually into Lebanon to be used against Israel! When they pulled outta Gaza Hamas set up rocket launchers to fire into Jewish settlements in Israel! Bill Clinton and Madeline HALFbright gave Nuclear technology to China and North Korea! That's YOUR way of handlin' enemies who want to destroy us! You're INSANE! Israel was RIGHT to go in and knock out Saddam's nuclear arsenal back in '81 or we would've LOST the FIRST Gulf War in '91! YOU have to understand AND LEARN that the BEST way to survive and defend yourself would be a pre-emptive strike! The best defense is ALWAYS a good OFFENSE! That's what we need to learn and remember! DON'T NEGOTIATE WITH PEOPLE WHO WANT YOU DEAD! I don't know how else to break it down to ya! Look at what happened to France (Reuben)when they negotiated with Hitler! If we hadn't dropped the bomb over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, we'd be conquered by Japan and possibly Germany! I'll let you think on that!

Point 1 very very important point,, I am in no way religious , I do not hate neither jew catholic muslim mormom or whatever, I do however think ALL religions are a form of insanity.

Liberal lmao oh boy not that old chestnut.You will have to do better than name calling.

The atomic bomb being dropped once was the biggest criminal act ever,to do it twice was inhumane. Who would you fear someone who has never dropped the bomb or some sick fuck who had used it twice?

America didn't join the fight in Europe till it was almost over, you can thank the Russians for the massive sacrifice they made that Europe wasn't ove-run.
That and the fact that Hitler didn't learn from Napoleon.The Americans like to think they won the war but to be honest THEY DIDN'T !

So what you're saying is that it's ok to attack children because you may kill a few terrorists?
Occupation of a country by another country is allowed and encouraged (sending bombs via brit airports) if it's a freind doing the invading like with Isreal and Lebanon and intervention if you're not a freind like with Iraq and Kuwait.
How about when Saddam and the CIA worked together ? if Saddam had invaded Kuwait then would he have gotten help instead of hassle?

And bombing funerals now thats so fucking right isn't it?

Please try to get your head out of the bodily orifice it presently occupies.

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Point 1 very very important point,, I am in no way religious , I do not hate neither jew catholic muslim mormom or whatever, I do however think ALL religions are a form of insanity.

Liberal lmao oh boy not that old chestnut.You will have to do better than name calling.

The atomic bomb being dropped once was the biggest criminal act ever,to do it twice was inhumane. Who would you fear someone who has never dropped the bomb or some sick fuck who had used it twice?

America didn't join the fight in Europe till it was almost over, you can thank the Russians for the massive sacrifice they made that Europe wasn't ove-run.
That and the fact that Hitler didn't learn from Napoleon.The Americans like to think they won the war but to be honest THEY DIDN'T !

So what you're saying is that it's ok to attack children because you may kill a few terrorists?
Occupation of a country by another country is allowed and encouraged (sending bombs via brit airports) if it's a freind doing the invading like with Isreal and Lebanon and intervention if you're not a freind like with Iraq and Kuwait.
How about when Saddam and the CIA worked together ? if Saddam had invaded Kuwait then would he have gotten help instead of hassle?

And bombing funerals now thats so fucking right isn't it?

Please try to get your head out of the bodily orifice it presently occupies.

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PC if the Hezbullah leader was the the funeral......let the bomb Fly.


TELL THEM TO PUT A FUCKING UNIFORM ON..... Get away from the kids and women..............


You hate Jews, hate america, Hate Bush... it clouds your judgement.

You are obsessed with what you think I hate.

Because Isreal is imo wrong you equate that to my hating Jews. Wrong
Because I condemn America for arming any country hostile to another I hate Americans. Wrong again
I dislike the US goverments attempts to manipulate world politics so I hate Bush. Guess what you're wrong again.

I think ALL RELIGIONS are madness when taken to extremes.

As for America, I'm not really sure what to make of it to be honest, the people I've spoken to on the whole seem reasonable enough folk, with exceptions of course.I don't really know enough about the place to make to many judgements but the politicians have me worried.
Bush is simply a figurehead.

I believe you have the right to live as you see fit as long as you're harming nobody whatever you choose.

But most off all I believe you are completely mad if you think you can in any way justify the murder of any civilians.

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Guess what? In America, if someone egged my car, I don't have the right to bash his head in. I'd go to prison if I did.

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But if that same person said they wanted to kill you and your family and had made good on those threats and you used self defense then no you wouldnt go to prison.

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But if that same person said they wanted to kill you and your family and had made good on those threats and you used self defense then no you wouldnt go to prison.

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And I'm sure that if you used a fucking big bomb and took out half the neighbourhood in so doing, the local police chief would give you a medal.

Get real man if you killed innocent bystanders while defending yourself do you really think you're going anywhere but prison?

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First off, if the U.S. wasn't supplying Israel some other country would. Probably France.........after all, they gave Israel nuclear technology.

Second, if they weren't supplied so heavily they would be swarmed by their loving neighbors

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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wrong wrong wrong..
This week, USA started shiping bombs to Israel from Incirlik airbase Adana, Turkey.

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So would you say that the reaction to recent events was justified ?
What France has to do with this is a moot point really since I was asking about America not any other country,I don't believe anyone should be supplying either side as you are simply profitting from misery.


I can tell you that that there are so many similarities between the Milosevic regime and the regime in Isreal. Both have intention of ethnically cleansing their Mulsim population either through military or economic means. Both tried to restict the freedom of these people for example by restricting the freedom of movement or as was the case in Serbia the right to work. Both regimes have showed racist attitudes towards their Muslim population. The only difference is that USA dared to confront Serbia over the genocide in Bosnia , whereas it failed to confront Isreal over its treatment of arabs in Palestine.

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

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well said

I am very impressed by the knowledge you have, at the boards mostly people talk without any supported info, they say what they heard from others, you my friend, you know what you are talking about.
I am glad we are in the same boat on this subject.

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Howdy psychocat,

I voted yes,in yer poll..not only should we supply Israel munitions,but I hope that we have offered to provide something that they ain't got..a good ol' fashioned carpet-bombing with B-52's..it worked dang good at making thousands of Iraqi soldiers surrender and it's good at collapsing tunnel networks and bunkers too. The AC-130 Spectre gun-ships and A-10's,would be great for mopping up.

You see..there won't be a cease-fire that lasts more than 24 hours,until we or the Israeli's,destroy hezbollah. There can be no cease-fire,worth the paper it's written on,till Nasrallah and his minions,are blown to bits.

Have a good one ...

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I hope those planes carpet bombs you and your family you red neck

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what about the rocket attacks? people are dieing on bolth side CC.

why dont you guys say shit about Iran getting arms for Hezbullah?

cause you are brain washe dby the left leaning media........... thats why.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...276392,00.html


8 killed in rocket attack on Haifa



(VIDEO) Attack on north resumes: Rockets fired by Hizbullah terrorists from Lebanon land in Haifa; eight killed by direct hit on train depot. Worker: The truth is that last night (Saturday) I had a very bad feeling that this time it (rocket fire) would reach us. Today my premonition came true. Nahariya, Kiryat Bialik also targeted
Ahiya Raved



VIDEO - Israel Police said eight people were killed by a direct rocket strike on a train depot in Haifaâ??s Shemen Beach. Magen David Adom paramedics treated dozens of people wounded in the attack and evacuated them to hospitals in the city.



The names of the victims were released for publication:



Reuvan Levi, 43 year-old from Kiryat Ata

Danis Lapidos, 24 year-old from Kiryat Yam

Shmuel Ben Shimon, 41 year-old from Yokneam Ilit

Nisim Elhariri, 43 year-old from Kiryat Ata

Asa'el Damti, 39 year-old from Kiryat Yam

David Feldman, 28 year-old from Kiryat Yam

Sholomi Mansura, 35 year-old from Nahariya

Rafi Hazan, 30 year-old from Haifa




The IDF has begun an initial investigation of the incident. Sources in the IDF told Ynet that Hizbullah used, for the first time, a different type of rocket against Haifa, the Fajr model. The rocket has a 40 kilometer range, and can carry a larger amount of explosives than the Katyusha.

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why dont you write the names of dead arabs down, u cant? why? they are not human, not worth to think about? are they animals? too many to write down? say a thousand already dead?
getting bombed every day for decades is an usual part of life in that area while the rich jews are living behind the safety of their powerful military.
now jews lost eight people what a tragedy?

I am not arab but I am with the weak and right, Israel is powerful and mean. right is right wrong is wrong, explain a 6 year old kid he/she would be with the innocents cause kids dont think evilish, they are pure untill they got brainwashed.


Choose a side, but remember there are not two rights.

For me it's a simple choice and it isn't Isreals choice or Irans or Lebanons or anyone elses, it's Americas choice.

America has to ask itself are we right in supplying enemies with firepower or should we be doing more to try to enforce peace on both sides?

You can't push off responsibility for your own actions by pointing at another and saying "but they do it"

Since when did two wrongs make a right ?

If the might of America and Europe was concentrated on peace instead of commerce (bombs and planes don't come cheap) we might actualy get somewhere.
If the US is so interested in justice then why did they stand by and watch the genocide in Rhwanda

You may not know this but the U.S. is BILLIONS of dollars behind in U.N. dues. BILLIONS! Yet when the U.N. went to the U.S. to ask for the use of equipment essential to helping the situation in Rhwanda- the U.S. only offered to "lease" it for a high price.
They owed BILLIONS of dollars to the UN yet they can't loan them equipment to save lives. Why?
Because Rhwanda offers nothing in return. There was no benefit to the US going there. It's only lives? right?

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For me it's a simple choice and it isn't Isreals choice or Irans or Lebanons or anyone elses, it's Americas choice.

America has to ask itself are we right in supplying enemies with firepower or should we be doing more to try to enforce peace on both sides?

You can't push off responsibility for your own actions by pointing at another and saying "but they do it"

Since when did two wrongs make a right ?

If the might of America and Europe was concentrated on peace instead of commerce (bombs and planes don't come cheap) we might actualy get somewhere.
If the US is so interested in justice then why did they stand by and watch the genocide in Rhwanda

You may not know this but the U.S. is BILLIONS of dollars behind in U.N. dues. BILLIONS! Yet when the U.N. went to the U.S. to ask for the use of equipment essential to helping the situation in Rhwanda- the U.S. only offered to "lease" it for a high price.
They owed BILLIONS of dollars to the UN yet they can't loan them equipment to save lives. Why?
Because Rhwanda offers nothing in return. There was no benefit to the US going there. It's only lives? right?

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This is why CLINTON ignored it:

PARIS A former French soldier said Friday that he saw French troops training Rwandan militias in 1992, two years before those same civilian militias took a leading role in a genocide in the tiny central African country.

Rwandan officials, including President Paul Kagame, have long accused France of training the militias that helped carry out the 1994 slaughter of about 500,000 people, most of them from the country's Tutsi minority. The genocide was orchestrated by a government of extremists from Rwanda's Hutu majority.

The French government, which had close ties with the extremist government, has denied training Rwandan civilians, and the Defense Ministry refused to comment Friday on the allegations made by Thierry Prungnaud, a former noncommissioned officer in the French Army.

"In 1992, I saw French military members training Rwandan civilian militias to shoot a gun," Prungnaud told France Culture radio. He said he had been sent to Rwanda that year to train the presidential guard.

"I am categorical. I saw it."

The training session took place in a national park closed to the public, according to Prungnaud. He said he was not surprised by what he saw, since he was unaware of the consequences. "To me, it seemed normal," he said.

"The only time that I saw them, there were about 30 militants being taught how to shoot in Akagera park," in eastern Rwanda, an area he said at the time was closed to the public and booby-trapped to keep unwanted visitors away.

Prungnaud said he was able to identify the men as civilians because members of the Rwandan military are always in uniform. He identified the trainers as members of the French Navy's 1st Parachute Regiment.

Although he stayed in Rwanda only for a brief period, he said, "I assume that the training continued."

In February, six Rwandans brought charges of "complicity in a genocide" against the French military at the Army Tribunal in Paris.

In a speech last year commemorating the 10th anniversary of the genocide, Kagame, a Tutsi, accused France of complicity in the genocide, saying the French "consciously trained and armed" Rwandan soldiers and militias and "knew they were going to perpetrate a genocide." The French Foreign Ministry called the accusations "grave and contrary to the truth."

Kagame led the Rwandan Patriotic Front rebels who overthrew the Hutu extremist regime and ended the genocide.

PARIS A former French soldier said Friday that he saw French troops training Rwandan militias in 1992, two years before those same civilian militias took a leading role in a genocide in the tiny central African country.

Rwandan officials, including President Paul Kagame, have long accused France of training the militias that helped carry out the 1994 slaughter of about 500,000 people, most of them from the country's Tutsi minority. The genocide was orchestrated by a government of extremists from Rwanda's Hutu majority.

The French government, which had close ties with the extremist government, has denied training Rwandan civilians, and the Defense Ministry refused to comment Friday on the allegations made by Thierry Prungnaud, a former noncommissioned officer in the French Army.

"In 1992, I saw French military members training Rwandan civilian militias to shoot a gun," Prungnaud told France Culture radio. He said he had been sent to Rwanda that year to train the presidential guard
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/04/22/news/rwanda.php

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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Liberal lmao oh boy not that old chestnut.You will have to do better than name calling.

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I called you a lib because you SOUND like one based on MY observation,not an insult.

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The atomic bomb being dropped once was the biggest criminal act ever,to do it twice was inhumane. Who would you fear someone who has never dropped the bomb or some sick fuck who had used it twice?

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THAT my friend was NOT an easy choice,or even a GOOD one,but it was NECESSARY or casualties would've been much LARGER!

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America didn't join the fight in Europe till it was almost over, you can thank the Russians for the massive sacrifice they made that Europe wasn't ove-run.
That and the fact that Hitler didn't learn from Napoleon.The Americans like to think they won the war but to be honest THEY DIDN'T !

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Not by themselves,but with Britain and Russia's help they did.

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So what you're saying is that it's ok to attack children because you may kill a few terrorists?

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Didn't I mention droppin' leaflets TWICE?! Why do you not address that? And FURTHERMORE SHOW me where I advocate killin' children and STOP TWISTIN' MY WORDS!

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And bombing funerals now thats so fucking right isn't it?

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I must've MISSED that one!

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Please try to get your head out of the bodily orifice it presently occupies.

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CHEAP SHOT for someone who DESPARATELY wants to cling to his belief when he loses an argument!:rolleyes:

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You hate Jews, hate america, Hate Bush... it clouds your judgement.

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My thoughts EXACTLY! He NEVER considers what Israel's goin' through!

Mark Thanks............ we do see eye to eye on many issues.

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I believe you are completely mad if you think you can in any way justify the murder of any civilians.

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This is the THIRD time I'm addressin'this Israel dropped leaflets,made phone calls and got on TV and radio to WARN the citizens to EVACUATE!
How can you sit there and call it justification of murderin' citizens! ANSWER THAT ONE!:mad: There are TWO reasons why they're bein' killed,ONE some of them are not listenin' and PROBABLY LOYAL to these SICK fanatics! The OTHER reason bein' they're bein' held HOSTAGE and told they woyld be SHOT if they tried to escape! You just don't consider that do you! WHY do you defend the ENEMY and not Israel? HM?!

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I called you a lib because you SOUND like one based on MY observation,not an insult.:

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No political affiliations, my last vote went to The Monster Raving Loony Party.:thumbsup:

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Not by themselves,but with Britain and Russia's help they did.

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Hitler pretty much defeated himself by attacking Russia in winter time , the same mistake Napoleon made.:confused: But prior to that the only place defending Europe was GB. :dance:
The Americans joined the fight in Europe when their goverment saw lots of weapon "SALES" and profit.:mad:

Thats why they didn't intervene in Rhwanda remember,, no money to be made.:mad: :mad:

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CHEAP SHOT for someone who DESPARATELY wants to cling to his belief when he loses an argument!:rolleyes:

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Simply suggesting that your view of the world is somewhat out of focus and putting forward my theory as to why that might be. :D
Not losing anything since I am simply putting an opinion, that IMO you are blind to anything but the propoganda BS of you're own media and beliefs.

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Mark Thanks............ we do see eye to eye on many issues.

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:thumbsup: ANYTIME!

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No political affiliations, my last vote went to The Monster Raving Loony Party.:thumbsup:

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Sounds like you voted for Flip-Flop Kerry!

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Hitler pretty much defeated himself by attacking Russia in winter time , the same mistake Napoleon made.:confused:

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NOW I'm startin' to agree wit'cha!:thumbsup:

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Guess who was behind THAT one! The ILLUMINATI!

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Thats why they didn't intervene in Rhwanda remember,, no money to be made.:mad: :mad:

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I can understand this,they're POOR! Thanks to the didctatorship and the ILLUMINATI AGENTS who put'em in power! If it were ME,I'd encourage the people to rise up and kill the dictators and liberate the poor and encourage the new CAPITALIST REPUBLIC government to grow hemp to replace the oil and corruption. HEMP FOR VICTORY!

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Simply suggesting that your view of the world is somewhat out of focus and putting forward my theory as to why that might be. :D
Not losing anything since I am simply putting an opinion, that IMO you are blind to anything but the propoganda BS of you're own media and beliefs.

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What,Fox News? I'll admit I listen to Newsradio 790 WNIS www.wnis.com You'll see the lineup at the top on Mon.-Fri. MY favorite is funnyman Tony Macrini! The rest are O.K. but not as good as he. Macrini's mornin' news team come on at 6-10 AM Eastern Time Mon.-Fri.Believe me he's HILARIOUS!

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I hope those planes carpet bombs you and your family you red neck

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Howdy paparose,

Dang...I guess ya don't like my idea's,huh ? I'm just stating an obvious and productive,addition to the strategy and tactics,being employed to root out hezbollah,that the Israeli Air Force,doesn't have at this time. This would also be a great opportunity,to test out smart mines on hezbollah, and smart cluster-bomblets too.

You see...there's a given in this conflict..the arab world won't rest until Israel is destroyed. Period. I reckon that alot of europe,feels the same way..the Jews will not allow themselves to be slaughtered(again),no matter how much you feel that they should or that they deserve it,if all else fails,then Israel will exercise the Samson Option..mutual assured destruction..the nukes will start flying. For instance,if 100,000 iranian troops,begin to invade Israel,Israel will more than likely have to start using tac-nukes on em,because they don't have B-52's,A-10's and enuff AC-130 gunships.

Have a good one ...

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Howdy paparose,

Dang...I guess ya don't like my idea's,huh ? I'm just stating an obvious and productive,addition to the strategy and tactics,being employed to root out hezbollah,that the Israeli Air Force,doesn't have at this time. This would also be a great opportunity,to test out smart mines on hezbollah, and smart cluster-bomblets too.

You see...there's a given in this conflict..the arab world won't rest until Israel is destroyed. Period. I reckon that alot of europe,feels the same way..the Jews will not allow themselves to be slaughtered(again),no matter how much you feel that they should or that they deserve it,if all else fails,then Israel will exercise the Samson Option..mutual assured destruction..the nukes will start flying. For instance,if 100,000 iranian troops,begin to invade Israel,Israel will more than likely have to start using tac-nukes on em,because they don't have B-52's,A-10's and enuff AC-130 gunships.

Have a good one ...

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Torog....................My Family would fight to the death defending your family... Thats what Americans Do.

Paperose is a fuck stain on my sheets.............


Piss, GS, Paper, Rest of the left wing nut jobs..........go to lebanon and fight for hezbullah..........you love them so much.

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Howdy paparose,

You see...there's a given in this conflict..the arab world won't rest until Israel is destroyed. if all else fails,then Israel will exercise the Samson Option..mutual assured destruction..the nukes will start flying. For instance,if 100,000 iranian troops,begin to invade Israel,Israel will more than likely have to start using tac-nukes on em,because they don't have B-52's,A-10's and enuff AC-130 gunships.

Have a good one ...

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Ya make good points there Torog!

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Originally Posted by Mark Bryan

Ya make good points there Torog!

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like usual.............

All I can say is FUCK ISRAEL. I find that while I disagree with what Hezbollah does in the way of attacking, kidnapping and other terrorist activities, I am silently rooting for them. While America spends BILLIONS of dollars and THOUSANDS of lives to build a democracy in Iraq, they are standing by and supporting Israel to OBLITERATE a moderate, pro-US/pro-Western democracy. Americans should be ashamed for being led by the nose by these nutty zionists.

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Originally Posted by psychocat

I can tell you that that there are so many similarities between the Milosevic regime and the regime in Isreal. Both have intention of ethnically cleansing their Mulsim population either through military or economic means.

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Where do you get your information? Hezbollah wants to wipe out Israel. They have stated so. Israel in no way has stated or shown by its actions it wants to wipe out Muslims.

I have not read every post in this thread, but all of you bitching about Israel do you realize that Hezbollah started this war. Israel has every right to fight back I support Israel, and I support the supplying of Israel with weapons. I hope that they kill as many terrorists as they can and teach people like Hezbollah that if they fuck with us there gonna get the balls cut off and rammed up their ass so the next time they shit they'll be shitting all over their balls.

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Originally Posted by KNVB

All I can say is FUCK ISRAEL. I find that while I disagree with what Hezbollah does in the way of attacking, kidnapping and other terrorist activities, I am silently rooting for them. While America spends BILLIONS of dollars and THOUSANDS of lives to build a democracy in Iraq, they are standing by and supporting Israel to OBLITERATE a moderate, pro-US/pro-Western democracy. Americans should be ashamed for being led by the nose by these nutty zionists.

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You're rootin' for people who want to cut your head off! How SUICIDAL is that? Yes there are lebanese christians who are pro western AND pro Judah! But the HEZBALLSWEATERS are DICKLESS NUTSQUIRTS who are usin their own people as human shields! THAT'S why innocent people are dyin'NOT Judah's military! You rouse up a lion,he's gonna RISE UP and FIGHT BACK! Let's see YOU poke a stick in a young lion and see what he does! HE'LL RIP YOU TO SHREDS AND SHIT YOU OUT YOU ANTISEMITIC GLAZED UP CINNAMON ROLL!

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Originally Posted by LegallyBlind

I have not read every post in this thread, but all of you bitching about Israel do you realize that Hezbollah started this war. Israel has every right to fight back I support Israel, and I support the supplying of Israel with weapons. I hope that they kill as many terrorists as they can and teach people like Hezbollah that if they fuck with us there gonna get the balls cut off and rammed up their ass so the next time they shit they'll be shitting all over their balls.

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I'M WITH YOU DUDE!:thumbsup: Judah is like a LION'S WHELP! His hand shall be on the neck of his enemies! Like a lion,he crouches down (lays low) WHO shall ROUSE HIM UP? Genesis;49:9 is indeed happenin' as of late and Hezballah (canaanites?)has been scratched up bad by the great (BLUE) Lion Pharez/Judah (Israel) Zarah (his twin brother) is the RED lion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:F...rn_Ireland.svg Notice the star of David and the crown on top!

Religious nuts of all persuasions are the problem, whatever thier religion may be.
IMO Bush and his obsessiom with a "Christian country" are as mad as the suicide bombers you talk of.

Jake you are a Brain washed Socialist........

Iran, Is arming, Funding, recruiting, supplying, hezbullah............. you wont see the other side Cause you are Brain DEAD............Commie, that Hates Bush so Bad you hate America. KInda Pisses me off.


Just go Mod your site...........

America has to realise that by taking sides they are always going to make an enemy of someone,I believe America wants to see itself as the saviour of the world but maybe we don't all want to be American.
I believe also that past interference by the US has led us to where we are today, the Taliban weren't always the enemy and at one point the US even aided Saddam Hussain. In my eyes America has shown itself to be a very fickle freind and I certainly don't trust your goverment or it's far right Christian views.
Somebody needs to save us from the pompous arrogant morons that believe diversity is a bad thing.
A man who believes force is the only option in't much of a diplomat.

I have one question , since when did might = right?
Just because America has the biggest gun doesn't give it the right to tell others how to live.

PC, yes and at a 4 way stop, the one with the biggest truck goes first.

You are starting to see the light....................:)

America supplying or not supplying arms to Israel is not going to make a difference.

Not only does Israel produce its own assault rifle (the Galil) and other infantry weapons such as the Uzi machine-pistol, but its own MBT, the rather characteristic Merkavah. There's also the Kfir multi-purpose jet aircraft.

Most of the US-made hardware you see is superannuated stuff like the M-109 armoured howitzer and the M-113 APC.

There's three things I got out of this war.

1) Israel needs new thinking... sending overwhelming force in response to a small incursion lets its enemies know they can tap into that at any time and gain political, if not tactical, advantage.

2) Hezbollah will become less militant once it gains acceptance as a political presence in Lebanon.

3) Iran earned a draw in this war.

As for arms dealing, it's not like the U.S. government can or will count guns and bullets. Like drugs, there's a highly profitable black market in arms dealing.

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Originally Posted by Jake Martinez

It's not our business.
It's not our war.
It's not our place to sell weapons to either side.

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As far as George Washington sayin' we shouldn't be involved in foreign entanglements is concerned,you have a point,BUT,now that we ARE involved,without our help,Israel would be annihilated.