Too bad they couldn't finish the job. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by juggalo420
I did take him into consideration, but he didn't die, so it doesn't matter if they tried or not.
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Too bad they couldn't finish the job. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by juggalo420
I did take him into consideration, but he didn't die, so it doesn't matter if they tried or not.
I also find it hilarious that you called liberalism a disease.
Please, go back to your farm in the middle of nowhere, practice your strict construction of your Bible, continue preaching, and forget about the internet and most modern forms of technology.
If you didn't know, liberals want CHANGE. Conservatives don't, they want things to stay the same for the most part (and are all for religion and anything religion related, etc). Back in the 20-30s, conservatives didn't want all the liberal changes, such as women's new role in society (individuals, rather than speak when spoken too, stay at the home, and to not work). Also, they didn't believe in most the changes being created, and didn't like the city life.
Please never use the internet again.
and the usa says FUCK YOU RIGHT BACK at least i do for it.!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mellow mood
yaw blame the usa for shit that gets started and we try to help
yes bush is fucking moron,looks out for the rich and fucks the poor
that is unless your here from mexico illegally then he wants make you a citezen and get ya support,wtf is up with that THEY are ILLEGALS and the law says they should be kicked out and kept out untill the immigrate legally
but NOOOOOOOOOOOO mr bush needs another % of support so he does that.
yaw think everyone in the usa is like that,your dead wrong
i do support the taking the war to them polocy since im a infidel and they want to cut off my head for some god??alla or who ever
but people like me have no say so here,we have no political clout cuase money talks and the poor man aint heard of,
but dont assume all americans are starchy ass pricks like the bush crew
i can see why some support him,those with money want to keep it and they know mr bush will help them with tax breaks while he makes the poverty level people work thier asses off ,asking ya if ya want fries with that
so in 4 years from today
his ass is gone
and i for one hope the next fucker to sit in that seat has a heart.
peace
be better off without alot of things but america aint one of themQuote:
Originally Posted by BuD MaN
as far as saddam not doing anything
your a fucking idiot,he was a mass murder and ruled by killing anyone who went agianst him,so your saying that all those people he killed and tortured are nothing?
i dislike ol gwb with a passion but i love my country
someday it will really be a free nation governed by the people for the people
no other nation gives as much in money and risking of lives to premote the right to elections,religions,and speech.we come to the aid of any nation that ask for it,well almost dont think N korea is on the list,yet
no the usa aint some perfect place ,far from it
its so crowded with cultures from all over not like most nations of one or two peoples we have hundreds of peoples,from indians to chineese,
but its not out to rule the world,or it would be doing so now
i hate when people think all america is the same
thats just ignorance
Of course bush likes illegal immigrants. Its better to pay hard workers less than minimum wage. It makes his corporate interests more money. Its okay that working Americans must compete for lower wages. DIE BUSH DIE
This is what eventually will happen. Foreigners and outsourcing of jobs will make all Americans band together, grab their guns, form a guerrilla combat team, and another revolution will take place. I hope I am not to old to kill some foreign invaders.
I would like to add my comment to this thread but I am not thinking exceptionally clear due to the NHL lockout.
I care much more about hockey than I do anything else. (although the previous statement might have been caused by irrational thought caused by lack of viewing professional hockey). If George W decided to buy a hockey team and get the NHL going again I don't see how that can be bad thing.
I am no Bush supporter, but if you think Saddam Hussein is an inocent man then you need to get dropkicked in the face.Quote:
Originally Posted by PurplePotatoes
Eh, not innocent on everything he does, but there is definitely no WMD's.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawleaf
I am sick and tired of Americans spouting bullshit about how Bush went to Iraq to save the Iraqis who were suffering under Saddam Hussein's violent rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by NowhereMan
Did the US do anything to stop Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia?
Did the US do anything to stop what happened in Rwanda?
Did the US do anything to stop what's going on in Sudan? (Do any of you have any idea of where that even is?)
Did the US do anything to stop Stalin from killing millions and millions of his own citizens?
Did the US do anything to stop Kim Jong Il from destroying his own people?
The answer is a big fat NO to all of those. I thought the US wanted to promote freedom and democracy and all that other bullshit they talk about... Well it ain't gonna happen unless they got ANOTHER reason to go and invade a country.
Do you really think all of a sudden the president grew a conscience and decided to help the poor Iraqis? If you do, wake up and smell the bush cause you're in for a rude awakening.
Yo Flesh,
you're a Hab, I woulda figured I'd get some support from you on George W's agenda for getting the NHL going again, eh.
Ken the PotHead
lol :DQuote:
Originally Posted by KennabisCranium
Yeah, I'm desperate for some NHL action, I'm a big Habs fan, as you guessed.
If Bush wants to buy a Hockey team, that's fine by me, as long as he's not president of the US anymore. Hell, I'm sure he'd be better than Bettman!
well listen buttwipeQuote:
Originally Posted by F L E S H
we gotta start somewhere ..so now you saying we should have invaded all them places >?wtf then you just whine your ass off about that saying we taken over the world.our troops are dying for assholes like you in fact i wished they would just PULL OUT OF ALL YAWS LIL MESSES AND LEAVE YA ROT, dont come crying to the usa when you have a regime up your ass
THAT BETTER?
we dont need you as much as you think
people can learn to do without the oil and gas,in time
but ya see the rich need to drive humvies in LA and NYC
and they in fact have more say so than anyone
i didnt say it was the ONLY REASON.just a good one,saddam was a sadistic bitch and he needsa his head cut the hell off,
saddam needed his sick ass taken the fuck out and he pushed the wrong butons and got it done
so if you think the usa should have left iraq to one day invade and kill off its enemies/nieghbors then
fuck you,
those who will one day have a chioce in who runs thier country would tell you the same,sure the hardcore murdering shitheads will say its all about oil
but its not,im still paying $2 a gallon and my ass dont care if any WMD was found ,any nation to want my nation destroyed ,SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE WISE,and mister ill be the first to defend the innocent,
but the usa is not out to take over anything
if it wanted it,it would have it,who would stop it,?
russia ? china? mexico.,?
maybe canada?
i dont support bush,in fact cant stand his ass
but bush IS NOT AMERICA
4 yrs he is gone
4 yrs from today in fact
so all the anti american shit pukes me
we try at least wtf has your nation did for anyone ever
lets see the list mr smartass
how much does yours spend on other nations safety,even when it hurts your own?
if america would pull out of the national scene the world would be at war.
we in fact stand between so many that would kill each other over religions
shit look at the gaza strip mess .....they want to just exterminate each other over GOD
fuk im waisting my time with you so hell with it
better than Bettman, THAT is fuckin' funny!!!!!!!!!
NowhereMan, really, no need for all the insults.
But my point is that the reason you give, wanting to stop Saddam, is not a valid reason at all, it's a smoke screen, a sham, public relations, and I'm afraid you've fallen for it, as have many Americans. I speak in all honesty when I say I'm NOT anti-American, I love the States, the American culture, hell, New York is the greatest city in the world if you ask me, it's just that your government has been lying to you and manipulating you for a long long time, and even more ever since Bush came in.
The rhetoric of 'freedom and democracy' would be valid, if only the US tried to apply it everywhere, not just Iraq. Let's look back at how this whole thing started, shall we? 9-11 happened, and the hunt for Bin Laden is on, the US and many other countries (including Canada) send forces into Afghanistan to root out the Taliban, the government which is supporting Bin Laden. Well, it worked to a certin degree, the Taliban was ousted, a new 'democratic' government runs Afghanistan, but we still didn't find Bin Laden. Then, FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER, the talk shifts to Iraq. No one ever mentions the atrocities of Saddam against his people, only that he's hiding WMDs and hiding Bin Laden, even though it was a well-established fact the he and Bin Laden had no relationship whatsoever.
It's called a diversion. Shift the attention of the people in one direction, so that they don't see what's going on the other side. Sort of like when some goes, "hey! look over there!" and then runs away.
I will say that Saddam Hussein was a monster of a man, that is not in question. But just sit down a minute and think for yourself, don't listen to the media (mouthpieces for the government, all of them). Why so gung-ho about Saddam, when so many other governments have done the same, if not worse, to their people, yet there was no action on the part of Americans to help anyone? I think it's because there's nothing worthwhile economically for the US in Cambodia, it's mostly jungle. There's nothing worthwhile economically in the Sudan or Rwanda, it's in Africa (nobody cares about Africans, there not as evolved as us, right?) (I won't say anything about Stalin because American policy in the 30s was different than today's, also the US was busy trying to build its own empire in central America to compete with the British and French.)
Stop repeating what the media is telling you, and think for yourself. You don't need any sort of special knowledge, the facts are hidden there all along, just remember the chronology of events, and you'll see it makes no sense at all.
(sorry for double post)
Oh, and another thing, what did Canada ever do for anybody?
Let's see, my personal favorite is the War of 1812, when Americans try to invade but fail miserably. How about WW1, we were there from the beginning, and we fought at key battles, Canadian troops were world-renowned for their toughness and courage (read a non-American history book, you might find out more). We fought in WW2, again from the very beginning, and our troops were vital in the invasions, such as D-Day and the re-taking of Italy. Our prime-minister negotiated a peace treaty at the end of the Suez Canal crisis on 1956 and averted what could have been another big war, and won a Nobel Peace Prize for it (Lester B. Pearson). We are a country loved and respected around the world for our peace keeping efforts since then, in such places as Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda. There's a lot more, but that's what I can think of off the top of my head.
Canada has done a lot, it's just that Americans don't know about it, or pretend not to know....
yes, be nice to the canucks.
They're our neighbors to the north, eh.
they got really good beer, eh.
they play great sports, eh (hockey, lacrosse, barrel jumping)
they got very potent mj in BC, eh.
did I mention great beer, eh.
I've been to most of the 11 Provinces up in Canada (no Yukon or Nova Scotia yet). take off you yankee hosers who don't know 'boot The Great White North, eh.
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Originally Posted by F L E S H
oh i thank the canadians for all the done for the ALLIES
just wanted to see if you had a piont of view on that
and i will apologize for my crankyness
just dont knock america becuase bush bought a election
the real facts are plian
i wanted saddam out of the worlds hiar so to speak
now that he is i want our troops home,
i for one would say let them fend for thier self
im sure bush has more on his agenda,
but that aint all of the usa and you seem on the usa bashing wagon to me
excuse me if im wrong but i aint no bush supporter,far from it
just a american supporter
tired of being called brianwashed sheep
i aint one,i dont believe cnn,or the bbc
i am gratefull of the way canada has acted in past conflicts
so many died in wars to date its uncountable
we lost men in somalia over bill pussyface clintons inactions
have no idea why them assholes would let any nation suffer thru shit like warlords and druglords,i hate what the usa does in columbia,ect
we cant free the world ,
we dont even try to but we will come to any nations rescue that ask us
and yes the usa was ask by Kuwiat? in gulf war
and this war is to me the same dam one
unfinished bizz,should have taken him out then and there
agian im no big bad flag waving america does no wrong type
far from it
i just know the heart of the usa people is in right place and the money the powermongers have do all the polocy making,not our hearts.
we agree on many things ,
and i like to invoke responses ,agian sorry for my harsh ness
i'm so used to talking to idiots ,that i lose track of my perspective
you seem very educated and as if you really care and for that i will say
thanks,but dont put the usa people down,we are stuck with a ruling class of assholes who think their shit dont stink,
peace to you and yours
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Originally Posted by F L E S H
The problem with both the Taliban and Saddam was that they are former allies of the US , the CIA had a hand in helping the taliban, and the Baath party which in essence was Saddam also recieved "help" from the US.
Why did Saddam Husseinâ??s regime collapse without a fight?
Bush topples an old U.S. ally
April 18, 2003 | Page 8
ONLY TWO weeks after Iraqi resistance to the U.S. invasion became a source of pride for people across the Middle East, the Iraqi regime collapsed--seemingly overnight. "We are all in shock. How did things come to such an end?...Where is the resistance? This collapse is puzzling â?¦How come Baghdad falls so easily," asked Abu Dhabi Television correspondent Shaker Hamed. In Iraq, it appeared that thousands of soldiers and even Republican Guards--supposedly the bulwark of Saddam Husseinâ??s power--deserted.
Why did the Iraqi state--after confounding George W. Bushâ??s advisersâ?? predictions of a U.S. "cakewalk" in the first weeks of the war--collapse? As LANCE SELFA and PAUL Dâ??AMATO show, the answers to this question lie in the Iraqi regime and its history of repression at home and collaboration with imperialism abroad.
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THE MODERN Iraqi state emerged from a revolution against the British-imposed monarchy in 1958. The 1958 revolution was part of the nationalist, anti-imperialist fervor that swept the Middle East following Gamel Abdel Nasserâ??s nationalist military coup against the British-backed monarchy in Egypt in 1952.
An Iraqi coup led by officer Abdel Kareem Qasim unleashed a wave of popular struggle from below in 1958. Peasants seized large landholdings. Workers went on strike. The Communist Party (CP) emerged from illegality to dominate the leadership of the workersâ??, peasantsâ?? and studentsâ?? movements and held large-scale influence in the military.
Qasim proclaimed a republic, kicked out British military bases and announced Iraqâ??s alignment with the Eastern bloc in the Cold War. The new government decreed a wide-ranging land reform. It even granted autonomy to the Kurds.
As the second major nationalist leader in the Middle East, Qasim posed a challenge to Nasser and his followers. Qasimâ??s government rested on an unstable alliance between communists, nationalists and Nasserites. These factional battles led Qasim first to lurch to the left, issuing decrees the communists supported, and then to lurch to the right, attacking the Kurds in the north. Nasserâ??s supporters in the Iraqi army blocked with the Baath Party to form a conservative nationalist opposition to Qasim.
The Baath Party, formed in 1947 in Syria, stood for developing a single Arab nation from among the collection of states Western imperialism had created after the First World War. To accomplish this, they supported a one-party authoritarian state that would subjugate all conflicting social, class and political interests to the will of the "nation." Because of their anti-communism and opposition to Qasim, the Baathists won covert support from the CIA.
In 1963, the Baathists and other nationalist military officers overthrew and killed Qasim. The CIA supplied lists of communists to the Baath security apparatus--whose chief operative was Saddam Hussein--which used them to liquidate the leaders of the CP, the trade unions and other social organizations.
Building up support in the military and the security apparatus, the Baathists felt strong enough to eliminate most of their remaining coalition partners in 1968, establishing a Baathist dictatorship.
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AS SECOND in command of the Baath Party and vice president of the governing Revolutionary Command Council, Saddam Hussein built up the security forces that became the real power in the Iraqi government. Through state terror, the Baathists established control over every social and political organization in the country--from sports clubs to political parties.
With the backing of U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, Kurdish groups allied with Iraqâ??s regional competitor, Iran, rose up against the dictatorship in 1974. In response, Saddam and the Shah of Iran announced a 1975 agreement that settled border disputes between Iraq and Iran and severed Iranâ??s link to the Kurds. The U.S. tossed the Kurds overboard.
The Iranian revolution that overthrew the Shah in 1979 raised a new challenge to the Iraqi regime. The defeat of the Shahâ??s tyranny appealed to Iraqis--the majority of whom, like Iranians, follow the Shia branch of Islam.
For the next decade, Saddam, who became the countryâ??s president in 1979, concentrated on containing the Islamist "threat" from Iran. In this task, he found a willing ally in Washington, where the loss of the Shah presented a great foreign policy crisis.
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source http://www.socialistworker.org/2003-...Collapse.shtml
Diplomacy is hard, war is easy.Quote:
we gotta start somewhere ..so now you saying we should have invaded all them places >?wtf then you just whine your ass off about that saying we taken over the world.our troops are dying for assholes like you in fact i wished they would just PULL OUT OF ALL YAWS LIL MESSES AND LEAVE YA ROT, dont come crying to the usa when you have a regime up your ass
Do you know how many democratic governments the US has helped overthrow?Quote:
so all the anti american shit pukes me
we try at least wtf has your nation did for anyone ever
Did you know that Bush gave the Taliban $43 million for halting growth of opium poppies? That didn't stop them from producing heroin however.
I still feel that there is something very odd about the 9/11, for those of you who think there is no such thing as corporate/government conspiracies, read a history book. Not the one you got from school. The Emperor Wears No Clothes (look at my signature) explains the huge conspiracy for prohibiting marijuana.
Oh, and the reseaon that I "hate" america (I am American) and cannot wait to leave this country is essentially because it seems the citizens are either apathetic, stupid or ignorant. There are two mainstream political parties, both of which are corrupt, nobody pays attention to current events to the extent of say, looking at what foriegn news sources have to say because american media is full of shit, no one seems to care when USA PATRIOT ACT passes or when it even appears that any civil rights what so ever are being taken away for any reason, no cares that the war on drugs is a $33 billion waste of money and resources.
i love my country and will fight and defend it against all opinionated faggot enemies. but bush didn't go after the terrorists, he went after his own adgenda. he's a liar and a dumbass and he's got you fooled. There are 100's of other tyrannical governments who actually threaten us with nukes. How come we don't go after them too? Could it be because they don't have any oil?
Howdy Nullific,Quote:
Originally Posted by Nullific
Americans ain't as bad as you think they are and you should have more faith in them-to do the right thing. Americans do care about their country and other countries,more so than anyone else..sometimes to a fault.
I f you don't like the American ideal,that all folks deserve Freedom..then maybe being an American-ain't for you. Perhaps,you are of the ilk,that thinks-"I've got my freedom-screw everyone else" ?
America,is the "Shining City on the Hill",we are a beacon of hope-for billions through-out the world..if standing for Liberty and Justice for all-ain't your cup of tea-then by all means..denounce your American citizenship and go huntin for the socialist utopia,that you so crave.
There are several Canadian Immigration workshops in the US,for those Americans like you. In no time at all,you'll find yourself on bended knee..pledging allegiance to the Queen..and spend the rest of your days-kissing her royal behind.
America--Love it ..or leave it !
Have a good one...Torog
The whole point of freedom is the right to choose yet the US has shown contempt for the democratic process on more than one occassion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Support for Pinochet against a duly appointed democratically chosen "communist" leader.
The idea that "communists" are evil is ridiculous , the paranoia shown in it's dealings with anyone who does not conform to the american ideal is insane and the propoganda machine goes haywire , what is americas obsession with "enemies"??
It seems to me if you don't agree with a yank you MUST be his or her enemy ???????? WTF ??
Another point I have noticed is the inability to argue their point leads to an attempt to ridicule or to discredit those with an opposite view.
The level of ineptitude in dealing with home problems (enron / microsofts monopoly) (pharmaceutical rip offs) should be your main concern .
This whole war on terror is just a big smoke screen.
Howdy psychocat,Quote:
Originally Posted by psychocat
The point is,is that Freedom ain't free--and there are always enemies of Freedom..if you don't agree that everyone deserves Freedom-where does that put you ?
Neither I nor anyone else,has ever claimed that America is perfect..however,I do believe that Americans can solve the problems we have-and continue to liberate folks from tryanny. Despite the best efforts of Man-the flames of Freedom,continue to burn brightly and un-tamed..at some point,all folks yearn for Freedom..and if it be God's Will-then by God-we will free those who are oppressed..and no darkness will extinguish the flames of Freedom.
Now is the time-for all good men--to stand against the darkness of tryanny-and extinguish the darkness of tyranny...will you harken to the call ?
Or will you sit comfortably in your home,taking your Fredom for granted..until they finally come for you ?
Have a good one...Torog
The rhetoric does not impress , it just convinces me that you are a fanatic who refuses to address the issues I raised and you have done exactly what I expected you to.
I believe in freedom but freedom means the freedom to tell the US to fuck off and mind its own business,,,,, or not???
Theres such a thing as sticking you're nose in where it isn't wanted , the US goverment has absolutely no right to tell another country how to do things , the "World Police" is how the US sees itself but they aren't.
Dictating to someone else (even for their own good (if you believe the bullshit propaganda)) is not promoting freedom , it's like saying you can do what you wish as long as it fits my ideals and sod what you really want.
Not everyone in this world wishes to be american , contrary to what you seem to believe some of us prefer our own countries , we don't all want to be like the US , we don't all think it is the massive success you seem to think it is , and many of us believe you should stop interfering in shit that has nothing to do with you ,and many find the US ideal nothing more than bull.
This whole "enemy" bull , I still think the paranoia is out of control.
Every day I thank god I don't live in the "good old USA".
Freedom? Did I not mention the USA PATRIOT ACT?
I think Team America: World Police best described our government with "AMERICA...FUCK YEAH!" and I also believe this is the idealogy Torog holds so deeply, which is sad.
So I don't like how this "free country" is being operated, I suppose instead of voicing my opinions as an America I should simply vanish with my thoughts so as not to interfere with Bush's master plan eh?Quote:
I f you don't like the American ideal,that all folks deserve Freedom..then maybe being an American-ain't for you.
I don't care what happened on 9/11, I don't give a fuck whether we went to Iraq for oil or to "liberate the people", I don't care about any potential "terrorist" threats to America...all that bullshit aside, anybody who says:
"There ought to be limits... there ought to be limits...there ought to be limits to ahh, to freedom."
SHOULD NOT BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES...PERIOD.
True, the WMD was just a lame excuse for Bush to roll into Iraq. But Saddam did gas his own people and have thousands killed and buried in mass graves.Quote:
Originally Posted by PurplePotatoes
That's true Sawleaf, and for that getting rid of Saddam was good, I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawleaf
But like I said in another post, there were so many horrible in the world and so many horrible and bloody civil conflicts, but the US didn't do anything about them. There was Pol Pot in Cambodia, I don't remember any air strikes ordered against him (I use this example a lot because my girlfriend's family used to live there, but managed to escape to Canada in 1981, I believe). There is currently a very deadly war going in Sudan right now. North Korea is a virtual prison state.
This is my problem Torog, and I'm sure a lot of people's problems.
"Americans ain't as bad as you think they are and you should have more faith in them-to do the right thing. Americans do care about their country and other countries,more so than anyone else..sometimes to a fault."
When will you understand that America doesn't give a flying fuck about people? When will you notice that only people you're trying to 'liberate' are the people in the Middle-East? There are bad dictators all around the world, yet Bush probably can't even pronounce their names because they don't have valuable resources that you could use.
Hmmm... Is it a coincidence that Iraq has one of the largest oil reserves in the world? Probably not, right?
With you 100% there dude.
Well I believe the US does care about people, but just not enough to justify spending government money without getting something back in return. It is sad, but we are pretty much a selective ally. Give us something in return and we will help you out.Quote:
Originally Posted by F L E S H
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Originally Posted by psychocat
uphold us to ideas of what you think we should be and call us lacking in action
a old saying comes to mind
"you dont know your ass from a hole in the ground"
I think you're almost right... It's more like "You have something we want, we will therefore create a problem, get rid of, and take control."Quote:
Originally Posted by sawleaf
(sorry for double post again :D)
Are Americans really concerned with democracy and freedom? Well, tell me this. How many Americans know what happened in the Ukraine a few months ago? What sort of media coverage did that get in the US?
I'm not gonna go into specifics, cause if you don't know, find out for yourself. Suffice to say that if the US does indeed care for democracy and freedom all over the world, they would have certainly made some public remarks about the situation, yet I didn't hear about anything.
And this is supposed to convince me of my errors in thinking???Quote:
Originally Posted by NowhereMan
You have actualy confirmed what I said about name calling and attempts to ridicule in an effort to avoid addressing the issues I raised.
I love it when people do exactly what I expected.
As for what I think of what the US should be , it should be more interested in sorting out the homeland instead of messing in the politics of others. Simple!
What GREAT freedoms do we americans have?
Not a muthafuckin thing, everyday some bullshti republican law is being passed to further surpress our freedom. how can a weed smoker like you torog be so conservative and bush-loving?
Cause he doesn't know that (gasp!) smoking weed funds terrorists!
Torog his mentioned having back-pain and that his wife is liberal, so my theory is that he probably thought marijuana was for tree hugging liberals until he started having back pains and was introduced to it "medicinally" by his wife. Then ended up liking it it too much and thus uses the pain as justification to get high. Or maybe im wrong completely.
George Bush can invade any country he damn well feels like.
And I would be proud to carry out a violent drug induced guerrilla movement against the muslim world any day.
So bring it on you rag-headed motherfuckers.
And when you are in a sluggish sleep the muslims will dig deep so that they may have you begging for your life at the tips of there feet.