what are you talking about?.... Are you telling me that reality bites? I'm providing fodder for your arguement.
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what are you talking about?.... Are you telling me that reality bites? I'm providing fodder for your arguement.
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Originally Posted by LordSmaug
No.
Love Bites.
Love Bleeds.
It's taking me to my knees.
Love Lives.
Love Dies.
It's no surprise.
Love Begs.
Love pleads (?),
It's what I need.
If naming names contributes to the truth of an argument, then here is a list of several hundred biologists named Steve who endorse the theory of evolution:
http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/art..._2_16_2003.asp
Sorry Smaug, I wasn't very clear. The tag team was fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordSmaug
Not reference to you.
Basically, a little humor Poking around for Graymatter.
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It's cool Oneironaut. It was a good bout. thirteen rounds. Opponents shake hands. A message from our sponsors........Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
........It's Miller Time....... News at Ten.
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you're my new hero Oneironaut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
It's so good to hear anybody speaking such rationality
Wow good job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Hey, ironaut, you've got some brand new signs on's...Today! no less, Pals allready too!Quote:
Originally Posted by Empire
Where exactly did you find these references? Maybe these are just scientists who are christians by religion. Typically, when one is born into a religion, they believe their religion despite anything. Did all these people sign some pro-creation scientist petition? If so, i would say your source of "truth" is obviously and plainly biased.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordSmaug
This is called healthy skepticism. My point is that if these people are religious , they were most likely religious before they got their degree in whatever field they 're practicing in. Thus these "authorities" are most likely religiously biased, in some form or another.
on another note, i find it hypocracy when religious people deem marijuana the forbidden sinful fruit, yet many christians drink alcohol and smoke cigarettes. It's all political bullcrap, and most people can say whatever the hell they want to say , then put some religious statement in with their political statements to cater to the religious majority. It sounds really good when mr. preacher is saying "marijuana is sinful blahblah" , then throws in an enthusiastic "amen". Most preachers ought to be called con-artists.
jim jones was preaching that you had to drink magical punch to kill yourself , so you could ascend to heaven... he convinced people to go thorugh with this murdeorus plot on a massive scale. How did he do this? He was a perfect con artist. Con artists are usually charasmatic, they exploit personal weaknesses by manipulating peple in telling them what they want to hear (or what they dont want to hear)... ... jim jones used the same tactics as modern day preachers do.
A preacher looks really good when he is shouting and screaming the gospel of the good lord, while dictating to us how we should act, in a martin luther king jr. type fashion. However, if you turn down the shouting and silence his charisma, nobody will listen to him. People falling down with the "holy spirit" and "talking in tongues" are only deluding themselves. The "holy spirit" is an endorphine release in the brain.
Did you ever consider that the bible should not be considered literately? As it is in the Islamic view, the revelations of God occured over years and years; as the years passed, we had a better clue as to the true nature of God as he revealed himself and his will through prophets. As time goes on, we may assume that God's plan is always unfolding to us, revealing itself to us; and to take the bible in such literal terms could be considered ignorant and primitave. (I find this to be the best argument for Islam, because the Qur'an "links" and "clarifies" previous religions of judaism and christianity; all of which are monotheistic religions. )
end of essay.
seems to me were on the same page here, no its not a sin, in fact god calls the holy annointing oil (with cannabis as an ingredient) holy!Quote:
Originally Posted by bulletz144
I'm am a christian, and I believe that smoking marijuana is in fact a sin.
(Sorry I don't know actual verses but...) The bible says not impare your judgement or something of the like, which marijuana can and will do to most if not all people to some extent.
Also it says to treat your body as a temple, as mentioned earlier, so don't voluntarily take tar into the lungs. (or eat to much, or starve yourself, or excersise too much etc.)
Masturbation is considered adultry, it says in the bible that you commit adultry everyday with just your eyes (porno, thoughts about porno, thoughts about that chick at school or the office being in a porno) ...crazy eh?
But I also believe that sinning will definatly not keep you from entering heaven, as that is the reason that Jesus died on the cross in the first place....our sins.
That being said, I smoke my share of mary jane, I spank my monkey and even have pre-marital (<---is that the right spelling?) sex with my love (gf) and do many other things that if I wouldn't than I would probrably grow closer to God...
So, to sum it all up....Using Cannabis is a sin, sin will not directly make you go to hell.
So what you're saying is it's pretty much a sin to be human. Oh well, maybe the human race can be returned for a manufacturer's rebate. Wait a minute, it's the manufacturer who's complaining?!
Football of course, is a sin because it defiles a man to touch the skin of a pig. Unruly children should be put to death, and it's okay to sell your daughter into slavery. (<bible stuff) I always liked the one where God told the Israelites to go into Jericho and slaughter every man, woman, child, cattle, sheep, and--get this one, 'bash the babies head against the rocks." --real pro-life stuff there.
But it's all good as long as you go confess it to a pedifile priest who has the power to forgive you.
Most of the madness on the News today is coming, either directly or indirectly, from some type of religious hang-up. The pious have control of the governments and the world has gone stark raving mad. It's time we came up with a better way.
I've always thought that if man created the concept of good and bad, and what is good and what is bad, then that's just a large group of other people's opinions. I just do what I'm comfortable with.
If you believe in god like i do and really sit down and think about it i think everyone who believes will come to believe that Cannabis was put on the earth for a reason. I really do believe that for medical use and or recreational... If anyone has never had a spirtual talk about god while smoking or just chillen with a homie... theres nothing better than smoking a blunt and talking about the after life.... He gave this plant to us for a reason... take it as you wish.:thumbsup:
Well in a sense it is. Please read on before you say "wtf" If you believe in the Bible it says "Obey the laws of the land" so in a way we're breaking the law. But in another sense you have to read my signature about what God said about plants such as marijuana..I truly believe he was talking about flowering plants in general, not just marijuana. Also smoking it might not be so good but theres nothing wrong with eating it at all (besides breaking the law lol).
I totally. Disagree. :D o well Happy smoking.. :thumbsup:
What do you disagree with? What I posted or marijuana being a sin?Quote:
Originally Posted by DylanN89
its ok... we all have our opinons// :D lol... some peoples might be wrong and the others right.... ;) hahahah p3ac3...
no.................
that was very detailed :D lol
Has anyone yet mentioned the part about Jesus and his use of marijuana?
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Originally Posted by pauljb07
The Bible itself impairs judgement ffs!
Anyway...if using marijuana, either digested or inhaled is a sin...than Jesus himself was a sinner. And being as its widely accepted that Jesus was without sin...people are either hypocrites, or the man indeed had a sinful nature to him.
Can't have it both ways...either stop thinking of Jesus as being without sin...or accept that his use of marijuana clearly demonstrates that theres nothing sinful about marijuana use.
Take it a step further, those of you not believing that Jesus used marijuana...
'Potheads' are awfully anti-establishment in nature.
What was the thing that Jesus balked at? Even to the point of kicking over a coffer of full of money?
Think about it.
i read something a while ago, according to the pope WEED IS A SIN!!!!!!
BUT, lets not forget what else past popes have considered right.
burning the knights templar at the stake(the pope created them then killed them all)!!
slauhtering of muslims during both crusades
ignoring the holocaust because of secret dealings with mussolini.
i was born and raised a catholic, but lately ive been questioning many things, dont get me wrong i believe in god completely i just dont agree with just about everything the roman catholic church does and their general attitude towards everything.
Catholicism isn't as much a religion as it is a widespread cult.
More precisely...catholicism is a power base. A tool for influence and manipulation.
But nevermind that...go way way way back and find out just what sort of incense they used to burn during ceramonies.
That's because the establishment is currently anti-pothead in nature. I don't think there's sufficient evidence to conclude that if Jesus existed (and that's a pretty big if) he smoked marijuana. There isn't any reference to smoking marijuana in historical texts from that time in that region, especially not in the Gospels.Quote:
Originally Posted by slowthestone
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Originally Posted by Mark 8:1-9
I can only say...you've been looking for the wrong wording.
The name cannabis is generally thought to be of Scythian origin. Sula Benet in Cannabis and Culture argues that it has a much earlier origin in Semitic languages like Hebrew, occurring several times in the Old Testament. He states that in Exodus 30:23 that God commands Moses to make a holy anointing oil of myrrh, sweet cinnamon, kaneh bosm, and kassia. He continues that the word kaneh bosm is also rendered in the traditional Hebrew as kannabos or kannabus and that the root "kan" in this construction means "reed" or "hemp", while "bosm" means "aromatic". He states that in the earliest Greek translations of the old testament "kan" was rendered as "reed", leading to such erroneous English translations as "sweet calamus" (Exodus 30:23), sweet cane (Isaiah 43:24; Jeremiah 6:20) and "calamus" (Ezekiel 27:19; Song of Songs 4:14).
Perhaps you're familiar with the word 'shiva'.
btw...Jesus was a real person. Theres absolutely no disputing the fact that the man was here on Earth. Was he the son of christ though...that'd be the debate.
Either way, theres no getting around historical accounts of the period that had anyone whom was anointed, was done so with oil with cannabis as the key ingredient.
Then theres the mention of 'fragrant cane'...translated into the Hebrew Kaneh Bosum translated into English as...cannabis.
~sigh~...it won't much matter until records are unearthed indicating that Jesus had some sort of contact with marijuana. Right about then is when some serious denial on the part of many Christians would run rampant all over the globe.
And about current establishments being anti-pot and the pothead's reaction to such...establishments change...the effects of marijuana on people do not.
Hellz, even here in about as pot friendly an environment one can find...theres an undercurrent of anti-establishment. Potheads simply want to do things they want to do without outside interference.
All right, assuming this interpretation is correct, all it would prove is that some of the people who wrote the Old Testament were familiar with making oils from cannabis, not that anybody was smoking it back then, or that people in first-century Palestine would have been smoking it. Smoking weed is a relatively modern phenomenon.Quote:
Originally Posted by slowthestone
I have not been shown sufficient evidence that he did in fact exist. I've looked, and I'm certainly open to the idea that he might have existed, but I have been unable to find conclusive historical evidence on the matter.Quote:
btw...Jesus was a real person. Theres absolutely no disputing the fact that the man was here on Earth.
Son of Christ? I thought he was supposed to be Christ himself, and the Son of God.Quote:
Was he the son of christ though...that'd be the debate.
That's assuming that this kaneh-bosm thing really is cannabis. I've done a lot of studying of etymology, and in the field of historical linguistics there is a lot of uncertainty about this kind of thing. From what I can find, it probably is the case that the Scythian root "kanap" is the root of the Latin word "cannabis" and related words in European languages (English "hemp", Dutch "hennep", German "Hanf", French "chanvre", Spanish "cáñamo", Russian "konoplya", etc.), but there really isn't enough evidence to convince the linguistic community that it came ultimately from the Hebrew "kaneh-bosm". It may have, it may not have. When you're talking about languages that have been dead for millennia, it's hard to be sure.Quote:
Either way, theres no getting around historical accounts of the period that had anyone whom was anointed, was done so with oil with cannabis as the key ingredient.
Then theres the mention of 'fragrant cane'...translated into the Hebrew Kaneh Bosum translated into English as...cannabis.
I doubt such records will come up, considering the paucity of historical evidence on this Jesus character outside the Gospels in the first place. And even then, Christians are not exactly open to new historical documents about Jesus. Remember that whole Gospel of Judas conundrum? How many sects of Christianity do you think are going to start including that one in their Bibles?Quote:
~sigh~...it won't much matter until records are unearthed indicating that Jesus had some sort of contact with marijuana. Right about then is when some serious denial on the part of many Christians would run rampant all over the globe.
True, but I would argue that this is largely the result of the fact that cannabis has been forced into a subculture. The people who enjoy pot are the same people who have disregard for authority, simply because those who follow authority don't like to do illegal things. I don't think this undercurrent is nearly as strong in, say, Amsterdam, and if it exists there at all it is probably from foreign influences and the fact that cannabis is still largely restricted (although tolerated) there.Quote:
And about current establishments being anti-pot and the pothead's reaction to such...establishments change...the effects of marijuana on people do not.
Hellz, even here in about as pot friendly an environment one can find...theres an undercurrent of anti-establishment. Potheads simply want to do things they want to do without outside interference.
Ayy...that was a good read and a nice reply.
I'll only comment on that theres nothing new about marijuana use among humans. Look into how far back its use goes on the contenents of Asia and India for more on that.
Oh oh! And indeed its cloudy about Jesus as christ or as son of gOD.
Hmmm...
Makes me wonder if Jesus was a conspiracy invented around the death of a whomever for sake of creating a political/religious movement for sake of upending the then powers that be.
As in, Jesus was real...but was he really of direct decent of gOD...or was that just said so that those that came after him might free themselves of a kind of tyranny.
The debate of what all occured, and by whos hand, on Sept 11th and the open division between the two sides of that event that no doubt occured...but exactly how it went down...etc...I apply that debate to Jesus and a s'posed resurection and...well...it's giving me a headache so I'll be stopping now.
partially true... we cant help but sin but having faith isnt all we need to get into heaven. and we are not judged by our actions, true. but we ARE judged for our intentionsQuote:
Originally Posted by LordSmaug
You have one thing TOTALLY WRONG. Sinning does not mean you go to hell, everyone sins, if they say they dont then they just sinned. As long as you ask for forgiveness you will go to heaven.
As for if smoking mj is a sin. The bible says to obey the laws of the land, therefore in the USA and pretty much anywhere besides international waters and the neatherlands, it is a sin. Im not sure about international waters it probably illegal there too.
Humans are, by nature, sinners so dont worry.
Laws of the land eh...in who's country? Mine or, gOD's?
Do you see the dilemma?
Particularly if the law states...'touch the bible and you'll be shot at dusk.'
What then?
Verdict : Obeying the law of the land is a man made entry. gOD, I'm sure....could care less about 'don't pee on the grass' things that are in place from one town/state/country to another.
I'd say if you think it's a sin, then it is...
When I was younger, I often viewed marijuana as being the "Forbiden fruit" talked about in the bible. The funny thing is, I only thought about it after I had smoked a joint, lol.
It was a major buzz kill, too! I actually quit smoking a while because I couldn't shake that thought...
I wonder....