Full scale war in the Middle East?
I think they can do alright based on this:
http://www.globalfirepower.com/count...?country_id=23
Compare countries and tell me who in the middle east is going to take them out?
http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries_comparison.asp
Not to mention that they DO have nukes.
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
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Who made all that technology available to them? They would be just as weak militarily as the rest of the middle east if it weren't for the U.S. We allowed them to develop in that manner.
I will have a good one, thanks. You do the same:pimp:
edit: some of those numbers are pretty frightening. China is a friggen monster.
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Originally Posted by rhino44
Who made all that technology available to them? They would be just as weak militarily as the rest of the middle east if it weren't for the U.S. We allowed them to develop in that manner.
I will have a good one, thanks. You do the same:pimp:
edit: some of those numbers are pretty frightening. China is a friggen monster.
Do a lil' research on who gave them nuclear technology...wasn't the U.S.! Viva La France....:rolleyes:
Operation Sampson states that in case of imminant defeat...they turn the whole middle east into a glass parking lot. If it weren't for the U.S. playing the part of big brother...........
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Do a lil' research on who gave them nuclear technology...wasn't the U.S.! Viva La France....:rolleyes:
Operation Sampson states that in case of imminant defeat...they turn the whole middle east into a glass parking lot. If it weren't for the U.S. playing the part of big brother...........
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
No kidding? Even more incentive for the U.S. and U.N. to backoff and let the chips fall where they may.
Full scale war in the Middle East?
On 3 October 1957, France and Israel signed a revised agreement calling for France to build a 24 MWt reactor (although the cooling systems and waste facilities were designed to handle three times that power) and, in protocols that were not committed to paper, a chemical reprocessing plant. This complex was constructed in secret, and outside the IAEA inspection regime, by French and Israeli technicians at Dimona, in the Negev desert under the leadership of Col. Manes Pratt of the IDF Ordinance Corps.
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/
One list of current reasons for an Israeli nuclear capability is:
To deter a large conventional attack,
To deter all levels of unconventional (chemical, biological, nuclear) attacks,
To preempt enemy nuclear attacks,
To support conventional preemption against enemy nuclear assets,
To support conventional preemption against enemy non-nuclear (conventional, chemical, biological) assets,
For nuclear warfighting,
The ??Samson Option? (last resort destruction).111
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cpc-pubs/farr.htm
Some good reading here...........
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by Don Don
Bush is a piece of flaming shit.Why hasent somebody assinated his ass yet?How many more innocent people have to die before he satisfies his hunger for world domination?Hes sicker than Hitler in a since that he does his killing in the open and were all sucking on his alcohol addicted ass.The war in Iraq was a mistake but his bitch ass is just wont admit it because it might hurt his poll ratings.Whoops he already took care of that himself.Out of all of our presidents he is the worst.I mean think about it for a second,the world has never been in more chaos than at this moment,and it all started when Sadam's statue was pulled down that fateful day.That was sopposed to be the end of violence in iraq,it was only the beggining.Thanks Dubya for nothing.I hope the devil has fun playing with your soul for all of eternity.
Amen!! DOWN WITH BUSH!! ZIONIST BRANCH PUPPET OF THE ILLUMINATI!!
I hope the Earth ascends in 2012. At least we'll have some peace.
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Originally Posted by jamstigator
This isn't really a fight over two kidnapped soldiers. That's Israel's excuse to launch major offensives against their enemies. But probably none of this would have happened if Iran hadn't pushed the "attack Israel and get the U.S. off our backs" button.
Israel's in a tough position here. If they just let extremist groups kidnap their soldiers and lob missiles into their cities, their citizens get pissed, and their enemies get bolder and the attacks on them get worse. So they *have* to do something. And since the Lebanese government has basically zero control over the extremists running amok in their country, Israel can't just ask politely if the Lebanese government would please keep people inside their country from lobbing missiles and staging attacks from their territory - the Lebanese government can't do anything about it.
Put yourself in the position of the Israelis. Let's say some extremists in Mexico start staging attacks into U.S. territory and kidnapping and killing people, and lobbing missiles at our southern cities. We ask the Mexican government to make these people stop doing it, but they say (and it's true) that there's nothing they can do. Do you think the U.S. would just shrug it off, and say, "Okay, sorry you can't do anything about it, so we'll just be peaceful and watch the missiles blow up our cities, no big deal, we have other cities." Hell no, that wouldn't happen; the U.S. would go kick some ass and either make the attacks stop, or eradicate the attackers entirely.
The U.S. and Israel pushed this button in the hopes of provoking Iran directly. I'm not a conspiracist, but let's get the events in order. One Jewish soldier was kidnapped by Hamas, and Israel uses disproportionate force. Yes, they have enemies and these enemies have a legitimate bitch with the Jews.
Hell, I've got a bitch with the Jews and my own U.S. government...
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It all started on July 12 when Israel troops were ambushed on Lebanon's side of the border with Israel. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HG15Ak02.html
"The detention of Hamas parliamentarians in the early hours of Thursday morning had been planned several weeks ago and received approval from Mazuz on Wednesday. " http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/732528.html
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Originally Posted by Fengzi
Ok people, we all need to understand two basic points and then everything will make sense
1. Isreal (and the Jews in general) can do no wrong. If you criticize them you are anti-Semitic and a racist.
2. George W Bush can do no wrong. If you criticize him you are anti-American, unpatriotic, and a terrorist.
See, now that you know that doesn't it make sense that we should all work together to exterminate the Muslims?
HAHA cheers man, thats funny:thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by graymatter
Hell, I've got a bitch with the Jews.
So what "bitch" have you got with an entire race of people. This is VERY sad!:cool:
Full scale war in the Middle East?
Calls em like he see's em ...................... ................ War is the only thing zionist are good for...oh man im a anti-semite im going to hell or am I:rolleyes: both arabs & the jews they have known nothing but war for over 5000yrs........why couldnt our leaders listens to the founding fathers advice on keeping out of other peoples affairs, & it goes waaaaaaaay back not just that false flag op of 911
Full scale war in the Middle East?
If the U.S. had so much clout with Hezbullah that we could force them to attack Israel, then Bush wouldn't have sounded like he did on that unscheduled microphone event. What clout does the U.S. have to get Hezbullah to do anything? Yoohoo, it's IRAN that funds them, not the U.S. When they attack, or don't attack, it's because their master with the purse strings says so.
Now, after Iran gave the go-ahead on the attacks, did Israel use the attacks against them to launch a major offensive? Indeed they did. That's certainly not something the U.S. wanted them to do though, especially with elections looming on the horizon. I doubt we want to draw Iran into any sort of direct conflict either, as Iran is capable of severely punishing us with attacks relevant to the oil market. You think the Republicans want to hit election time with gas prices double what they are now, our economy shuddering with debt strain, our armed services already stretched to the breaking point, and a Middle East in chaos? Maybe...if they really want to lose badly in the elections.
What sovereign nation capable of retaliating against an enemy wouldn't do so if the enemy started killing their people and lobbing missiles at their buildings? That's the (simplistic) way Israel sees it, and I can't blame them. Lebanon is basically controlled by extremist terrorists. If the people there hope for a more peaceful existence, then they need to wake up and figure out that playing host to terrorists makes you vulnerable to the same punishment meted out to those terrorists.
If you look at the history of Israel, mostly they just react to attacks against them, or, occasionally, preemptively attack when they perceive a looming threat. This is same ol' same ol' - someone attacks Israel, Israel lashes back. Other than Iran being an instigator of the conflict for its own purposes, this is the same stuff that's been going on for three thousand years, just with better weapons.
For those of you who think Israel is in the wrong here, what would YOU do if you were the leader of Israel and extremists in Lebanon started ranging into Israel and killing/kidnapping your people and lobbing missiles into your country? Would you ask the government of Lebanon to make them stop? Assume that's already been done, but the attacks don't stop. What would YOUR next step be? Israel chose to retaliate. But if that was the wrong response, what would the correct response be?
Full scale war in the Middle East?
The real terrorist--------FoxNews 911 connection--"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information." -- US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring and its connections to 9-11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAoe2...rch=fox%20news
Israel spy ring http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html
Investigators within the DEA, INS and FBI have all told Fox News that to pursue or even suggest Israeli spying ... is considered career suicide
"While I agree with you, if I say anything about US geopolitical interests with Israel, I might as well clean off my desk."
Sharon to Peres: "We Control America"
Full scale war in the Middle East?
Carl Cameron? You kidding me? Does anyone believe anything he says? He never backs up anything with proof. Just innuendos and allegations.
Here's a quote from a less-biased source than that whacko:
'Cameron reported these earlier investigations into Amdocs during a May 5th, 2000 broadcast on Fox, describing an ??alleged penetration of U.S. government phone systems.? Only towards the end of his overheated report did Cameron admit that ??there are no targeted suspects under investigation because there is no information to suggest a phone breach.? But then, apparently realizing he had just shot down his own report, the reporter immediately contradicted himself, claiming, ??There is clearly a breach here, some sort of threat.?'
What kind of shitty-ass reporting is that? So he hypes a story, defames some Israelis, then admits there are no suspects because there is no evidence, zero, that any of this happened. That ain't news. That's spin. Stuck his foot in his mouth there at the end, by admitting it was all a bunch of cow manure backed up by...nothing.
Hell, he couldn't even get the facts right. Amdocs is not a mysterious private company. It's traded publicly on the NYSE as DOX. A real reporter would have done due diligence. Unfortunately, Fox doesn't employ real reporters, they employ spin doctors.
The New York Times reported:
'The federal authorities conducted a highly classified espionage investigation into whether Israeli intelligence agents used a software company in Missouri to intercept telephone conversations from the White House, State Department and other agencies, government officials said today.
The counterintelligence inquiry did not find evidence that government telephone systems were penetrated, the officials said. The investigation focused on the Amdocs Corporation, a publicly traded corporation founded by Israelis, but failed to unearth evidence that anyone at the company or connected to it had tried to listen to government communications illegally, the officials said.
??There just weren??t any facts to support a penetration,? said a government official who closely followed the inquiry.
The existence of the inquiry emerged today after Insight Magazine, which is published by The Washington Times, reported that the investigation had uncovered a security breach in the White House telephone system. Other news organizations quickly spread the story over their Web sites, but the accusation of a major espionage problem collapsed almost immediately. ...'
You're either as gullible as it's possible to be, eg420ne (you have to be gullible to take Cameron seriously), or you're exposing your own anti-Semitic leanings by propogating unsubstantiated smear campaigns. Either way, you're a patsy. The only question is whether you're an unknowing or a voluntary one.
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[QUOTE=Psycho4Bud]I was debating an issue in here the other day and someone compared the "neo-cons" to Al-Quada....Unreal! Can't even get rid of the hate in a marijuana site full of stoners, [QUOTE]
You can say my name there P4B, unlike others I'll own my comments, but I'll say yout takeing it out of context.
What I was pointing out is that the propaganda is slung on both sides to instigate WAR not PEACE.
And I like how you seemingly didnt read the rest of the post because then you take it to hate, I offer the following quotes of my own on the same post to prove that point.
"War is never the solution man, it only makes things worse. The loser will resent, and always come back to test the waters for further rebelion."
"Only real solution is peace, and niether of these parties seem to be interested in makeing comprimises to make a peace."
Read that post again and you will see I am talking about propaganda, and im not calling neo-cons al-quada, im compareing neo-cons to hezballa, in the context of propaganda slinging and im pointing out that the very things neo-cons say about them, are the exact things they can say about Neo-cons.
Sorry if this wasnt clear to you in the debate, however my words are almost never disrespectful.
And on the topic of the rest of your reply to BG, I think the recent upswing in pics/hate is a product of the vote to lack the rules, altho it seems you might be reconsidering that notion.
Peace.:thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
So what "bitch" have you got with an entire race of people. This is VERY sad!:cool:
Nation and policies... not people. Of course, the Politically Correct phrase should read: I have a bitch with Israel's policies in the middle east ;)
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Originally Posted by graymatter
Nation and policies... not people. Of course, the Politically Correct phrase should read: I have a bitch with Israel's policies in the middle east ;)
THAT'S a relief!!! I was hopin' you didn't mean the other.
Have a VERY good one!:thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Likewise, maybe the weaker of the two should quite kicking the bigger dog. After a while of this, the dog bites back.........agreed?
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
Thats the fucking dog that act like a bully of town. he bites for no reason..gotta kill the dog
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Originally Posted by LordSmaug
Go Isreal. Palastine's just pissed off because mohammed told them to be. As a matter of fact, Muslims want to dominate the world, and kill every non-muslim along the way -or make them pay a special tax and live as scumb-class citizens- (I didn't make that up it's all over the Qur'an)
I say we need to stop trying to be so fucking "politically Correct" and declare war against the real tyrant here, which is Islam. And as far as us getting pulled out of Iraq, whoever thought that would ever happen in our lifetime is just being foolish. I mean, look at Japan and Germany, we still have Military bases and tons of troops in both but we're never going to budge are we?
It's just how the U.S. Rolls, if we don't like how you're running your country we'll bitch slap you. -which I think is complete bullshit-
p.s. Fuck the u.n.
u idiot do you know arabic to even read quran, dont talk shit when u know nothing embesile
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Originally Posted by Marlboroman
You can say my name there P4B, unlike others I'll own my comments, but I'll say yout takeing it out of context.
What I was pointing out is that the propaganda is slung on both sides to instigate WAR not PEACE.
And I like how you seemingly didnt read the rest of the post because then you take it to hate, I offer the following quotes of my own on the same post to prove that point.
"War is never the solution man, it only makes things worse. The loser will resent, and always come back to test the waters for further rebelion."
"Only real solution is peace, and niether of these parties seem to be interested in makeing comprimises to make a peace."
Read that post again and you will see I am talking about propaganda, and im not calling neo-cons al-quada, im compareing neo-cons to hezballa, in the context of propaganda slinging and im pointing out that the very things neo-cons say about them, are the exact things they can say about Neo-cons.
Sorry if this wasnt clear to you in the debate, however my words are almost never disrespectful.
And on the topic of the rest of your reply to BG, I think the recent upswing in pics/hate is a product of the vote to lack the rules, altho it seems you might be reconsidering that notion.
Peace.:thumbsup:
Hey, sorry if I offended ya by using that as an example. I got the wrong group but I consider Hamas, Hezballa, Al-Quada all of the same face, just different religious leaders. Neo-con.....republican.......as for myself, I don't put these people in the same clasification but I DO understand where you were coming from with the "propaganda" theme.
You seem to be one of the more considerate posters in this area and that it's appreciated by me and I'm sure others. Peace is always the ultimate to strive for but unfortunately we're human first and our history more/less dictates that the peace solution usually follows alot of death. I'll bet these "world leaders" loved playing "King of the Mountain" as kids.
By the way........I still say that in order to have a political debate you HAVE to leave the door a lil' more open to flaming, etc........hell, why should we have to live by a higher standard than paid politicians? Just my :twocents:
You take care, keep up the good posts and the good fight and as always....
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Hey, sorry if I offended ya by using that as an example. I got the wrong group but I consider Hamas, Hezballa, Al-Quada all of the same face, just different religious leaders. Neo-con.....republican.......as for myself, I don't put these people in the same clasification but I DO understand where you were coming from with the "propaganda" theme.
You seem to be one of the more considerate posters in this area and that it's appreciated by me and I'm sure others. Peace is always the ultimate to strive for but unfortunately we're human first and our history more/less dictates that the peace solution usually follows alot of death. I'll bet these "world leaders" loved playing "King of the Mountain" as kids.
By the way........I still say that in order to have a political debate you HAVE to leave the door a lil' more open to flaming, etc........hell, why should we have to live by a higher standard than paid politicians? Just my :twocents:
You take care, keep up the good posts and the good fight and as always....
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
The apology is appreciated altho, it is not needed, I have taken no offense.
As far as Death comeing before peace, I'll agree this is the human races history, but I dont agree that it has to repeat itself over and over, it only has to do that should we choose to ignore it.
On that topic im stumped as to how not to ignore it, and how to change keep it from happening again and again. But I believe it possible.
I enjoy a critical conversation, maybe a little too much for others, but for me, it fits right well.
Thank you for participating in them, and I look forward to more in the future, you have been one of the few here that have actually admitted they can see my point, and that is refreshing, altho you may not agree with my opinion, as I dont always agree with yours, its always a battle to see something from anothers perspective.
Respect
Peace:rasta:
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"Of those qualities on which civilization depends, next after courage, it seems to me, comes an open mind, and, indeed, the highest courage is, as Holmes used to say, to stake your all upon a conclusion which you are aware tomorrow may prove false?........Irving Dillard
Thought you'd appreciate this.
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
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Isnt it amazing that we have been saying for a few months now that there was going to be a conflict in the Middle East this summer? I know I said the US was going to invade Iran this summer, but seems like they are using Israel to do the dirty work. Israel will probably invade Syria because they say Syria is providing Hezbollah with rockets, but if they do, than Iran is jumping in. Then boom the US is in!!
Damn we're good!!
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Originally Posted by Great Spirit
Isnt it amazing that we have been saying for a few months now that there was going to be a conflict in the Middle East this summer? I know I said the US was going to invade Iran this summer, but seems like they are using Israel to do the dirty work. Israel will probably invade Syria because they say Syria is providing Hezbollah with rockets, but if they do, than Iran is jumping in. Then boom the US is in!!
Damn we're good!!
The seemingly inevitable invasion of Iran and Syria is exactly why I think the US has built all the military bases in Iraq.
It factors into what is called the Force Ration. And that is only one factor in an entire set that our military uses to determine whether it can win a war.
And they are now saying more troops are needed in Iraq to fight insurgents, should this be true, I would think it careless to then invade another country further streching our Military strength.
However I am not convinced this is actually the case. Seems reasonable to me to consider that the extra troops are being sent in order to invade Iran and Syria. I would also look at a draft being instilled should we actually get involved with this.
Peace.