Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it just as easy for someone to grow tobacco if not easier, than it is to grow cannabis. There's clearly a deeper reason as to why it is illegal.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlainOldMe
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it just as easy for someone to grow tobacco if not easier, than it is to grow cannabis. There's clearly a deeper reason as to why it is illegal.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlainOldMe
LOL, Dutch Masta you and I will have to agree to disagree. Do you honestly believe that marijuana being illegal is the only thing keeping a lid on young people smoking weed? My contention is that it is the fact that it is illegal that makes them try it! As well as the fact that it is popularized through the media, so that all the "cool" people do and all the "assholes" don't. It was for a rebellious teenage me, it was for my friends. Besides, where did you get any sort of impression that the law has prevented youth from using it? The law doesn't stop them, it punishes them for it after the fact, if they get caught, in a way that isn't even effective at keeping them from using it again.
Maybe it's just that you have lived in Mayberry with Andy. You are aware of how widespread marijuana is in our schools, don't you? In every student survey done it was the most widely available drug of all, more accessible than alcohol or cigarettes even. How in God's name could it POSSIBLY get more widespread than it is now?
I understand, share and respect your desire to protect our youth from harm. However, there are wiser ways, and more effective ways, to keep them from it than the obviously failed attempt of using law enforcement as that answer. Law enforcement can only be part of the answer, not the end all.
As an example, if we did random school drug testing in a way that meant every student would receive at least two a school year it would give students a real reason to say no. If anyone gets popped then it should be brought to their parentâ??s attention so they may be given a chance to fix the problem without the child getting caught up in the system. If they get popped a second time then allow law enforcement to get involved strictly to find the source of the drugs that are ending up in the school and shut it down, not create more problems for the child than necessary. This will force drugs dealers to be VERY leery about selling to children! The only time it should affect the child is if they are in such a bad home that it is necessary to take them for their own good.
Ideas like this are the only truly effective ways to shut down school drug use. In this way we could ensure that our children are drug free until they are 18 or older, thereby creating a "clear" space in our society to work from. However, I still hold my position that it should be legal for adults. Marijuana is a relatively harmless recreational drug and should not have such a stigma attached to it. Also, I think you would be unpleasantly shocked to find that the most commonly used drugs by young adults is getting to be legal prescription drugs like Oxy, not marijuana. Compared to that marijuana is the least of our problems.
Now, based on the way you responded to LIP up there you seem to be under the impression that potheads are stupid and we are reinforcing a stereotype when we misspell words and don't organize our thoughts for debate very well. Yet here I am, an everyday smoker that started at 13yrs old, blowing your arguments out of the water. Yes, it is important to have good grammar, spelling and punctuation so that people will respect what you have to say. However, it is not indicative of marijuana but the current state of affairs in our school system.
Maybe you should be a little less arrogant towards people. Pride is a sin, you know.
rekoms htlaets , absolutely right. There are many different interests out there with a lot to lose if it becomes legal again. All of them have political clout; all of them have never been shy about using it. I'm not a conspiracy nut by any means but Jack Herer makes some very intriguing points.
Peace
grow tobacco? if one really wants to use tobacco one needs only to look on the ground, nearest ashtry, or simply, beg.Quote:
Originally Posted by rekoms htlaets
IMO, one of the hardest things to find on the ground is a nice phat roach.
dai*ma:stoned:
Nowhere in any of my posts did I state that it being illegal is the only thing preventing young people from smoking Marijuana. I completely agree that it being illegal creates desire and I even remember addressing that in several of my posts here. I simply stated that tobacco and alcohol are legal with an age restriction, and kids still have no problems getting either. I said that the only thing even close to prevention is the fact that it is illegal. I didn't say that it being illegal prevents the use of it in reality, but unfortunately the people in charge can't think up anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by newactivist
Woah woah.. you are completely misunderstanding what I am saying. I didn't imply in any way that our current law enforcement has effective methods preventing our youth from smoking Marijuana.. I responded to another person who said it should be kept from kids just like alcohol and cigarettes, to state that weed would be just as, if not easier to get a hold of this way.Quote:
Maybe it's just that you have lived in Mayberry with Andy. You are aware of how widespread marijuana is in our schools, don't you? In every student survey done it was the most widely available drug of all, more accessible than alcohol or cigarettes even. How in God's name could it POSSIBLY get more widespread than it is now?
I understand, share and respect your desire to protect our youth from harm. However, there are wiser ways, and more effective ways, to keep them from it than the obviously failed attempt of using law enforcement as that answer. Law enforcement can only be part of the answer, not the end all.
Now, I do certainly feel that it being legal will lead to even more widespread use. Why? Because whenever I ask non-smokers why they are opposed to it, the answer usually ends up something like this: "its illegal! they wouldnt just make it illegal for no reason" and they are usually under the impression that it is not only detrimental to your health, but that it is also highly addictive.
Once it is made legal, it would be more accepted, and misinformation like that would not be going around much longer.
Random drug testing would indeed be extremely effective. But the entire method of eliminating marijuana from youth culture would be pretty harsh.Quote:
As an example, if we did random school drug testing in a way that meant every student would receive at least two a school year it would give students a real reason to say no. If anyone gets popped then it should be brought to their parentâ??s attention so they may be given a chance to fix the problem without the child getting caught up in the system. If they get popped a second time then allow law enforcement to get involved strictly to find the source of the drugs that are ending up in the school and shut it down, not create more problems for the child than necessary. This will force drugs dealers to be VERY leery about selling to children! The only time it should affect the child is if they are in such a bad home that it is necessary to take them for their own good.
Ideas like this are the only truly effective ways to shut down school drug use. In this way we could ensure that our children are drug free until they are 18 or older, thereby creating a "clear" space in our society to work from. However, I still hold my position that it should be legal for adults. Marijuana is a relatively harmless recreational drug and should not have such a stigma attached to it. Also, I think you would be unpleasantly shocked to find that the most commonly used drugs by young adults is getting to be legal prescription drugs like Oxy, not marijuana. Compared to that marijuana is the least of our problems.
The way I responded to LIP had nothing to do with any of that. It had everything to do with him stating that that we need no regulation for cannabis at all. Where are you getting the impression that I was addressing his grammar, spelling, or punctuation? .. at all?Quote:
Now, based on the way you responded to LIP up there you seem to be under the impression that potheads are stupid and we are reinforcing a stereotype when we misspell words and don't organize our thoughts for debate very well. Yet here I am, an everyday smoker that started at 13yrs old, blowing your arguments out of the water. Yes, it is important to have good grammar, spelling and punctuation so that people will respect what you have to say. However, it is not indicative of marijuana but the current state of affairs in our school system.
Maybe you should be a little less arrogant towards people. Pride is a sin, you know.
There is no need to call me arrogant when you state you are blowing my arguments out of the water, when you haven't addressed a single thing I have posted without twisting my words.
It's all true!!!:rasta:
The only problems with weed happen when someone is selling or buying thats when people get shot and robbed. That wouldn't happen if you could walk into the nearst Bp and pick up a pack of 20 premium rolled joints for 4 0r 5 bucks. but if weed is legalized the large companies making it will put in the worst possible weed. And as far as alcohol companies not wanting it legal thats bull because people would still drink and i think its 85% of alcohol thats drunk by alcoholics and people would still want to have alcohol because if you have 1 to 2 drinks a day you live Longer. Like cannibis has been proven many times over when not abused it has healthy benefits. And as far as kids cant get weed cause it's illegal thats not true infact where i live its EASIER for kids to get weed than cigs because there are other kids who sell it to them who buy from irresponsible people,steal from there parents. And as far as companies adding addictive substances i think that would make no sence except for more people NOT smoking it and growing there own but if the companies keep it real and strong they will sell it like hot cakes. There's people who have been smoking since the 60's and they dont plan on quiting any time soon cause of the EFFECT not an addiction ( even though you can start to crave to effect ). And most of these kids who smoke weed think its cause it makes them "cool" even though they don't even know how to inhale.
when will the color green be free is all i can think of i smoke a bowl and fill it up 3 or 4 times in an hour or two and think why the hell is this illegal and why should the governement care that we do it i think it will always be debated but their really is nothing they can debate cept that i for one will smoke it up anywhere and not give a fuck but i will still be cautious also on your list i like how you put the jazz members a lot of people forget about them specially during what the 30's or 40's
ya i noticed u missed a few people on that list like: tommy chong, ozzy osbourne, jimi hendrix , joe walsh, black sabbath, metallica, iron butterfly and the grateful dead
george bush doesnt smoke pot if he did he'd have it legalized and he'd also be make better choices
Arnold Scharzanager, in his body building days, (California Governor)
Robin Williams (comedian)
Jim Carey (comedian)
Dennis Hopper (actor)
Queen Latifa (actress/singer)
Montel Williams (talk show host/activist)
Dan Ackroyd (comedian/actor)
Chevy chase (comedian/actor)
Jim Belushi (deceased comedian)
Eddie murphy (comedian/actor)
Steve Martin (comedian/actor)
Glen Campbell (country muscian)
Ophra Winfrey (rumored to have done it)
Pretty much all band members of the Eagles, Fleetwood mac and many more.
dang wouldn't if be something to blaze with Jim Carey haha
Ricky Williams- For all you NFL and CFL fans out there. (although he claims he hasn't smoked in over a year now)
Jim Carrey + Marijuana + Me = a shitload of laughing
â?¢ George Clinton. Ex President's brother.
...try again, i think you are really referring to the funk musician...
nice post
Kurt Cobain was listed twice
peace
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Originally Posted by Ganjasaurusrex
If these have been mentioned by LIPP please disregard.
Bob Denver ("gilligan" caught recieving 30 grams in the mail from co-star "Mary Ann" lol.
Kareem Abduul Jabaar (basketball)
Sugar Ray Leonard (boxer)
Ted Turner (CNN founder, known to toke in the office)
Stephan King (director)
Dionne Warwick (singer)
Carrie Fisher (star wars 1 and 2)
Chrissie Hynd (singer Pretenders)
Robert Altman
Norman Mailer
Linda McCarthy
Micheal Bloomberg (N.Y. Mayor "Hell yes I smoked it")
Harrison Ford (actor)
Newt Gingrich (former speaker of the House)
Woody Harrelson (actor)
Alan Sorkin
Matt McCounoghey (actor)
John Denver (singer)
Jimmy Dorsey
Luke Perry (actor)
Brad Pitt
Jennifer Aniston (Both her and Pitt allegedly smoked before meeting President Clinton) lol
Wesley Snipes (actor)
Keanu Reaves (actor)
wu tang
Great list, but Miles Davis was a trumpet player.Quote:
Miles Davis. Jazz/rock drummer.
IF it was legal then they could make money of it because they would control itQuote:
Originally Posted by Darth Bong
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Originally Posted by Ganjasaurusrex
Bill Maher (talk show host/mj activist/ Advisory board member NORML)
Didn't the queen used to do cocaine?
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Originally Posted by Dutch Masta
YES. To be honest, id rather let my child smoke weed, something that is harmless then drink alcohol or smoke cigs.
Marijuana is everywhere!!!
Most people just keep quiet about it.
Hell, once it's legal and older people start using it medicinally with greater frequency, then it won't be so 'cool' for the younger crowd and I'd expect use to decline. I mean, if Grandma's doing it, how cool can it be?
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Originally Posted by LIP
That's a strong reason why I believe it needs to be legal. I don't want my kids being pushed into alcohol and tobacco's poisons just because they're considered okay things to do...WTF is wrong with America? Isn't life more important than money? Not anymore. To me it is though. I would rather live 18 more years of my life than my neighbor..jack just because he started every day with a drink, but I broke this filthy fucking law of smoking a joint of a morning to start my day.
Liberty: freedom from control, interference, obligation, restriction, hampering conditions, etc.; power or right of doing, thinking, speaking, etc., according to choice.
According to choice...I should have the choice to buy and smoke cigarettes, inflicting damage to my body and health, or I can grow a few marijuana plants and smoke the flowers from it and just get a nice feeling that makes me feel better. I like the second one better. By growing and smoking marijuana, you're not going to cause harm to anyone or anything else...except for your kitchen pantry.
Choice to manufacture dope...wow. So many people do this, but they can sometimes blow themselves and others up because this is dangerous. That's a good law. It puts lives at risk.
They're ruining our friends' lives and others around us because smoking marijuana is for some reason a stinking crime in this country..This must stop.
Wait a minute, Willie Nelson smoke(s/d) pot? No WAY! :)
Actually, he does, and apparently keeps a nice size stash with him on his tour bus. Anyone read about his recent citation? (Yes, citation, for 1.5 pounds of cannabis!!)
http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Musi...lie.busted.ap/
We already know, the willie nelson thing is old now.
Hey,Quote:
Originally Posted by LIP
(a) I'm not famous
(b) I don't smoke (even straights) or toke but
(c) I am a committed legaliser and
(d) I'm honoured to be amongst that list of peeps.
Regards
Eddie Ellison
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Originally Posted by hymnforthesmoked
Wrong, Coca Cola has alway and will probably always have cocaine in it. They take out the part that gets you high but the coca plant is still an ingredient in coca cola and even though you dont get high there still might be somewhat addictive properties in coke.
You missed out Ville Valo from H.I.M.
That ones for Emily ;)
..to remind us that would-be conservatives are tokers too.
ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER has smoked "his faya shaya" (fair share) of "MODDY-WHAN-nnah" (marijuana)
Watch "Pumping Iron"..at the end he's seen celebrating a victory while lighting doobage on a bus, if memory serves "The Hulk" Lou Ferrigno is on board, but i don't think he hits it.
sorry, i see it was mentioned...can't read EVERYTHING, you know...stoner and what not.
Welcome to the boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie E
Welcome to the boards!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie E
I do applogise, as you can imagine, it was just copied and pasted.
Are you really Eddie Ellison?
Well, either way, im glad your not like the rest of those unrealistic idiots who think they can actually regulate and controll cannabis use in England.
That's very mature and responsible of her.Quote:
Originally Posted by klonopin
My two Cents as Always....
Who Cares,,Seriously,,,,,Seriously..What Star. Multi Millon pound /Dollar star
has done anything to legalize IT.
I can hear it Peter tosh Bod marley Olw Woody,,yeyeyey
Seriously who cares
Peace D
wtf?!? no-one noticed that? i was thinkin though, surely its not hard to find her.. they just let her off.....Quote:
Whitney Houston. Busted at Hawaii airport but ran away.
Great thread LIP, but the reason cannabis is illegal is becuase some people get so nuts on it they can't control themselves, And the fucking government can't tax it. Scumbags!
dave matthews
i think bob marley may have smoked some, but i seriously doubt it. :D