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Originally Posted by Bubbleman
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youre argument lacks all logic. what has the pain of being born got to do with circumsicion?:confused: everyone must be born, everyone has to go through with it. not everyone has to get circumcised, it should be ones own choice, not a parent who says "its normal, therefore i do it. i do whateverone does. i am another lemming." why should someone be ABNORMAL if they are not circumcised? who is the judge of who is circumcised or not? whatever they say, i betchu jesus H. wasnt circumcised. but i dont know.Quote:
Originally Posted by muncheemama
id like a rebuttal from your part.
ps- i have never done debates, its just that i disagree totally.
I'm not circumcised, and I'm glad. It angers me that it is legal - the laws regarding genital mutilation should apply to boys just as much as girls. No-one should ever be able to have healthy, functional body parts removed from another, unconsenting person.
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Originally Posted by muncheemama
why in the hell would my parents alow some docter to touch my dick with a knife, when i have a son, im not gonna alow the doctor to cut his forskin, and i dont care about what the bitch says. there is not gonna be any mutilation of my kids in no way shape or form, unless its a tatto, or piersings
lmao. I am... I was only like a few hours old... but anyways...
I think it looks better... So do the women i bin with
Nope!
I'm against circumcision...it's unnecessary..and the baby has no say in it.
I think when the child grows up to be OLDER .. THEN he should be given the OPTION of having part of his manhood sliced off..rather then putting a baby through unnecessary surgery.
I'm circumcised and I wish I wasn't. All the literature I've read suggests that it is completely unnecessary and founded in ancient, bullshit religious traditions. I've also read that, as others have pointed out, the loss of nerves takes away a tremendous amount of sensitivity. It angers me to know that I'm not feeling what I could, or should be, and there's nothing I can do about it, and I had no say in it.
Future parents, say no!
circumsized? Yes. Strange I still remember the pain.
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Originally Posted by Nausicaa
You wouldn't know, because you were cut as an infant. If my thumbs were cut off as a baby, I'd think that it was "normal", tooQuote:
Originally Posted by LIP
We chose not to have our son circumcized after reading all the info on the subject. He's 20, and I'd say that among his contemporaries, about half of the boys have been cut and half have not. (In my husband's day, nearly every boy baby was routinely circumcized before they left the hospital.) I truly believe that it's not a necessary procedure, and more and more people these days are choosing not to do that. In a few years when I become a practicing physician, if I become an ob/gyn or a pediatrician like I'm leaning toward, I'm sure I'll be taught the skill but I don't plan to encourage my patients to do it.
no i am not and my girl love to lick betwen the skin and my dick ... it is agreat pleasure
A little info and history of circumcision. Circumcision was first intiated by the Hebrews. The intial motivation is thought to have been because of masturbation. In society then it was frowned upon and looked as a possible stimulus for non-conformity to the hebrew "one god" thought. It eventually built steem later in history, through the medical profession and obviously will all of the religions that had hebrewism as roots. The thought was that if you cut of a sensitive part of the penis (comparable to female mutilation) that boys would not want to pleasure themselves.
From a medical point of view, the glans' (head of the penis) outer dermal layer becomes thicker than without circumcision and somewhat desensitized. This is because there are deeper layers of dead skin that not constitute the glans. Comparable to what happens if you walk around bare footed alot, although not as extreme. Now, I know people who are circumsized will say that they are still sensitive, but thats only because your reference point is only from the point of being circumsized.
I have a cousin who is 40+ now and married with kids. When he met his wife, she was from Alabama and I guess was weirded out by the whole uncircumsized thing. I guess he decided to get circumsized at like 30 or something. He said it was the worst thing that he had ever done. Sensitivity was no where near the same. He now had to use some form of lube to masturbate and it has not enhanced his sex life. If you are unhygenic and do not take care of yourself then maybe you should consider circumcision. uncircumsized men are more prone to penile cancer (especially if a history of yeast infections is present), smega buildup and sometimes improper fuction of the foreskin (not opening enough). If you clean yourself then you have no worries. Hope this clears up some info and BTW...most people in this world are NOT cut.
Yeh like Breukelen advocaat posted, the "HEAD" of ya penis is somewhat comparable to your GUMS or your EYEBALLS ... its sensitive, and it has a protective covering which is the foreskin .. similar to how you have eyelids for ya eyes..imagine removing ya fucking eyelids lol. like he said, "If the eyelid were removed and the eyeball were to become keratinized, you'd have a much harder time seeing" This is what happens to ya glans , as a result of being out all the fucking time permanently being exposed and shit lol...it should just be left alone, it's ridiculous to modify ya body so barbarically..there have been NO proven health benefits whatsoever..and CLEANLIENESS is bullshit. Lets cut out eyelids off why dont we so we dont get eye-boogers anymore..oo such a hassle to clean that shit out. Thats what the frame of thought is on by saying circumcision is beneficial for CLEANLIENESS..pshhhh foreskin's there for a reason!
Hellll no I'm not circumcised and I love it that way. I've tried living like the other half lives... pulled the skin back, put it back in my shorts and walked around... I was so sensitive I was dancing all over the place lol and I *like* that it's that sensitive. I don't know what it's like to be cut 24/7 so obviously I have nothing to compare it to. No idea if I'm hyper-sensitive because it's wearing the hoodie most of the time or if all cut guys are sensitive like that or what.
I've had one woman in my 30 years of trying to get back into that which spat me out 45 years ago suggest that I get cut and she was dismissed for even suggesting that I let a doctor get close to my weiner with a scalpel. It just wasn't gonna work! Every other woman that has cared to comment has liked it. I suppose they COULD have been trying to preserve my feelings but I try not to over-analyze in moments such as those.
I have a 13 year old son, and he's circumcised. As has been suggested, we were was concerned about hygeine, how he would be accepted etc. but looking back, I wish we'd said no. Kids find so many reasons to single out other kids, it just seems silly to try to eliminate all of the potential reasons. Kinda like a dog chasing it's tail. I think if you do a good job raising your boys they'll be well adjusted whether they're circumcised or not. It's the maladjusted kids that will single a boy out for something like that and you can't do anything about them because they're not your kids! My boy wears glasses and he gets singled out because of it. But no, I'm not gonna run out and get him contacts because he's not too hot on the idea of sticking stuff in his eyeballs. I don't blame him.
Nah mikey you aint hyper-sensitive...all uncircumcised guyz got sensitive glans cuz we are so used to da skin over it, its comfortable like dat!
Cut people dont feel the same level of sensitivity that we do because they had their foreskin removed when they were infants, so they basically adjusted and they don't feel any difference...as a result of the glans being exposed 24/7 they get used to it.. WE on the other-hand have had our sensitive glans properly covered with the skin that has been given to us to cover it up DUE to it's extreme sensitivity..
If you was dancing around all over the place just by pulling ya skin back and experimenting..imagine how the poor baby feels..his skin isnt even pulled back..its fucking REMOVED man! and the sensitive glans are exposed...do you fucking know how disturbing it must feel to have ANY form of contact whatsoever? think about it! its like something touching your eyeball...THAT sensitive. Picture being an infant circumcised recently, wearing a fucking DIAPER with ya glans in close contact with it....ouch man, if this shit isn't cruelty then what is??? There is no need for circumcision! Let it be a fucking choice thing..
Like I said, when the child grows to be old enough, THEN he should be given the option of whether or not he'd prefer to keep the foreskin or have it circumcised and removed. It's all about consent..we'd see his choice THEN.
Well, in all fairness, there seems to be some pretty convincing evidence of some strong benefits to circumcision, at least in sub-Saharan Africa. I read this this morning and thought of this discussion. Not sure this makes quite as convincing a case for people in countries where HIV isn't as prevalent as it is in Africa, but still, this was interesting.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=2175975
I'm sorry, but I don't buy that report at all - the best way to avoid AIDS is to wear condoms, and they said nothing about that in the article.Quote:
Originally Posted by birdgirl73
They also said nothing about other forms of STD's, which provide a gateway to AIDS in Africa (or anywhere). When a male goes to a prostitute, which is extremely common in certain percentages of males in Africa (expecially those that work far from home), and catches various types of Venereal Disease, he then can easily get AIDS because vulnerablilty increases drastically.
It's very difficult for heterosexual males to get AIDS, normally. It has to get into the blood - and various types of VD provide the entry points. This is the main reason that it's so prevalent among heterosexual men in Africa. It is possible that the men that are circumcised are the ones that don't travel much and/or visit prostitutes. They (the circumcised men) are probably from a higher socio-economic group, have a higher educational level, better access to medical facilities, etc., as well.
totally uncut ;)
feel sorry for all you ppl who been cut
%10 off...hahha
No one said you had to "buy" the report. I simply said it was interesting. The WHO supports condom use, too, by the way, but most folks who are familiar with the African AIDS situation known that encouraging condom use over there is a losing battle. This article wasn't about that subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
parents are expected to make tons of decisions for children...i bet your happy mommy chose to give you that polio vaccine huh? Im not speaking specificaly to maggz, because I understand the logic...the kid cant choose, thats true...but as a parent you are expected to choose how your child will live, from breast feeding to bottle feeding, religion, medications, names,Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggz
and every other goddamn thing, at least until they can talk...every parent has a right and an obligation to make those choices....I simply made the choice that I, as my kids parent, thought would be right....unfortunately all the PARENTS that made the same decision I did, wont speak up about it because hearing someone without any experience in being responsible for a child criticize their parenting practices is insulting and ridiculous...I dont blame them for feeling like they shouldnt have to defend how they raise THEIR kids...I love the comments like "i wont have them cut, i dont care what the bitch says.." well the "bitch" you refer to is the mother...and unfortunantely for the "man-bitch" the real "bitch" has alot more to say about what happens to the child then daddy...especially if you knock her up out of wedlock, so i would suggest being nicer to your bitch...
shame on all of the people who speak like prophets on a subject they dont have any real-life experience in... I'll listen to the dude that got the cut at 30....he knows what hes talking about...Ill chat with parents who made the decision to do it or not... I wont, however, listen to the people who come on here "halfcocked" (heehee) just looking for a reason to bitch and flaunt their abilities to research random shit on the net (congratulations, by the way, you can read)....maggz...once again I am not speaking directly to you, i just like the point you made and thought your quote would start my rant off nicely...thank you
when all of you are lucky enough to have babies, you can bet that I wont be on here bitching about the kind of life you have chosen to start your kids with...and anyone who thinks they have the right to talk shit obviously has no idea of what kind of imperfect, double edged, damned if you do damned if you dont, type of decisions pop up in parenting....gain that experience and talk to me again, maybe I can actually respect your opinion
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Originally Posted by muncheemama
You are correct that it is a parents obligation/duty to make decisions for their children throughout life. I think the main variable here is that the decision should be on matters that could be life threatening or have no known negative consequence. Polio vaccine....polio is a debilitating desiese. Breast feeding....no known negative consequence. My point is that there is no known negative consequence with an uncircumsized penis.
I also, unfortunately, had my son circumsized, but that was due to my ignorance on the subject matter. I also had my son baptised and not that that will do anything bad in life, but since then I never guided him in any religous direction. He has wondered and looked into hebrewism, catholocism, hinduism etc. The important factor was on things that were not detrimental in life, he was able to research and choose for himself what he wanted to do or believe. No essential brainwashing with ideas that I might feel are relevant or irrelevant.
I think the most important thing that a parent/future parent can realize is that 1) parents should GUIDE their children in life and not try and force them down the path we want. There are many paths in life and many of them might lead to the same point, but it's the journey down various paths that alllow us to form into who we are and learn about whats right and wrong in life. Sometimes these paths can have many more obstacles than another, but we can only inform our children from a very young age about this and then just try to guide them. Ultimately it will be there decision and they, like we had to, will live with the outcome of those decisions.
Brutal barbaric practice.
FUCK THAT !!
For those less fortunate they have this http://www.4restore.com/fnr.htm
You can check out the reactions to when I first posted this item here : http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=6319
Uncut with pride.
First of all, I've been "researching" circumcision since long before the internet was around. I have also given my time, resources and money to the cause of stopping it. I don't "flaunt" anything that I believe in - but I don't let it die just because some misguided people have a different opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by muncheemama
You still fail to get the point. Nobody is blaming YOU, or any other parents, for anything. This barbaric practice has to be shown for what it is, and we have the rights to speech, assembly, petition, etc., until it stops. This procedure is beyond "malpractice" - it's a gigantic, malicious fraud, and the remaining cases of unnecessary foreskin mutilations in the world are diminishing every day. Your yelling and insults won't do any good - uncut is going to be the norm in the U.S. - and that goes for your future grandchild descendants, whether you like it or not.
People who think being circumsized is "right" needs to take the yard stick that seems to be oh so lodged up their rectal cavity, OUT.
IMMEDIATELY.
I'm circumsised, couldn't imagine it any other way.
I'm uncircumsized. I was teased when I was younger, but I'm only a better person because of it. I'm very happy with it too. Over time the nerves in the head die because their is no foreskin to protect it, thats why the foreskin is there. It looks cleaner cut, but you also loose about 3/4 of the nerves, making sex less enjoyable. But either way is cool.
wow this is great im still wearing the sweater and i used to be all insecure about it cus i thought it was really different and nobody else wasnt and all but this threadd makes me feel better about it haha. and to breukelen advocaat...your a fucking weirdo dude, what the hell is wrong with you? your OBSESSED with the topic. are you really that obsessed with dicks?? jees dude
I have to agree with Breuk on this one.
It's different if someone decides at 18 to have it done but to take away the choice and just do it when they are kids is (IMO) nothing less than abuse of power.
Yeah, and maybe Make it Legal would not have been spared the knife if people had not questioned the practice of infant male genital mutilation (which is still going on) for the past 25 years - before he was born.Quote:
Originally Posted by psychocat
You can't please everybody - we know that's true. :dance:
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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
do ya fucking research i was born with a condition its called hooded peiness its when the foreskin is right over the tip and basically no hole to piss out
I believe you may be a pedant , the reason I believe this is because you are obviously someone who was done for medical reasons and you feel sore about that (forced not choice), but I believe that what BA was trying to say was NOT that there are no medical reasons for doing it BUT that there are no medical reasons for doing it to a normal healthy child. (Breuk I may be wrong, I apologise now if I am)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightfire24
this thread makes me laugh, Breuklen you do seem a bit over obsessive about the state of todays penises
Actually there really are very few medical reasons to circumcise, most foreskin problems can be sorted with more conservative treatments - http://www.norm-uk.org/circumcision_...reatments.html
Unfortunately a lot of people in the medical profession are ignorant when it comes to the foreskin and see circumcision as the answer to every little minor problem.
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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
wait but i said that im NOT snipped
i dont get why the people that r against circumcision are getting so defesive and pissy about this. Why does the state of others penises angery ou so much. jesus
I'm 100% natural and me. still got tonsils, appendix, foreskin, no artificial holes anywhere, except possibly a few in my memory.....
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That's exactly what I meant by "spared the knife". You weren't cut, and this possibly was because people were making noise about it, and will continue to until it's completly stopped.
It's not enough that you don't appreciate the time, effort and money that people put into fighting it, you are actually insulting those people.
Like I said before, you can't please everybody. :dance: