The Draft

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Originally Posted by graymatter

Thanks for keeping it cival... Lincoln was perhaps our greatest president and it's not primarily because he freed the slaves. He served to preserve the Union and he died for it. John Wilkes Booth didn't shoot him because he freed slaves.

The reason I despise the Bush administration is that they got EVERYTHING wrong... War, Gays, Taxes, Patriot Act, Homeland Security, Faith Based Initiatives. They took an opportunity to unite the world and squandered it on the notion that U.S. corporate interests could shape the world, while religious interests could shape the courts and the legislature... Well, 90% of the world thinks we're stupid and dangerous, and 65% of Americans are now wondering the same.

How free were the workers in the capitalism of the early to mid 1900's? Troops and Corporate hired militia to quell socialist dissent????

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Lincoln was, indeed, one of our greatest (if not the greatest) and not just for preserving the Union, either. I think it was his commitment to the Consitution at the expense of public opinion and personal feelings that showed a great deal of integrity and class befitting the office of President. Freeing the slaves didn't hurt either. Only the whackjobs think it was the wrong thing to do now. ;)

I don't agree and once again (like these retarded draft threads) Bush is being blamed for things while democrats get a free pass for the same things.
War? It was Clinton administration intelligence and policy that was used. Even the report on intelligence said teh problem was we relied too much on UN intelligence. :rolleyes:
Gays? He campaigned and won supporting marriage as between a man and a woman, he's been rock steady on that one too.
Taxes? I support lower taxes. I think I can best decide how to spend my money, not the government.
PA? You mean the one voted yes too by all of those liberals too? The one that tore down teh Clinton era wall between inteligence agencies that might have prevented 9/11? Bush's fault? :rolleyes:
DHS? Oh, the one that President Bush was initially opposed to but reconsidered after being attacked by democrats, Republicans and the public in general that DEMANDED a DHS? The one that liberal legislators voted for too? Also President Bush's fault? :rolleyes:
Faith based initiatives? God forbid charities that believe in god be reimbursed for disaster relief, right? Yes, we wouldn't want the poor children to learn about morality or God but it's perfectly fine to indoctrinate them with liberal socialist propaganda about homosexuality, politics, evironmental activism, etc?
There were America haters long before Iraq so please try to find a reasonable excuse. I'll tell you why, because America proves how impotent europe (and liberalism in general) is and socialists hate that. Wannabe intellectuals try to blame the US so they don't have to look at themselves for what they see. Moral relativists make excuses for their own failures by trying to demonize others to pass the buck, so to speak. Lemmings just do what lemmings do, follow the other lemmings. Right is still right, no matter if a poll shifts or not. Hating President Bush doesn't make the right thing wrong....unless you're a liberal.

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How free were the workers? They were free to quit and find other work or start their own companies.

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

I generally call folks on it when I see the name-calling happen over and over again, but I don't see it every time it happens, so I couldn't call Pisshead on something that I hadn't seen. I'm not a fast enough reader to read every post on here.

Actually, that wasn't an attack on Bong's literacy. It was my opinion stated in "I language." There's a difference, and not even a particularly subtle one. But it's not an attack, and if he took it that way, I'd trust him either to tell me so or ask about it to clear things up. Bong, I hope you're not feeling attacked!

Here's my deal. I've got a real up-close-and-personal look right now with a sister who's got a terminal disease at how truly short life is. It's frighteningly so. And I honestly believe that we've got to try our best to try and treat others with respect and decency. That includes not name-calling, not flaming them with profanity, not whirling around on them and suddenly coming out at them defensively and angrily but instead checking out our own perceptions before we assume they're out to get us. For me, it involves standing up for myself in conversations I'm involved in or have an intellectual stake in by calling folks on the bad-mannered stuff.

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Fair enough..just remember your explanation next time you choose to question a post of mine to its actual intent. Debating is based on facts usually not perception seeing as most are different anyway and you say its standing up for yourself in conversations you are involved in..same here..thats why I didnt get you questioning me on a post I made to Torog and billion. I enjoy your viewpoints (different) but it was strange in more than one forum to be questioned on my post that did not concern you..cleared up now..and really hope your sister improves..miracles do happen if its Gods will and your sister has the will.:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Shelbay

Fair enough..just remember your explanation next time you choose to question a post of mine to its actual intent. Debating is based on facts usually not perception seeing as most are different anyway and you say its standing up for yourself in conversations you are involved in..same here..thats why I didnt get you questioning me on a post I made to Torog and billion. I enjoy your viewpoints (different) but it was strange in more than one forum to be questioned on my post that did not concern you..cleared up now..and really hope your sister improves..miracles do happen if its Gods will and your sister has the will.:thumbsup:

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Thanks, Shelbay, for the kind words about my sister. Seriously, that means a lot. I have cried so much over the last two and a half days about that situation and prayed for a miracle. What I can't seem to keep up is my own hope now that the docs say the outlook is terminal. And I know that if I could still grasp onto some of the hope myself, I'd be a better caretaker and feel better myself. Any experience or advice you have here would be welcome.

Just learned some good news, however. We're going to be in your state before much longer, spending some time at Gulf Shores, which has been one of my favorite places for a long time. I love Alabama!

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Originally Posted by Shelbay

Fair enough..just remember your explanation next time you choose to question a post of mine to its actual intent. Debating is based on facts usually not perception seeing as most are different anyway and you say its standing up for yourself in conversations you are involved in..same here..thats why I didnt get you questioning me on a post I made to Torog and billion. I enjoy your viewpoints (different) but it was strange in more than one forum to be questioned on my post that did not concern you..cleared up now..and really hope your sister improves..miracles do happen if its Gods will and your sister has the will.:thumbsup:

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I like the dialouge and tone here... one point, Facts seem pretty irrelevent when it comes to debating politics or religion. They don't typically jump up and slap me in the face and change or motivate me without me running them through my values filter... I suspect I'm not the only one this applies to.

Probably the best recent example of why facts are irrelevent... Look at the president of the sovereign nation of Iran, whos declares the Holocost never occured. :confused:

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Originally Posted by graymatter

Probably the best recent example of why facts are irrelevent... Look at the president of the sovereign nation of Iran, whos declares the Holocost never occured. :confused:

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Or look at this thread. The FACT that the bills are authored and co-sponsored by democrats and President Bush is being blamed for a draft he doesn't support proves that fact and reason mean nothing to the anti-Bush crowd.

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Originally Posted by iamapatient

Or look at this thread. The FACT that the bills are authored and co-sponsored by democrats and President Bush is being blamed for a draft he doesn't support proves that fact and reason mean nothing to the anti-Bush crowd.

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Ummm... I don't recall any blaming the president for supporting a draft. Why should he support the draft?

He shouldn't.

Evenin', Gray and Iam.

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Originally Posted by graymatter

Ummm... I don't recall any blaming the president for supporting a draft.

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Do you even read these draft threads? ;)
http://boards.cannabis.com/showpost....5&postcount=10

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Originally Posted by Miss Green

Yeah it will proberly get to that point where bush will have to draft people if he starts a war with Iran....

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There are plenty of other retarded draft threads too. It's just not going to happen. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

He shouldn't.

Evenin', Gray and Iam.

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What's going on, there, Birdgirl? Did you enjoy your dinner? I'm getting ready to watch some Monty Python...

and, hey, IAM, I've had a long day at work and plan on smoking some MJ... it helps me think about ways to annoy everyone. :thumbsup:

Dinner was OK. I'm not very hungry these days, to be honest, and somehow a sizzling Flinstone-sized steak when it's 98 degrees outside didn't exactly hit the spot. The salad was good, though. And the lemon ice afterwards was perfect.

I think a dose of Monty and a doobie sound like a great plan. I may do the Monty but not the doobie. Not enough extra in the pharmacopia to take it away from my sister. And I'm not sure it'd help my case of the blues tonight anyway.

I'm sure this is in a previous post someplace, but I'll ask it here anyway because it's easier. What sort of work do you do, Gray?

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Originally Posted by iamapatient

Do you even read these draft threads? ;)
http://boards.cannabis.com/showpost....5&postcount=10

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Not really, I do glance at the posts where people write they're afraid Bush will reinstate the draft... They actually have nothing to fear about Bush supporting the draft: He has 1) The Bomb and 2) You and Torog to clean up the mess... ;)

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

I'm sure this is in a previous post someplace, but I'll ask it here anyway because it's easier. What sort of work do you do, Gray?

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Not really... haven't posted that level of detail... but I'm in business consulting (legitimate, sanctioned, that is). I help Republicans all day where it matters to them most :dance:

!!LOL!!

I'm afraid I do, too. I'm an executive speechwriter and general all-purpose executive communications and marketing consultant for a huge, global technology company that's based here in Texas. The gentlemen into whose mouths I put words vote Republican, which I can sorta understand considering their tax brackets.

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Originally Posted by graymatter

and, hey, IAM, I've had a long day at work and plan on smoking some MJ... it helps me think about ways to annoy everyone. :thumbsup:

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That's odd, I've had a long day smoking meds and plan on getting some work done. ;)

There will be no draft...

What sort of work do you do, Iam? If you don't mind sharing, that is. If it's already been posted, forgive me in advance. I've not seen it.

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

!!LOL!!

I'm afraid I do, too. I'm an executive speechwriter and general all-purpose executive communications and marketing consultant for a huge, global technology company that's based here in Texas. The gentlemen into whose mouths I put words vote Republican, which I can sorta understand considering their tax brackets.

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Nice, always wanted to get to Austin. Is it true you can actually drive a Volvo with Vermont license plates and a Kerry/Edwards bumper sticker through Austin and live to tell about it?

Not Austin, Dallas. The company I work for is now based in Plano, a wealthy suburb north of Dallas.

Democrats are welcome in Austin. I wish I worked for Dell and lived in Austin. Actually, no I don't. Michael Dell is said to be rather tough on his execs and direct support professionals, at least according to one of his speechwriters I've talked to before. He sometimes still votes with the Ds, I understand. His wife went to school with a friend of mine, and she shared that not so long ago.

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

What sort of work do you do, Iam? If you don't mind sharing, that is. If it's already been posted, forgive me in advance. I've not seen it.

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I guess you'd say that I'm an entrepreneur. Self-employed computer guru, investor, inventor, artist, etc. I'm working on starting a mmj non-profit and thinking about starting a biodiesel production facility and/or a think tank too.

That sounds like a wonderfully wide-ranging bunch of vocations/avocations. I'm especially interested in the art part. Do you paint or do fine arts? Or more computer-related art?

Some fine art, almost nothing on the computer. A little oil and water paint, a little sculpture (clay but I want to try stone someday),a little photography, wood, metal, plastics, haiku, etc...I even played with FX makeup for a while, I was once published for a short story (fiction) I wrote. and I used to be a body piercer. Maybe glass/ceramics one day too. I guess I'm the "idea guy..." *shrug*

i cant seem to find anything about what they decided on, or if it was even debated. the media is strangely silent about this. to be honest the whole "secrecy" factor is disturbing

H.R. 4752: Universal National Service Act of 2006

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Originally Posted by iamapatient

Some fine art, almost nothing on the computer. A little oil and water paint, a little sculpture (clay but I want to try stone someday),a little photography, wood, metal, plastics, haiku, etc...I even played with FX makeup for a while, I was once published for a short story (fiction) I wrote. and I used to be a body piercer. Maybe glass/ceramics one day too. I guess I'm the "idea guy..." *shrug*

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Sounds like you are indeed the "idea guy." And it sounds like you keep yourself busy and entertained!

I draw and am a pretty good calligrapher. And I do stained glass, which is a great hobby but a messy one. I've sorta let those interests fall by the wayside lately, what with so much going on and with my rather constant nursing duties, and that hasn't been good for me. Last night when we were at dinner, my family gave me a registration receipt for a pottery class they'd signed me up for. It starts on Tuesday night, and I'm looking forward to doing some wheel work. Artistic things certainly feed the spirit. At least they do mine.

Hope you have a good Friday!

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

I generally call folks on it when I see the name-calling happen over and over again, but I don't see it every time it happens, so I couldn't call Pisshead on something that I hadn't seen. I'm not a fast enough reader to read every post on here. (pisshead, gumby, ed and others have been going at it hard for a while)

Actually, that wasn't an attack on Bong's literacy. It was my opinion stated in "I language." There's a difference, and not even a particularly subtle one. But it's not an attack, and if he took it that way, I'd trust him either to tell me so or ask about it to clear things up. Bong, I hope you're not feeling attacked!
Bird girl this is an attack.....

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Why is it that to make yourself feel better and to get your point across, you ahave to be so rude and call other people names? I think you tread on thin ice in a lotta ways--brainwise, heartwise, literacywise--but I find your scarcity of manners and respect the most hard to take, somehow.

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Here's my deal. I've got a real up-close-and-personal look right now with a sister who's got a terminal disease at how truly short life is. It's frighteningly so. And I honestly believe that we've got to try our best to try and treat others with respect and decency.( i have had a bought with testicle cancer, tell me something i dont know.) That includes not name-calling, not flaming them with profanity, not whirling around on them and suddenly coming out at them defensively and angrily but instead checking out our own perceptions before we assume they're out to get us. For me, it involves standing up for myself in conversations I'm involved in or have an intellectual stake in by calling folks on the bad-mannered stuff.Please keep the manners on the rest of the forum.....I will not hold my tounge here in Political Forum. That is where you are wrong BG.....in the rest of the forum i keep it chill I take the gloves OFF FOR THE AMERICA HATING, COMMUNIST, here in PF.

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OK now badgirl that you have told us (bragging i might say, ill quote you if you want me to blah blah speach writer blah blah) that you are very educated and important GOOD FOR YOU.

I am a Dad, that lost his Dad Viet nam. My mom worked 3 jobs growing up, and school was never at the top of my list. I did take 2.5 years of college I got Cs in english and As in economics and math and science. I was going to be a civil engineer. Well life happened, wife and kids later I still need to finish college. YOU WERE RIGHT YOU ARE WAY SMARTER THAN ME.


here is the differance, YOU ARE A BITCH FOR CALLING ME OUT (read above) I have never said anything to you in a post, and the first words out of your mouth to me were (thin ice). Get off you high horse and come down to the real word with the rest of us. ( you could write a speach about it) ohh yea I have been a Public speaker for years now, my job..... got an A in that class too.

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I chose to change carrers, and go into the family bussiness. 1 week on the Job and My 55 year old dad fell and broke the Ball off of his femur, (broken hip) Now His family is in jepordy, my family is in jepordy. I am going through one of the toughest times in my life.
Please say a prayer for my DAD, and Birdgirl you can use that information to slam and belittle me some more.:thumbsup:

Hi Bong..I will say a prayer for your Dad..don't know his name so I will just say Bongs Dad..he knows who I am talking about:) Your Mom worked 3 jobs?? I have met people that lost their fathers and their mother did the same thing..I very much have respect for any woman that can work like that outside the home and still hold the home together..sounds like you come from strong stock Bong..just keep holding your head high..there are a few private groups that I can give you their contact info that helps families like yours..with a vet involved. Its situations like yours that I don't understand how our country can ignore people that work hard and give to their Country but when they need their Countrys help in return..its not there..I am so sorry your having this kind of stress Bong.

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Originally Posted by Shelbay

Hi Bong..I will say a prayer for your Dad..don't know his name so I will just say Bongs Dad..he knows who I am talking about:) Your Mom worked 3 jobs?? I have met people that lost their fathers and their mother did the same thing..I very much have respect for any woman that can work like that outside the home and still hold the home together..sounds like you come from strong stock Bong..just keep holding your head high..there are a few private groups that I can give you their contact info that helps families like yours..with a vet involved. Its situations like yours that I don't understand how our country can ignore people that work hard and give to their Country but when they need their Countrys help in return..its not there..I am so sorry your having this kind of stress Bong.

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Shel,
Thank you very much....xoxoxox


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his name is Andy(God knows, you are right).... he is my second step Dad. He is the best. I love him very much.
I have told my MOM that I will take over his route, till he gets back on his feet. I only had one week of training, but i will go out and make him proud.

Thanks again Shel,

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Originally Posted by Bong30

OK now badgirl that you have told us (bragging i might say, ill quote you if you want me to blah blah speach writer blah blah) that you are very educated and important GOOD FOR YOU.

I am a Dad, that lost his Dad Viet nam. My mom worked 3 jobs growing up, and school was never at the top of my list. I did take 2.5 years of college I got Cs in english and As in economics and math and science. I was going to be a civil engineer. Well life happened, wife and kids later I still need to finish college. YOU WERE RIGHT YOU ARE WAY SMARTER THAN ME.


here is the differance, YOU ARE A BITCH FOR CALLING ME OUT (read above) I have never said anything to you in a post, and the first words out of your mouth to me were (thin ice). Get off you high horse and come down to the real word with the rest of us. ( you could write a speach about it) ohh yea I have been a Public speaker for years now, my job..... got an A in that class too.

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I chose to change carrers, and go into the family bussiness. 1 week on the Job and My 55 year old dad fell and broke the Ball off of his femur, (broken hip) Now His family is in jepordy, my family is in jepordy. I am going through one of the toughest times in my life.
Please say a prayer for my DAD, and Birdgirl you can use that information to slam and belittle me some more.:thumbsup:

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I'm not gonna slam and belittle you some more, Bong, and I sure as heck hope I didn't do that earlier. If I did, I am sorry. I hope someday you can learn you don't have to belittle others with names. Right now, you're obviously too angry to do that.

I'm gonna remember you in my thoughts and prayers and ask others to as well. I don't ever forget for a moment how lucky I am and have been. And I'm more keenly aware that others are less fortunate than you might realize. That's the chief reason why I vote the way I do.

That wasn't bragging about my job. It was just my title. This job is actually quite awful in thousands of ways. And that's why, in less than eight weeks, I'm leaving it to go back to school. I cannot wait to be free of it, frankly.

Peace and love and happiness and prosperity to you, Bong, and to your family. If you want to turn this all into a slam against you and call me a name again, you go for it. You obviously need to do that, and I'm a good, anonymous victim for you to take your rage out on.

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

If I did, I am sorry.

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I accept your appologie, and I am sorry too.

Thank you for the kind words, and prayers for my Family..... we need it right now.

Thank you..........

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Originally Posted by Euphoric

i cant seem to find anything about what they decided on, or if it was even debated. the media is strangely silent about this. to be honest the whole "secrecy" factor is disturbing
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It's no secret... :rolleyes:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h109-4752
Official Title: To provide for the common defense by requiring all persons in the United States, including women, between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.
Status: Introduced (By Rep. Charles Rangel [D-NY])
This bill is in the first step in the legislative process. Introduced House bills go first to House committees that consider whether the bill should be presented to the House as a whole. The majority of bills never make it out of committee.
Introduced: Feb 14, 2006
Last Action: Feb 23, 2006: Referred to the Subcommittee on Military Personnel.
Sponsor: Rep. Charles Rangel [D-NY](no cosponsors)
It's clearly stuck in committee with zero cosponsors and even less interest. Ding-dong the democrat draft bill is dead....again. DEAD. ;)

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Originally Posted by Bong30

I accept your appologie, and I am sorry too.

Thank you for the kind words, and prayers for my Family..... we need it right now.

Thank you..........

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Thank you guys for an outstanding session.....I don't know. I thought it an appropriate word to use.

FWIW, I really enjoy everyone here, I new, given it time ~ I may not later.
Or visa versa.

Billibong - sorry man, I need to keep my own political correctness, to my self.

I just get bothered, that God takes the Rap for things some Christians don't understand..... ~Look not your Fault~ It's Ours.

Not trying to be a martar, it's just the way it is.......as I see it.

Bong 30... I'm there man.... Look your in the fire. This season is going to give you strength ~ you may need later.....

on my knees shortly.

Damn, I can't believe I missed this discussion. I read Draft in the title of the thread and didn't give it a thought because it won't happen. I wish it would because I would love to fight for my country.

I'm glad Bong30 and birdgirl made up. I love you both and will say a prayer tonight for Bong's dad and bird's sister.

I would also smoke a bowl but I have no weed.:mad:

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Originally Posted by minnesota man

Damn, I can't believe I missed this discussion. I read Draft in the title of the thread and didn't give it a thought because it won't happen. I wish it would because I would love to fight for my country.

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You *do* understand that you can join without a draft, right? If you want to fight for your country, you don't need to be drafted, you can just sign up. :confused:

Yeah I do, but with where I'm at, it's better for me to raise my kids. Plus, my wife won't let me. But if it comes to the draft, I'm in.

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Originally Posted by minnesota man

Yeah I do, but with where I'm at, it's better for me to raise my kids. Plus, my wife won't let me. But if it comes to the draft, I'm in.

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Hey, sweet MM! I wrote you an email. Don't you worry your little blue-striped head about anything. All is well, and I still love you, too. Never stopped.

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

Hey, sweet MM! I wrote you an email. Don't you worry your little blue-striped head about anything. All is well, and I still love you, too. Never stopped.

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Yes, I read it. Thank you. See you later. Time to go night, night.

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Originally Posted by minnesota man

Yeah I do, but with where I'm at, it's better for me to raise my kids. Plus, my wife won't let me. But if it comes to the draft, I'm in.

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Like a note from the government, to your wife, excusing you for duty? ;)

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Originally Posted by graymatter

I like the dialouge and tone here... one point, Facts seem pretty irrelevent when it comes to debating politics or religion. They don't typically jump up and slap me in the face and change or motivate me without me running them through my values filter... I suspect I'm not the only one this applies to.

Probably the best recent example of why facts are irrelevent... Look at the president of the sovereign nation of Iran, whos declares the Holocost never occured. :confused:

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But the fact is it did happen..Irans idiot in charge opinion is that is didn't happen..fact is..that it did..you can't change his perception on things but the majority of the world know that the holocaust is a fact.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

LOL...all the attack would be about is taking out their nuclear capabilities. But of course we ARE the evil empire looking to snatch up the worlds oil...right?:rolleyes:

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Correct..the US is the evil empire. They just make it sound good! You don't really expect the US to just bomb and leave do you?? Oh no my friend. They will push for regime change and make Iran into a "democratic" republic against the will of the people, hence that is why they will have a draft and send us young people to go die for.....well really for their amusement!! These are the people that supposedly lead us.

What a fucked up world we live in. They call this reality huh.

"It's a crazy mixed up world, it's a Doggy Dogg World"