The Psychoactive Forum is Closing !!!!!!!

I agree to shutting down non-cannabis Forums, wholeheartedly ... this website is named "cannabis.com" for a reason, ... if you are into something else, go to "tweeker.com", or "heroin.com" , whatever ...
good people are trying desperately to get cannabis legalized, or at least, decriminalized, and allowing these other drug threads to infiltrate plays right into the hands of LEO, and normal, concerned parents ... how can we argue that pot does NOT lead to other, more harmful drugs, when we are permitting those exact drugs to be popularized in here ?? ...
get real, people .. if you want to know how to cop a 'high' sniffing your Mom's douche, then find that info somewhere else, not in a cannabis forum ... :smokin:

bob makes a lot of sense.

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Originally Posted by Its a Plant

Not everyone looking at the site is a concerned parent...

Logic seems a little off..

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No you're right.. there are people coming to this site to honestly learn about cannabis. Adults..that are un educated on the matter.

Put yourself in that position...you come here to learn about cannabis.. either the medical or recreational uses of it.. How would you react when you see people talking about a variety of mind altering drugs...that have nothing to do with cannabis? would you not be a little concerned that cannabis can lead to these other things? To be honest most of the Pyschotropic topics have NOTHING to do with cannabis. I believe the quote was "weed is practically fucking useless." ...which really, says it all.

If this is the mentality of a drug user, that cannabis is honestly not very helpful... but these other drugs are? Then you're more addicted than you realize.

Which is exactly why this section is going to get closed.

Why should a message board like Cannabis.com be limited soley to cannabis? Cannabis may be the main focus here and it's a good place for growers but I believe that everybody here has made the decision to do an illegal drug. Despite what most of your parents, teachers, doctors, parole officers or your government told you about it you smoked an illegal drug. Perhaps you were curious or indifferent to the authoritative influence. Maybe you did your own research and found that the drug laws were draconian and impracticable, the entire topic of psychoactives a body of myth and hype.
It should be no surprise that a lot of people who smoke cannabis are interested in the effects of other substances. Everybody everywhere needs to stop discriminating against drugs. Are you trying to give people the idea that cannabis is different from other drugs? Those that know already know and the others just arn't interested. While legalizing cannabis would be a nice step in the right direction it seems far off at this rate and meager juxtaposed the war on drugs. All drugs are different from other drugs and prohibiting them all is doing more harm than good. Allowing just cannabis discussion is nice, but Other Psychotropics is progressive. Why take a step back?

theimagereaper, Cannabis doesn't force you to do other drugs. People do other drugs for their own reasons, and others need to accept that as well. People with your attitude are never going to get cannabis legalized.

Well I understand that you want to keep it strictly cannabis talk, but at the same time, I liked the option to post in an area such as the psychoactive forum. That's what makes this place so cool. If people don't want to learn about drinking cough syrup and what not, then they don't have to click in that forum. And to assume every impressionable kid that looks in the psychoactive forum will go out and start huffing gas is reasoning gone wrong. These are all assumptions, and I guess I missed the part when this site became more parentally-acceptable. Either way, I think you might be getting rid of a good thing.

My :twocents:

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Originally Posted by Its a Plant

I guess I missed the part when this site became more parentally-acceptable. Either way, I think you might be getting rid of a good thing.

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That's actually exactly what the new owners are trying to do. Make this site much more mainstream... hopefully educating more people that have massive misconceptions about cannabis.. like the "gateway drug" thing, or that smoking it will cure whatever ails you. We're trying to get cannabis more accepted by people who have been fed biased opinions about it, as i think we ALL are fed at some point.
You may be right.. and bye closing down the Psychotropic area may force people to go elsewhere to get this information, we may even lose a few respected members...but if the direction this site is traveling does not include Psychotropics..then it will not include other Psychotropics..

We're more concerned with educating and helping to fix misconceptions many, many people in our society have about cannabis.

I think all the threads I have seen about heroin, coke and meth werent exactly saying "oh yeah its great try it".
oh yeah thats what LEO wants
you know why???
more money for thier drug war

personally I think I may have saved a few kids from picking mushrooms in the woods and eating them. They posted questions about it on here before they risked thier lives. I think thier concerned parents would thank me FYI
you see talking about other drugs CAN inform people

although i probably will not stop coming to the site completely, the closing down of this forum will drastically reduce my visits here. i found this forum to be the most intellegent and factual forum on this site. whatever its the new admins choice to lose probably half of the people that come to this site. oh yea i just registered for bluelight... my name is gan Jiah 13 if anyone on here joins those forums it would be pretty cool if we all knew someone on there. peace

" That's actually exactly what the new owners are trying to do. Make this site much more mainstream... hopefully educating more people that have massive misconceptions about cannabis.. like the "gateway drug" thing, or that smoking it will cure whatever ails you. We're trying to get cannabis more accepted by people who have been fed biased opinions about it, as i think we ALL are fed at some point. " ....

I, for one, am very happy to see the new owners taking a responsible course of action ... I feel this is the necessary step for genuine cannabis-law reform, the "powers that be" that can change these laws, will naturally check their sources for correct information, I only hope what they find is not seeded with the glue-sniffers, and cough-syrup drinkers ... :smokin:

So essentially what you are saying here is ::: Pot is a gateway drug so we won't show that here... You can't squelch reality to promote opinion...

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Originally Posted by Skink

So essentially what you are saying here is ::: Pot is a gateway drug so we won't show that here... You can't squelch reality to promote opinion...

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Sounds like YOU are saying this...
I'm saying quite the opposite actually...pot should NOT be seen as a gateway drug.. as it really isn't.

People that start smoking pot, often get curious with other drugs.. but this is not always the case.. There are many uses for cannabis that do not lead to harder mind altering drugs. By having the psychotropics forum, anyone that believes this misconception will validate it by seeing that a cannabis site has an entire section dedicated to "other pyschotropics"..

So really, by having this forum it only helps people argue that cannabis is in fact a gateway drug.

to be honest what sundance said is better and needs no other explanation...

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Originally Posted by Sundance

btw: we are cannabis.com

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one concern I have though is that if we eliminate the psychotropics forum there will be tonnes of crack, coke, lsd, shroom, DXM, and so forth threads in the lounge and recreational, which could hence make us look worse.

oh and Bobbomb, with all due respect and love, I'm still not agreeing with you that my terrorism thread should be moved to politics!:p

I'm more less an example of what Bob is talking about. I got it in my head to start growing my own instead of paying the dealer man. Stumbled on this site doing the research. Granted, once I got here and learned what was needed the majority of my time was in the politics forum but my initial search was for grow information.

Question: Is there a movement to legalize LSD, coke, heroin, etc.........this site IS named Cannabis.com for a reason. NOT that I have anything against any other stimulants. Not much for discrimination in my personal life.:D

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

Do have to admit though that I did learn a little in here on the topic of growing poppie, but that I considered was my patriotic duty in order to take the money out of the hands of the Taliban.:D

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if you want to know how to cop a 'high' sniffing your Mom's douche, then find that info somewhere else, not in a cannabis forum ..

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I think some of these kids would do that if it got them buzzed.

I agree its cannabis.com not "how do i get high on house hold products.com"

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Originally Posted by SensiRide

I cant see myself coming on this site as much now, which is such a shame, I really enjoyed this section and found it very helpful and informative.

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Do the math here mods... If the older and more mature people leave because they're not free to discuss anything of interest, and at least half of the younger immature people leave because hotties like Sensi are no longer posting pictures of themselves... where will that leave you? Sounds like a pretty shitty forum.

Seems like you just want to complain about cough syrup, but there's a lot of open conversation about mushrooms, acid and e, just for example. I'm not condoning the use of any of these for just anyone but obviously they're going to be done by certain individuals, and I don't see how not talking about it is going to make the situation at all safer for anyone.

This decision blows. You're moderators. Can't you, well, moderate between the new owners and the masses, so to speak, and come up with some new and more acceptable options?

You're right, the owners own the website, and they have all the say in what happens here. But why would anyone want to come to a site like that?

Did Ron sell the board to someone who has ownership or something in the other boring marijuana only forums?
Also, if this area is getting shut down, what others are going to be deleted also?

If this is the mentality of a drug user, that cannabis is honestly not very helpful... but these other drugs are? Then you're more addicted than you realize. bobbong

or, closer to death, I say...lw

This place has hit the shitter. I remember when i used to come to this site every 3 hours. Now its every 3 days. now that this forum is gone, theres really no point in reading about how some 14 year old kid smoked an ounce by himself. The new moderators are ignorant. People arent telling kids to get high off anything they can, there saying if your going to get high, be smart about it. But you ignorant new mods didnt see that. I also agree that Nullific sould be the moderator of this forum, as he is probably the most knowledgable person here.

One more thing








I love coke







Sundance = Stalin

Shutting down this board won't get cannabis legalized any sooner. Until people fault their own actions rather than inanimate objects, we'll be progressive.

This is a section of the board that was free from the "stupid ass crackhead" or "heroin will kill you" comments that would be posted if a topic about crack or heroin was posted in the lounge.

As sensi stated, ironically this is the most mature section of the entire boards. To get rid of this section epitomizes what the owner is most clueless about: maintaining loyal members and content.

If you want this to become a shitty kid fest with some high schoolers who think pot is so magical, fine by me. I don't see myself engaging about talking about just "cannabis" all the time. It's boring.

Nice guys.. real nice..

You realize that calling the owners "stalin" is pretty much the same thing as calling them "nazi" or "hitler". We're not being ignorant, you do not hear us saying that you shouldn't be talking about these things, educating yourself before doing something. There are however, MANY places to do it. This forum was one of them, until a decision was made to close it down for ...whatever reasons. Now that this is being done.. you're all biting the hand that fed you this freedom to talk about it in the first place. We're asking, not telling people to take this kind of talk elsewhere.. because.. that's just what they want.

I find it ironic that most of you participate in other websites that talk about this stuff, but still come to "cannabis.com" to talk about it. The only reason you guys do that, is because you can. Soon, you won't be able to do that...You may feel it's a negative change.. many people may feel it's a "negative" change... but to be honest there's rarely "good" or "bad" change on a website... just change and most changes will be both good and bad.

I don't think this is being done to shun the uses of these other psychotropics.. but if the objective of the site excludes other psychotropics then there's little that can be done about it.

If you're here JUST for this specific "other pychotropics" forum, then of course.. you're not going to like this change. If you're here for both Cannabis and other Psychotropic topics, then you may be a little dissappointed..and for that we're sorry... i don't think they intend to disappoint anyone, simply make the changes that they feel need to be made to meet their objective.

I'm sure a majority of people know about Erowid.org but perhaps we'll address making some sort of Sticky to help steer people in the right direction of where to look for this kind of information. But the fact of the matter is, this section has had little to do with cannabis since it was put up and the new owners wish to now make this site mainly but not soley about cannabis...

Happy Toking,
Bob.

We should all feel an obligation to promote responsibility.

Advocating or glorifying the use of dangerous and degenerative substances, like DXM or Heroin, which can kill a first-timer with as little as a gram dose, is extremely irresponsible. Advocating or glorifying the use of other physically addictive substances, such as amphetamines and cocaine, is equally irresponsible. While sharing information about the drug itself is not irresponsible, our first and foremost notion, in my opinion, should be to inform them that most of the substances discussed on that forum are extremely dangerous. When I see a thread about using cough syrup to trip or teaching someone how to properly inject heroin, it kind of knocks the overall quality of that forum down to abysmal levels. Its disgusting, imo.

I more appreciate the idea that we are here for the education of those seeking knowledge regarding Cannabis. While, not everything in the psychotropics forums is negative or disgusting, there are threads there that are going to give kids and adults alike good ideas about bad things. It is very tearing to know that we will lose quality information and exchange of ideas about certain narcotics some of us can enjoy as safely and responsibly as Cannabis, but, also a benefit in that there should be no excuse for our kids to be building up liver disorders and failing kidneys because someone said you can trip off of robotussin, or learning how to obliterate their veins with needles or get addicted to drugs that wreak havok on their nervous systems.

While there are two sides to it, I think the way they intend to go is more favorable than what is current. Personally, I would welcome open discussion about certain other narcotics. However, while some other substances may appear safe to me, they aren't literally safe. I would be happier knowing that hey aren't learning how to get high off of spray paint from some burnout in that place. A lot of the drugs being discussed there aren't safe. We shouldn't really be trying to preach the usefullness of drugs that are assured to cause severe degenerative effects with even casual to moderate use.

Its hard to not call it propaganda versus other drugs by deliberate omission of their discussion, however, there are other sites to learn about other substances. I'd say that forum is ruined by the sheer volume of people using unsafe drugs and failing to report, along with the psychotropic effects, the long term degenerative effects. That, to me, is irresponsible.

Stellar....WELL SAID!

If it were just to give a little knowledge that would be one thing but I can't even count the amount of posts from kids that go on the order of this:

Me and a buddy just bought 3 grams of coke...how big of lines should we do....how long will it last.

You said it all very clear!!!

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

It's because of the war on drugs, that pot can be linked to a gateway drug.

If people were educated correctly in the first place, that pot is a mostly harmless drug, safer then alcohol, then people wouldn't be thinking this line of thought;

"Well holy crap. Pot is great! They said I would become a drug addict, my penis would fall off, teeth would fall out and I would lose 20 IQ points smoking my first bong!" ... "Since pot is fine, they must have been lying about the other drugs too! Get that heroin ready for me joe! This cat's going to town!"....

I'm sure this is how alot of kids first start. Thinking well, pot isn't bad, neither is the rest. We can only blame the goverment for their false propaganda and lack of real education regarding MJ.

~r

I hate to say it...
But I'm very relieved that i'm not the only person that thinks about these things..

Thank you,
Bob.

Maybe, the psychoactive forums should concern threads about the psychoactive properties of Pot?

Or, has someone said that...

i think the psychoactive forum is a good forum with good information on it. why not put a disclaimer on the website, rather than taking away the forum? it's not going to stop people from talking about smoking their godawful meth or their crack or dropping LSD (harmless in my opinion) or eating shroomies.

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Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs

Maybe, the psychoactive forums should concern threads about the psychoactive properties of Pot?

Or, has someone said that...

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That's also a good idea, i don't believe that has been addressed. Could that not fall under the Medical and Health Forum though? The problem that i'm seeing is that the Psychotropics forum was made specificly for talking about "Other" drugs...The topics aren't even about cannabis used with other psychotropics, just those other drugs..

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Originally Posted by IanCurtisWishlist

i think the psychoactive forum is a good forum with good information on it. why not put a disclaimer on the website, rather than taking away the forum? it's not going to stop people from talking about smoking their godawful meth or their crack or dropping LSD (harmless in my opinion) or eating shroomies.

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well, we can't stop anyone from saying anything.. if someone wishes to be racist or trying to sell illegal stuff, then they'll do just that.. but they'll also not be welcome to the site either, and they'll be told that. If you can't accept the changes as they're presented.. then perhaps a different forum would be for you?

p.s. i'm generalizing, not talking to anyone specificly.

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Originally Posted by BobBong

well, we can't stop anyone from saying anything.. if someone wishes to be racist or trying to sell illegal stuff, then they'll do just that.. but they'll also not be welcome to the site either, and they'll be told that. If you can't accept the changes as they're presented.. then perhaps a different forum would be for you?

p.s. i'm generalizing, not talking to anyone specificly.

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If somebody is being racist, they should be banned... if someone is selling illegal stuff on the board, then that's definately a no-no. i'm just saying that instead of closing the forum you could put a disclaimer illustrating the point; something along the lines of "we don't condone the use of such substances, however we aren't one to limit the free speech of other people." you know what i mean? i understand the point, that you don't want cannabis to be associated with hard drugs because you would like it to seem more 'main-stream'. but maybe there is another way to go about this , other than completely closing the psychoactive forum? i think there is good educational advice in this forum.. when i think about it this way, i wouldn't mind answering a kid's question regarding the LD-50 for heroin; he might have taken too much of the drug had he not first consulted with people who have more knowledge. Again i see your point, but this is something to take into consideration. maybe the psychoactive forum should remain, but "for informational purposes only". just a thought?

i'm only recommending this because closing that forum probably isn't going to stop people from talking about how much blow they're doing or how to cook meth or anything like that.

Like you are saying, there are mentalities out there that are going to get high on one thing, think its great, then go see what kind of highs they get off of other things. Its another ugly head of the irresponsibility monster. Simply wanting to get high, with no regard for the fact that you can hurt yourself to the point of a slow death in a hospital bed.

Calling pot a gateway drug is a cop out and an attempt o evade the fact that people want more of something when they experience it and think positively of it. The same phenomenemanomnjon occurs with food. It happens with everything known to man. For some reason, calling this phenomenon "gateway" and puting it in front of "drug" causes an uproar and backlash against Marijuana amongst people easily impressed by a clever application of buzz words or terminologies.

"Wow! Beef and chicken are good! What does pork taste like," "Wow, coca cola is good, what does RC taste like?"

The gateway drug hip hop is a bunch of shit, so to say. Everything is a gateway to something else. Some genius decided to say pot can lead to a curiosity and execution of obtaining highs from other substances. Sherlock Holmes, look the fuck out. That philosophy works with just about everything from food to clothes to sex.

However, if one is to put something in one's body without research or regard to its detrimental effects, one is careless. Moreover, one will not benefit from another telling them how awesome a detrimental drug feels, while failing to tell one about the possible harm assosciated with that drug. I do not believe that cannabis.com should be a source of information or advocacy regarding DXM, herion, cocaine, or whatever else you can come up with, for that reason alone. As much as moderation or regular john would try to prevent it, someone is going to tell someone else that coke is fun or heroin makes you happy before you can get there to teach them the dangers associated with those things.

On the same token, its altogether possible they will go somewhere else and some dummy is going to tell them that whatever deadly chemical they are onto feels great and they should go for it. But, why should that place be cannabis.com?

exactly; there are only gateway behaviors, NOT GATEWAY DRUGS. if you are looking to get fucked up off of whatever and you don't care what it is that you're putting into your body, you are 1) stupid and 2) more likely to not just smoke pot, but to move on to other drugs. it's the "gateway" BEHAVIOR/MINDSET. smoking marijuana might cause one to become curious about other substances; however this depends on the individual. if you are looking to experiment with drugs then you are more likely to try hard drugs. honestly i've done hard drugs and would prefer pot over anything. so that's the idea; if you are looking to get messed up off of whatever, that's one thing. but if you looking for a marijuana high, you will stick with marijuana and not dabble in other drugs..

well said guys, thanks for giving your input on this matter.

I couldn't have said many of the points that were covered better.

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Nice guys.. real nice..

You realize that calling the owners "stalin" is pretty much the same thing as calling them "nazi" or "hitler".

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It's absolutely nothing like calling them nazis or hitler. Know your history bob. Some of the fiercest fighting of WWII was between the nazis and the soviets.

There are vast cultural and idealogical differences. however, it's true that they're both totalitarian governments. Come to think of it, the parallel you've made make more and more sense...

No chance of discussion huh? You are but a cogwheel in the vast machine of cannabis.com, eh bob?

Sexuality, get rid of it... Politics... get rid of it. Recreational and the Lounge should be merged since they pretty much have the same idea in mind. Drug Testing get be lumped up with those two forums as well. Spirituality... that's should be removed... and oh yeah... might as well merge Activism with the rest too... and so such Legal as it's the same idea as Activism, right? The Health forum... what should that be merged with? Sexuality? Or Drug Testing?

This removal makes no sense at all.

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Originally Posted by BobBong

Sounds like YOU are saying this...
I'm saying quite the opposite actually...pot should NOT be seen as a gateway drug.. as it really isn't.

People that start smoking pot, often get curious with other drugs.. but this is not always the case.. There are many uses for cannabis that do not lead to harder mind altering drugs. By having the psychotropics forum, anyone that believes this misconception will validate it by seeing that a cannabis site has an entire section dedicated to "other pyschotropics"..

So really, by having this forum it only helps people argue that cannabis is in fact a gateway drug.

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No, like he just said... but was chosen to be twisted around... what you're saying is that the new owners don't want to make it appearent that Cannabis is a gateway drug.

Fucked up logic... and you and "sundance" will lnever be convinced otherwise... cause you're both very "mainstream" people.

I've seen some amazingly ignorant threads concerning dxm use. I'll admit to that. But I think its a rather stark decision to say that psychotropics break down into mj, and all things not-mj. And that one of these is bad and the other good.
Two test cases for you to consider. Shrooms and Salvia. Hell, salvia is even smoked.
Where do we draw the line on acceptable drug use in the vast scale that moves from mj through black tar heroin?

I always conceived of overturning drug prohibition by changing the attitude about drugs, not their legal status. It will be all well and good when cannabis is legal, but there's a problem in society as long as it says some drugs are illegal, and therefore bad, while other drugs are legal, and commercialized, so open your mouth and fucking swallow.

Is selling out in order to make cannabis more acceptable really the best solution?

I've done the research and am obviously biased towards my own findings, but I just doubt that that many people opposed to mj are researching the internet throughly in order to learn about it.
As for concerned parents, maybe they have a right to be concerned. Kids don't always understand everything, for all that they might emulate adult behavior. still, I think there's less harm in the threads that discuss other drugs than in the one's where some ignorant jerkoff will brag about getting ripped and beating the shit out of someone.

I could find 10 threads with my eyes closed whose content would make me worry more about the impressionable youth than the use of the word "heroin" throughout the boards.

Maybe the moderators could actually, I don't know, moderate(?), so that instead of only representing the spectrum of users of a single drug (cannabis), we could instead represent the responsible users of a whole spectrum of drugs.

before the psychoactive forum gets shut down & i go to sleep, i must proudly proclaim 'I'm pretty wasted on this "Kummel" liqueur i bought several weeks ago & it feels FUKKIN GREEEIIT!'
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I agree with the sentiment of they way some things are being worded, that it seems as if someone is trying to play a game and remove any material that could make cannabis look like it leads to those other drugs and chemicals.

Myself? I don't buy gateway theory. However, even if all material making it look like it is easy to link marijuana to coke or whatever from here is abolished, the notion of marijuana being a gateway drug is not going to go away, just because you can't read about opium on canabis.com. Any intelligent person knows this.

In my opinion, the problem with drugs is that they ARE usually thrown in the same boat as eachother. Take the recent alaska meth/pot bill. One horrendous substance was clumped together with a virtually harmless substance, like they both belonged in the same group. Some drugs, in my opinion, are illeagal for very, very good reasons, and should remain illeagal. Be it they ruin lives out of addiction or they simply ruin them out of death. I genuinely believe people should suffer interdiction if they get onto a poison disguised by a high. Its for their own good, if they were foolish enough to get into it o begin witrh.

Personally, I find myself the opposite of your thinking. I believe that, in order for Cannabis to ever seriously be decriminalized, people are going to have to realize that smoking a bowl doesn't have the same effect as shoving a needle in your arm or chugging a bottle of vicodin.

It would be great if the attitude of all drugs changed and true human choice was allowed and permited, when it comes to them. It would be great if that happened with everything. Unfortunately, it is the common notion to clump everything together in a group, and give that group a label. Maybe, we'll see a day where things are actually seperated into piles that they belong in. Things like pot and mushrooms, things you can actually mentally and physicall benefit from with responsible consumption. Maybe they won't always be the same as a needle in the arm to a politician. However, I think trying to get the veiwpoint to shift towards one being the other or all of it being the same, whether its prescription or illeagal, is a step back 20 years, when it comes to Cannabis.