your smoking it with the wrong intentions and being disrespectful with god's holy herb, i believe it helps you see right from wrong and it encourages me to be a stronger christian...:rasta:Quote:
Originally Posted by james2theson
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your smoking it with the wrong intentions and being disrespectful with god's holy herb, i believe it helps you see right from wrong and it encourages me to be a stronger christian...:rasta:Quote:
Originally Posted by james2theson
James2theson is expressing very well what most any believer has to deal with. It is not at all an intellectual matter. It has everything to do with the life and walk of the spirit. The spirit leads to all truth also defined as the Spirit of Truth and the Spirit of Christ. If James2theson is lacking peace to continue then ~ that alone will cause him to cease. Arguments don't work here. The lack of peace explains all, and supercedes all. "He leads forth in peace". Peace can't be bought, so to speak. It's never worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by antikoala
This thread is exactly the reason why I don't buy into religion...yet listen with an open, unbias ear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelbay
:smokin:
Either way...Krishnamurti, I think you all should read it. :stoned:
Hey whats up, where does it state that in the bible?Quote:
Originally Posted by daima
This post is exactly the reason why I don't buy hardbacks or read my paper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Binzhoubum
Not religous but very spiritual. If I had a religion
Religion is and will always be subjective, varying in tenets from person to person, even in the same school of religious thought or congregation. The problem with most church-goers is that instead of saying how they personally feel about a religious topic, they say what they assume they're supposed to say, to align themselves with the dogma and to not appear like a dissenter or something. That sucks, though, because religion shouldn't be comfortable. It should be something to encourage you to evolve to an etheral state of sublimity. We don't get there by drifting.
Pot can be looked at in 2 ways with that said. It can make you feel carnal, confined into a sensual and self-serving shell that some ppl refer to as well-being while others call it oblivion. this effect makes one hungry, horny, childish, and other attributes considered pleasing to the carnal mind.
The positive effect of pot on the religious mind is that it dramatically alters your perspective of yourself and the world. Looking at yourself from this detached perspective allows you to see yourself as you really are. It's like you're not looking at the world through your eyes anymore; you're looking at yourself and the world through impartial and uninfluenced eyes, from which one can extract prescriptions to accelerate one's spiritual and earthly life.
So my point is , these two types of stoners that we all know are not that way because of pot, they are that way because they are that respective kind of person, whom pot influences respectively. To give a general promulgation of the effects of pot on the religious person is futile, since pot does not effect two given people in the exact same way. I personally feel I have a better grasp on the universe whilst high, even more so than serving a two-year religious mission, but this is me.
Didn't finish my post before I hit the "Submit Reply" button before! Here's what I meant to say:Quote:
Originally Posted by JMRinFLA
Not religious but very spiritual. If I had a religion I guess it would be Wicca. I think the Earth has its own life force and that any Gods that do exist are found in nature. Screwy stuff, I know. Wiccans are typically avid tokers too so I'd definitely fit in!
"If you are atheist or a non-beleiver, please dont post your bullshit. thanks."
If you only want Christians to reply why don't you try asking the question on some religious website? Unfortunately I have a feeling they won't tell you what you want to hear either.
Nope, if you're going to be a part of that faction you can't have it both ways--not unless you start your own denomination anyway. Of course you could always start your own "bong hits for Jesus".
Your problem is you're letting your particular sect tell you what God does and doesn't like, does and doesn't think. Well, the fact of the matter is they don't know what's on the mind of God any more than anyone else does, (even though they claim they do...every religion thinks they have an exclusive on God)
So you'll have to decide if you're going to hang out with these guys--you'll just have to come to grips with God being a Republican and behave accordingly.
I think I am going to quit smoking.. "As with any drug, if nothing is wrong with you, then it can only harm. That's what drugs do. Drugs are meant to correct a problem, but, if there's no problem, why fix it?"~Beach guy in thongs This quote fits me dead on dude.Good quote beachguy! Theres nothing wrong with me, so why smoke? I will stick to drinking (which I do moderately). Also I kinda believe if God really put weed on this planet, then it was meant for the people which really need it. The people which have back pains or qualify for having it. WE are all abusing it and its not really meant for us. My 2 cents anyways, thanks for hearing me out guys and girls appriciate it like always.
Mr.N out
That's the wonderful thing with cannabis. Mostly, all of it's effects contradict other natural and synthetic chemicals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.N
If you're depressed, you'll be prescribed something for it, but, if you're not depressed, then taking a drug, like Xanax, will make you happy and relaxed. The next time, and every subsequent time, that you take it, you'll become dependent on it and experience withdrawal symptoms. http://www.mysearch.com/jsp/AJmain.j...archBtn=Search
Cannabis, being the wonderful thing that has evolved it's way into Our natural selves, is more like steroids without the side-effects. Pubescant teens should smoke, occassionally, either, during the dawn hours or shortly after sunset, if they are gonna smoke at all. Activating your cannabinoid receptors is, only, proving to be a positive action. I don't see any harm, presently, in melatonin overload, but, in the eyes, cannabinoid receptor dependence has been shown, but that may be a positive thing.
I'm sure there's been times when you've said to yourself "what is wrong with the world" or "why is everyone such a fuckin idiot?" Things appear to be wrong with them, and often it's true. Maybe it's not diagnosed in the medical sense, but how many mental and other diseases does science not yet know about? wellness is relative. someone could think they're totally without need of "repair" when a doctor will say there's a host of things gone wrong, and another doctor will disagree. If you're saying physical pain is a necessary condition for pot to be justifyably used, you're negating the ability that it hasQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr.N
to regulate mental or emotional distress, for which habit-forming pills are often prescribed. And when a person has a bottle of pills with a doctor's name on it to regulate a mental issue, they feel totally validated in using that drug, but many of that same type wouldn't smoke herb to help it simply because it wasn't prescribed. How do you know humankind isn't just inherently sick and is waiting for a cure that they don't know will help? Granted this is an extreme view, but if you want to quit herb due to your cited philosophy, I'd recommend you reassess it. If you were just waiting for a reason to quit, that's different.
hmmm, good point... Very tricky situation huh, lol...
check out this link
http://www.equalrights4all.org/religious/bible.htm
I am a christian, and I love Jesus with all my heart. I smoke the herb also.
The guy that posted those bible quotes, thanks. Those were really enlightening.
My view on it is this. The bible says follow the laws of your land. Although I think smoking green isnt against god at all, it's still a US law. This is the only thing that makes me feel guilty. Marijuana doesnt harm people it makes them more peacefull. This forum is a "pothead" forum and I havent seen anybody here say one mean thing to anybody. Only kindness.
So I think smoking with friends and close family members is spiritually helpful. Indians used it to get intact with there gods, and I use it to have fun and feel closer to God.
WERE GOIN TO AMSTERDAM!
I can agree with you partially, burnable. It is true than many, church goers swallow or parrot much of what they have grown up with. I did the same thing. God showed up very quickly, when I started to question things.......I don't know if He responded so fast to my inquiry, or if He actually put the question in my mind or heart because he knew what he was going to reveal.Quote:
Originally Posted by burnable
This isn't to you buddy, I'm just using this as a sping board...ok?
There are so many, wonderful quotes by men making statements about questioning faith or God as if it's a bad thing. It's a good thing. We must do it. Faith........is something that is tested. We've tried it. We've driven it like a rental and it's still running and drives straight. Question everything. I didn't say doubt everything or just avoid the question..........well,
It is then known. In fact God says "Lets reason together". He is not impressed with ......Chapter titles, and no text on the pages. Real questions, getting real answer quoting party lines have no edge to it, no bite.
of coarse as it relates to any field.
It's life really, that's so uncomfortable, Jesus came that we would have quality of life, and that......more abundantly. It's my own hardheadedness, that blocks or diminishes my quality of life. Some things have to be burned into me, some things have to be burned out. I personally would enjoy a more peaceable content life if I wasn't chasing the BIG buck, and all that goes with it, and just simply living, spending time with my loved ones.
One of my biggest problems,..... spending so much time on things for enjoyment, specifically my house, my car,.....whatever, and not having time left to enjoy them......It's crazy. I have to obviously deal with the fact that I must back off on perfectionism and start enjoying my wife, friends, the house (as It Is), Car.......it is bitch'n though. I'm modifying an LS1 late model corvette motor to go into an old '67' Firebird conv........fuel injected, computer upgrades, dyno tuned, close to 400 horses. on pump gas and 20 mpg.......incredible.
Some of these things are just bowls of soup though. Selling our birthright, for something that is a Meir token. I already have enough regrets. Many fortunately caught in time.......Am I On Topic? . . .Probably not. Good to see everyone, Hope all are well..........Braddog10
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Originally Posted by Hamlet
Hey,Hamlet, This is what He saw in the very beginning. The carved Images of God ...idolatry. Carving Him out into what ever any faction would want........so much of the earliest written text, are types and shadows ~ primitive forms of what would become major issues later. But, the simplicity ~ The Graven image ~ . So descriptive.
Shaping his political views, social, whatever...... really to our image.........hum sounds familiar. Satan tried the same thing. He didn't fly. None of us can be trusted with God hood either. Maybe "PE" can just chill and deal with it.
yeah i'm not religous at all, but hey, next time you talk to him just be like 'god created everything on earth right? THAT MEANS HE CREATED WEED DUMBASS!'
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i have a freind who goes to like a cultish like church which think they r like super christians and r perfect and shit and he smokes weed,
i dont even know if wat i just said makes said or should even b in this thread :confused:
I think I have just found my religion. Thousands of people smoke cannabis religiously, including myself. We are protected by the 1st Amendment, and have not lost a court case yet. I'm not kidding, check it out for yourselves at: www.thc-ministry.org
Peace from the aloha state:rasta:
I am christian man, and God is most important to me in my life.
there idn't a thing wrong with tokin it up man, as long as you de herb don't become your idol. When you start thinkin bout de herb more than de Lord, you know you be strayin too far man.
God don't be carin whether ya be smokin man, he cares that he be da main of your life man, you understand?
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I agree with 'EVOLDEEWEDAEP', with a few personal exceptions. I've been a Christian for 6 years and a pot smoker for more than half of my 35 years. A couple years into my walk with The Lord, I have been convicted about my personal pot use. It is clearly deterring and stunting me from doing all the things in my life that I want to do. This was true before I was a Christian, too.
The long and short of it is, one's relationship with God is a very personal thing, as is their 'relationship' and motivations for smoking.
Another couple of comments: According to the Bible, we are to be sober minded and admonished against being drunk. Yes, God put all the herbs on the planet, as well as poisonous, deadly ones. He gave us knowledge and the ability to learn. He gave us our natural state of consciousness (our soul, which is eternal). Being high IS an altered state of consciousness, no matter how pleasant it seems.
But, most definitely, God being first in our lives is, by far, the most important thing to focus on, if we want to be close to Him and blessed as well. I am still working on all of this, and I know, for me, He doesn't want me smoking. And each time I disobey, well, it's clear I'm not putting Him first.:(
well stated. I have to agree. I believe smoking weed is a sin if you are abusing it. Smoking a joint once or twice a day is ok. But once it starts controlling your life and taking away the things that are most important, THAN it's a problem or SIN.Quote:
Originally Posted by evoldeewecaep
I find it good, when I find myself in a mental cage weed sometimes shatters it.. or at least makes it seem more roomy.
agreed! marijuana is usually the only thing that can calm me down after stress. I cannot control my stress real well and it's bad sometimes. Marijuana is very effective in calming me down and helping me relax.Quote:
Originally Posted by PureEvil760
"Thou shalt bear no false witness". Has anyone stopped to think of all the lies it took to convince Congress they should make marijuana illegal? All the movies made depicting marijuana smokers as lunatics out to cause murder and mayhem; absolutely ludicrous! And there are lots more than just "Reefer Madness".Quote:
Originally Posted by pastor420
I, too, am a pot smoking Christian; I base my pot smoking on several things: 1. I like it. 2. Jesus said, "It's not what goes into man that defiles him, but what comes out." So, watch what you say, and do. 3. I have had many great bible studies while enjoying one of God's greatest plant creations.
I find that it soothes me and slows me down enough for God to get my attention the way He would like to, while I'm reading His Word. It puts me in a state of wanting to listen rather than talk. In this manner, the Holy Spirit is able to share with me things I would not have understood otherwise, and I've been a Christian since 1983.
Since then I have never experienced condemnation by the Holy Spirit for smoking cannabis. I just read that it was used in the Holy anointing oil and as incense for the Temple worship in Israel back in the days of Moses and Aaron.
It can put you in that child like state of mind that Jesus says is essential for entering into the Kingdom of Heaven. It can help you focus and get the feeling of what it actually means to "repent of this life" and "abandon all for the sake of the kingdom"; something we don't see at all in the church body of this country.
My prayer for pot smokers is that they would begin to allow God and His Christ to minister to them in the way He wants to, and begin to show them just exactly how much He loves them, and that He does not condemn them for partaking of His creation.
Realize that Satan is the ruler of the world governments, and he obviously has good reasons for wanting to keep marijuana illegal. If you want to call marijuana a gateway drug, then so be it, but understand that it can be a gateway to understanding the Word of God. So, grab your bong and your Bible!
....peace..friend!every thing i say here is only for getting your soul into the peace zoneit's not the cannabis thats the bad guy here...Quote:
Originally Posted by james2theson
the cannabis is only magnifying your true self;the culprit here is not the cannabis.the first step in being one with GOD is to be honest with ones self...GOD is the one who is going to fulfill HIS plan for all our lives.remember it's his plan!!
Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. first lie... the son of virgin spoken of here is'nt jesus it's Immanuel Gen 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganjasaurusrex
Gen 11:2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
Gen 11:3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
Gen 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
Gen 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
Gen 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Gen 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
Gen 11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
from this story we can understand a couple of things; one the people were in harmony with one and other,each man had bits of truth, went his way became a country, became a religion. so all religions have bits of truth, no religion knows what that bit of truth is .they just think they are the truth...its up to us to gather those bits of truth and enjoy!:postreadfaq::detective1::abduct:
Cannabis has been given to us by God for sure! To be enjoyed, and to be utilized to open your mind up to God, and also medicinally. They used to use cannabis in the old testament to make incense that was burned on the altar in the tabernacle before you entered into the holy of holies, and as anointing oil for it's medicinal qualities.
I'm a non-believer but an over-achiever ! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by brave little toaster
Just kidding :)
Why do religious people use such large font sizes ? Are they shouting ?
I agree, silent leprechaun. I think they are shouting. I'm so glad I left "Religion" behind and started acting like a child of Yah. Religion is arrogance. Accepting that I am just a child, brings me into the correct perspective of who I really am, and my true relationship with the Creator.
Smoking Cannabis is not a sin, unless you make it so.
Completely agree dzydeb a personal relationship is the only way to go! I don't understand why people want to use bigger and bigger fonts, it just make me want to skip past and not even read what they type.
I am a spiritual person. I do regularly attend a Christian church. What does Jesus think of me smoking? I don't know but I think He's cool with it. I believe it's made me a better person, for one thing. Certainly i am more patient, joyful, loving, and peaceful, for example. How can that be so bad? I'm not hurting anyone so I don't think it's a sin. But like with anything, you have to have your boundries. I consider myself to be a very responsible user, and I try to live by a certain code of ethics I have for myself. There's a time and a place for it. If something bothers your conscience, avoid it, but I have no remorse or regrets about starting because I really don't believe it's wrong.
I go to church regularly and I always go stoned. It assists with my reasoning, I believe.
What's is your heart is what counts. As far as I can tell it comes down to this the bible say ALL the law and the prophets comes down to loving God and loving your fellow man. It don't seem all that complicated.
You want religious advice? Well here's mine...I was was born and raised Catholic. Any Church's Christian related are break away's (Protestant) because they didn't believe everything as the Catholics did/do. Do I believe all the Church BS? NO!! I'm a "free thinker". Folks that aren't have a tendency to follow just about anything...and we know there's some weird stuff out there...like the Korishtians for example (spelled wrong?) David Koresh..he told people he was God and they believed him...and subsequently burnt to death via ATF.Quote:
Originally Posted by brave little toaster
I'm not going to tell you what to think but what do YOU think? What would Jesus say?...send you to hell?
Just like 32yrslater:
Born and raised catholic, but I'll just quote the bible:
Genesis 1:12 - And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itself, after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.
God thinks its good. I tend to agree :thumbsup:
Pantheist, though I was raised Lutheran. I agree with 32yrslater as well, you need to be a free thinker. You can't follow what normal humans tell you.
Besides, weed is a plant, a natural thing and, if you believe in a god that created the world, then that means he created this plant as well. And if you don't feel like it's affecting your life negatively, then don't worry about it.