Your friend isnt addicted, he wants an excuse for getting stoned all day and his life not going well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pride
Moderation is the key, if you smoke all day everyday to forget your problems you are no better than an alcoholic.
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Your friend isnt addicted, he wants an excuse for getting stoned all day and his life not going well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pride
Moderation is the key, if you smoke all day everyday to forget your problems you are no better than an alcoholic.
the only reason that it is illegal is because big business can't find a way to monopolize it. they are who run the country not the government.
if we cannabis users could convince the major food manufactures that legalizing marijuana would be good for their profits, (we all know how much the average human can devour when we get the muncies) then maybe we would have a chance. its not about it being "harmful" or bad for you, its about who's making money off it.
oh and about this,yeh probably not going to happen. the police aren't around to protect and serve, they're just there to protect the banks for the fortune 500 companies.Quote:
Dudes of the forum, as much as you hate the popo for busting your weed asses, there's gonna be a time where you need them to track down the people that hurt you when you have something as little as just a cell phone number that another person is paying the bills for yet still manage to catch the culprit.
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Originally Posted by Pride
Without going into a 5 page discertation let me just make this point. Some of us in society think "people just smoke pot to get high...". Some do and some smoke it for it's medicinal purposes, but what does it matter if someone smokes it to get high. I sports all of my life (up till the colliegate level) because I loved the HIGH (rush) that you get when you suceed. Scoring a touchdown, hitting a triple....these are all ways of exciting our conscious beings. You think Lance armstrong went through all of what he did just to get the trophys?! Hell no....he got a physical rush from accomplishing these feats.
If you look at society, most people do something in order to stimulate themselves (get high in a way). When the stimulus for you to feel good starts to have negative personal and societal implications then it must be looked at carefully and somehow regulated. As far as I have known the only societal problems that arise from MJ is from its imposed illegality which raises all kinds of societal problems, some taking generations to possibly resolve and return to status quo.
Like anything else in this world, MJ should be regulated to an extent. Children should not be given free reign on open cannabis use as they are not mental formed yet. They are learning abstract thought processes and the ability to make rational decisions. In an optimal situation, they would have nothing clouding there development, but thats not real; life and kids will be just like adults.....finding ways to, in essence, get "high" and relieve some of the stresses that this human enviroment throws upon us.
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Originally Posted by Methyl3
Sorry...had to edit it and it wouldn't let me.
Without going into a 5 page discertation let me just make this point. Some of us in society think "people just smoke pot to get high...". Some do and some smoke it for it's medicinal purposes, but what does it matter if someone smokes it to get high. I played sports all of my life (up till the colliegate level) because I loved the HIGH (rush) that you get when you suceed. Scoring a touchdown, hitting a triple....these are all ways of exciting our conscious beings. You think Lance armstrong went through all of what he did just to get the trophys?! Hell no....he got a physical rush from accomplishing these feats.
If you look at society, most people do something in order to stimulate themselves (get high in a way). Mountain climbers, sky divers, extreme sking etc are all done in order to feel that rush. The problem is when the stimulus for you to feel good starts to have negative personal and societal implications then it must be looked at carefully and somehow regulated. Even athletes who will win at all costs...this is just as destructive as some drugs. As far as I have known the only societal problems that arise from MJ is from its imposed illegality which raises all kinds of societal problems, some taking generations to possibly resolve and return to status quo.
Like anything else in this world, MJ should be regulated to an extent. Children should not be given free reign on open cannabis use as they are not mentally formed yet. They are learning abstract thought processes and the ability to make rational decisions. In an optimal enviroment they would have nothing clouding there development, but thats not real; life and kids will be just like adults.....finding ways to, in essence, get "high" and relieve some of the stresses that this human enviroment throws upon us.
As far as lethargy at work.....that could very well be an issue in an industrial/capitalistic society such as ours. I have to ask though.....where are you going? Do we need to work like mice or monkeys? Whether your religous or not.....did god lay a prerequisite that you had to work like animals in order to suceed? IMHO....we are all destined to be recycled. Enjoy life while your here because before you know it its all gone.
It shouldn't be legal for a lot of reasons. That doesen't mean you shouldn't smoke it though.
because sum people need an excuse to go to jail so they can rape people
Listen Marajawana has no physicaly addictive properties, any addiction is purley psychological and should be addressed with phyciatric help. Everyone please take this into serious account.
Canuctoker owned this thread. Case closed.
To o.d. on weed you have to smoke you body weight and thats exactly why NOONE will ever o.d. on weed. And kids failing school that is fixable by putting a age limit of 21 on it then kids wont have it and stop selling at 9 o'clock and big business have thousands of way to profit from weed
Clothing,high people have MUNCHIES,selling the weed. And crack and herion aren't a problem sorry but FUCK YOU i am the son of a guy who just recently got out of rehab for CRACK so i know that its a huge fucking problem. THere were days at a time we didnt eat,i had the same torn ass clothes for years,I had to spend winters in a house without HEAT and thats in WI. were talking 5degrees inside and you have no money to get new blankets or clean old ones,I had to cook everything i owned in a microwave because of no gas, we had to go to my grandparents to go to the bathroom and shower because the pipes burst and we were to poor to fix them, My grandparents got a restraining order on my father because he borrowed over 80,000 dollars from them in a few years just to buy crack. THat runs rampid in many citys NOW you live through that and say crack aint a problem fuck that all crack dealers caught should not get prison they should be shot!!!
i heard that amsterdam does have prostitutes but they are in like stores and u can choose which one u want and they r checked motnhly for HIV and AIDS and shit like that
It's not like it's hard for me to get weed as it is... that's why I'm all for it being legal. It would be easier to get and less expensive. And all the money from it wouldn't go to smugglers and dealers.
Just look at what's been done to tobacco, through lawsuits. Most packs I buy have an "Information for Smokers" leaflet in it, with quit hotlines and techniques, etc. That could be done for weed also, through sales taxes. As it now stands, if you have a weed problem, the only "treatment" you're likely to get is jail or probation. I don't think it's even a question if it should be legalized... and I say why on my site\/
you guys make some really good points, and i think its cool to find people like you that are actually serious and know your facts enough to prove people wrong or right.
in my opinion, i think in about 10-20, maybe 30 years tops, when EVERYONE in the gov is more from our own generation-ish is when the leagalization of marijuana will be considered much more seriouslly and much more thuroghlly.. i wish i could spell.
anyways, i think weed should be leagalized for all of the same reasons as everyone else in here... the only thing i worry about are that there are some people out there that when they get high, they are just plain stupid... i dont mean, annoying stupid.. like stupid to where they do stupid things and get themselves and everyone around them in trouble... but hell,theyre still not as bad as drunks... at least they have some mind control left if theyll just sit n chill for a minute.... if everyone would just chill out and stuff and be at peace with one another, i think the leagalization of weed would be pretty easy to come by... but that sounds liek a pretty far fetched dream to me, what do you think? haha
i think the main problem is stubborn people. the people im mainly talking about right now is the vast majority of the people against pot: those who have never smoked it. they take in everything that the gov and other non-pot smokers exagerate and think that pot is nothing but a horrible,permanantly mind altering, hunger-inducing stupid persons drug. if those people would smoke a bowl with a good pot smoking friend of theirs( seriouslly, almost ANYONE has at least one friend who smokes pot... ), they would most likeley be for it, or at least not against it, from that point on.
in the end, or in awhile, there will be too many people with pot smoking it or possesing it or whatever for it to even be possible to afford keeping it illeagal.
im not sure, but some of that might of been kind of nonsence, but alot of it made sence haha.. anyway... good posts everyone else lol
Respect those that do and those that don't, after all it is a choice,I can understand the anti-smoking lobby simply on the basis that smoking anything is BAD for you.
It's my choice to continue doing something I know is illegal and most probably damaging my lungs, I know the risks and I know the benifits.
Alcohol related deaths in Australia = 7,000 / annum.
Cannabis related deaths in Australia = 0 / annum.
It is definetly in the United states best interest to legalize bud. I mean think about it, all the money used on DEA and drug offenders in jail would be used for other tthings. They would impose an excise tax on it much like tobacco and alcohol products hwich owuld also help raise money. I still am shocked that cannabis is illegal and i dont see how it is beneficial to the government or the population at all
The DEA would have to downsize, and they don't want to do that. The prison system would end up with unused buildings and unemployed guards, and they don't want that. And the puritanical conservatives, who now rule the country, don't want anything to do with drugs, sex, homosexuality, stem cells, abortion, and so on. While you or I might say that smoking a joint in your own home is a victimless crime, the puritans would say that's not true, and that you are the victim, and must be protected from yourself. Whether you like it or not.
It's sort of funny to see the conservative base deal with this issue, because normally conservatives want less/smaller government, but when it comes to these issues they want more government, lots more government. Which is hypocrisy, of course, and I love calling them on it.
It's sort of funny to see the conservative base deal with this issue, because normally conservatives want less/smaller government, but when it comes to these issues they want more government, lots more government. Which is hypocrisy, of course, and I love calling them on it.[/QUOTE]
quoted for the mother fucking truth, i have nothign against republicans or evenconservatives, just hypocritical ones
EDIT: i fucked up quoting jammista my bad
I hope they don't legalize it, I'd have to get a real job.
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Originally Posted by Pride
IN other words, you're riding the fence? What a supreme lack of balls. Not to mention a lack the extreme lack of Truth. Your friends "Addicted" to weed eh? Has he ever sucked some dick for a bowl? He could quit, he's just being a bitch/ doesn't want to.
heck...organized crime has a strong incentive to keep it illegal...they too would have to find other ways to make money if pot were legalized...
it's like seeing the casino lobby getting congress to ban internet poker and gambling...they are opposed to anyone else making money in their core business, but are happy to let people lose money in their casinos....
Yeah, legalize it so it will cost more, taste worse, and be less potent. Government-operated coporations mass-producing a thin brown version of the Holy plant. Sounds delightful.
I'm sure that you could go to a specialty smoke shop and buy local growers Hydroponics or whatever... just like with Tobacco now.
why would mass production cause the price to rise/ and wat would stop u from buying your own seeds and having a massive growing operation in your hosue, it would be legal if marijuana is legalized
Once again the logic train leaves the station.
What is all this non-scense that if pot was legal, goverment run corps would charge more for less quality?
If all the great growers in this country could legally come out of the closet (pun intended) how great would thier weed be?? and how plentiful?
Plus, there would be much more grown by honest organic farmers who can grow under the sun and not have to charge outragious dollars to compensate for electric bills and the cost of growing out of sight of the law.
cottage industries are good for the economy... its a win/win situation.
Most likely there would be a tax.
Alcohol and tobacco are deadly, legal substances. You cannot compare marijuana to them. Marijuana is a natural plant that still grows wild in the united states, and it was made illegal not because of scientific facts or because it was killing people, but because Harry J. Anslinger hated mexicans. And he, throughout his lifetime, spreaded lies and hatrid for marijuana, and shaped how people still feel today about it today. If the government will let us smoke cigarettes and drink beer, (things that are proven to cause death), why can't the people who don't want to do that, smoke pot?
There are proven medicinal values from cannabis, and studies are continuing to be furthered.
Pills are expensive, and most of the time they do not work effectively. I have never been able to rely on presciption pain medication myself, because all it does is knock your ass out; pot doesn't do that, it gives me pain relief and an altered state of mind that I'm capable of still functioning in. Pills are highly addictive, so is alcohol, so is nicotine. Marijuana isn't. Smoking marijuana is a habit. These other things are addictions.
The state of California saved nearly $1 dollars from 1976-1985 by decriminalizing the personal possession of one ounce of marijuana. Taxpayers annually spend between $7.5 billion and $10 billion dollars arresting and prosecuting individuals for marijuana violations. Almost 90 percent of these arrests are for marijuana possession only.
The soft vs hard drug policy in the Netherlands is quite effective, and they save a lot of money by not targeting potheads for jailing.
I'm entitled to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, and I would like to do this by smoking pot because I like to smoke it over anything else.
Tobacco causes cancer, alcohol damages your liver and kills your brain cells, marijuana grows in the soil and produces something that won't give you cancer or eliminate your brain cells and make you stupid. God gave it to us, man took it away.
Pride, you really don't know what the hell you're talking about and should probably tell your friend that pot isn't addictive and if he doesn't like it then he should stop buying it.
"The state of California saved nearly $1 dollars from 1976-1985..."
Wow, they saved a whole dollar? ;)
There are international treaties preventing the UK from "Legalising" cannabis.
However a de-criminalised approach would probably be best - like in the Netherlands.
I just got back from Amsterdam and I must admit that smoking a pure rolled 2 gram joint in front of the police was most entertaining.
But seriously, it would disenfranchise a large segment of the black market in the UK. Money which currently funds prostitution, further organised crime and guess what....
terrorism (I hope Tony Blair reads this :))
But we don't have a government that seems interested in that right now ;)
Yup.. im all about the financials.. legalize it.. free up some jail cells to put real criminals in.. and then tax the living shit out of it.. that way home growers still have the ball.. but marlboro can make packs of their already devised pot cigarettes so if you run dry you can stop by walmart and stock up.. then just take all that extra tax collected from pot smokers and pay off the national debt.. simple as 1. 2. 3.!
You know I agree with you except for with 2 things. Marijuana does have medicinal benefits. Of course there are potheads that say this just because they wanna get high, I admit, I'm one of 'em..but if this werent so then why would the government supply patients with marijuana joints? Did you know about this? They arent doing it for fun, marijuana really has benefits. Secondly marijuana has been used for thousands of years with no side effects or extreme health problem later down the line while yet we have pills that these doctors make that kill people each year. Harmless?? (thanks anti-pot commercials for that line). Secondly if marijuana was legalized we wouldnt have so many curious kids gettin fucked up or soft people gettin fucked over by having to go to these shady dealers to get a fuckin plant that was never meant to be in their hands. Marijuana should be sold by people like me, some one to care and love for it, not here for the money but to spread the love with paranoia-free customers. Leave the crack and meth to those dirty dealers. Marijuana is not suppose to be in that category if you ask me (yes I do take marijuana very seriously). So if you ask me I do believe marijuana should be legalized so innocent people like me dont have to worry about going to prison with hard-time criminals. The only thing I'm guilty for is breaking the law, If marijuana is really harmful then I'm not hurtin no-bo-de...but my bo-dee...Is that a crime? I havent stole, I havent killed, I havent broke any of commandments that God set in the Bible, infact I'm using one of the many plants that I believe God meant for us to use (look at my sig). Probably not to smoke, probably made to eat but I'm still consuming it. So America needs to stop with the bull shit.
I highly (pun intended) doubt your friend is truly "addicted" to pot; that's like an addiction to caffeine, mild, but unpleasant to get rid of. Anyway, most American are addicted to caffeine. Second of all, who the hell are you to say a lot of people with chronic pain are using it just for fun? Have you ever had chronic pain, AIDS, or cancer? I have chronic pain, and the so-called addiction of cannabis is MUCH less damaging to someone's body than a hard-core addiction to opiate pain killers. It truly does help my pain, and who are you, or ANYONE to deny me that? I am an intelligent young woman in college, with a 3.8 GPA, and a good-paying job, and I don't fit the GOVERMENT-FORCED steriotype of a video game-playing "stoner" who smokes pot every day, irresponsibly. That steriotype applies to those few in high school who use it irresponsibly because they lack education on it. I was reading in my monthy nursing journals (Mom's a doctor, dad's a nurse, and they both approve) and there was an article that polled doctors in residency and practice who have used cannabis in the past month, and the figures were somewhere around 55% for those who have smoked it; those who polled yes who have been practicing for over 10 years have had less lawsuits and stress-related medical conditions than those who didn't smoke cannabis. To ask if cannabis should be legalized is completely useless, ESPECIALLY in this message board. You seem really flip floppy on the subject.
ok i read the first sentence and stopped. ur friends addicted to weed....hahah except for the part where thats impossible.
I live in a small town and I know two people who are doctors here that are pot smokers...nothing wrong with them.
decriminalization is the way forward
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Originally Posted by nescient.punk
Hmm...Too bad it's a plant and you can grow whatever kind of marijuana you want whereever you want?
Grown people should have the right to choose whats better for them. Prescrition drugs kill but are legal so as tobacco and alcohol. Depression kills too. Marijuana is the safest drug i ever used.:rasta:
If you dont want to do it just dont do! And remember: Stupid people blaming drugs for their problems will always be there. Think for yourself!!!:thumbsup:
yes indeed, you must think for yourself and do your own reseach rather than listening to people and propoganda (which is not science)Quote:
Originally Posted by Smokalotxxx
listen here you non pot smokin fags out there why the fuck do have an account for this site if you dont smoke budd why the fuck would you even post such a stupid as comment on that your budy who is addicted is a weak person and prolly a queer marijuana is a mental addiction if you are mentally addicted =very east to stop its all in the brain lift some weights queer
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Originally Posted by Pride
Wow Im guan go buy a shit laod tommarow then.
Hell if they make it illegal im guan buy as much as I can then sell it in a year or two for three times what I paied!
I look at it like this...
The american government know it dosent do half the shit they put in those adds.
so why dont they legalize it and regualte it. Yeah it might cost twice as much but you would be sure to get the best stuff and we could proboly get out of our trillion$ defacit :dance: