23-1 is beautiful..
Th lounge is really taking shape as the cluster fuck I imagined it to be..
I love it
Mexico ............. anybody
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23-1 is beautiful..
Th lounge is really taking shape as the cluster fuck I imagined it to be..
I love it
Mexico ............. anybody
I'm in a situation where I have to run 24/7 lights. But if I had a choice I would use 18/6 or 20/4. But my plants that are under the 24/7 light are doing fine. They grow fast.Everyday the leaves are doubled in size or doubled in amount.
1st off...Mexico??? what do you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Garden Knowm
Lounge is as Lounge should be, HUH?
OK, back to the BS
I still say don't run 24/0:(
In equatorial regions the days ave 13-11 hours of sun...so you see you could grow 13/11veg-11/13bloom
the best grow I have ever had; I started with clones under 1000w hps under a decreasing schedule...vegged16/8 and reduced the photoperiod by an hour every 2 weeks (i.e. 15/9, 14/10, 13/11, 12/12, 11/13until I got to 11/13 and
finished them.:thumbsup:
GK...while you were BS'ing me...I had a thread in plant problems, I was hoping for your advice on these dying r'wool clones I tried.
You being an expert and all, I though you could help...that was yesterday...;)
As far as reference material...I hope Jorge doesn't get mad that I am trying to sell his book...lol:)
here are 2 scans on the subject...
I will always try and err on the side of published experts in the Industry that have accumulated international knowledge and stature through there undying efforts to teach us; Especially, when it comes to matters that are under severe scrutiny/debate...here's for you GK...Love lw
these 2 pages are from: Indoor horticulture, "The Indoor Bible", by Jorge Cervantes I bought it, among others, read it and all you folks should too!
Hope you enjoy...the feminized seed page I found intriguing...
When you look at the facts presented by Dutch Passion Seeds from their own experiments...This page is why I believe that I get a higher % of fem's when I germinate...I believe this info to be useful to help create a higher % of females, even from regular seed. Imho!
Blue lights and low temps produce more fem's...
Again, we can debate this until forever...but, I am going with the published experts on this one!
that is why I buy the books. Love to all, lw
Read your 1st attachment it says 18-24 light and 6-0 dark will veg:smokin: There are debates on both sides from all the sorces on whats BETTER:smokin: And when working with clones i don't need to worry about males =):smokin: WERE talking VEG not flower
Here is right page explaining 24/0 or 18/6. lw
Look at the bottem of last attachment he says he knows of people claiming 25% more groth with 24 for veg yet he has not seen it so i mean it's option at this point. I read a NORML report on it haveing a 30% incress so where all RIGHT =):smokin:I agree with you man i have done 18/6 for 10 years but i wana TRY 24 now with a 18/6 of the same clones see what happends.....
It's a good discussion but it would be better in it's own thread don't you think?
And it's degenerated into a discussion about growing!
:eek:
Ban 'em, Zandor.
:p
BTW, Great info in those scans, LW!
:thumbsup:
If this subject had its own thread, I might comment that females created in an environment that usually produces more males might also be less apt to react to stress by altering sex later in life, i.e. more sexually stable, a trait which could possibly be passed to clones and seed.
:pimp:
Lol, jealous are you? I thought as much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krogith
And WHEN did i say i grew aload of males? Wtf? lmao!
Why do you make shit up? If anything i said i had grown hermies to full maturity and got a good smoke, but i know i have never said, OR grown males and attempted to smoke them...
Dont be posting bullshit just cos you were WRONG about the hight of flowering plants...
Dude a plant doesn't grow 2-3 times it's higth during 12/12 a 6 FT plant at VEG doesn't get 12-18FT in Bloom idoit it will gain 15-40% it's higth not 2X or more ... and if someone i feel is a REAL Grower corrects me and says they got a plant to do 2-3X it's HIGTH then i'll say im sorry. I have 10 years of growing and have never exp this i have a post in hydro about it now.
Well, your wrong. Maybe its cos you cant grow? I dunno, but im sorry, i KNOW they double, and sativas can tripple. People have already agreed with me on that thread...
Lets ask people who know, unlike you.
Zandor, Buster, Trutle, Garden Knowm, Highweedskunk, anyone who grows anything... Does a cannabis plant double in size during bloom?
Accept you are WRONG... You cant be right every time.
the attachment states that the plant"will" veg either18 or 24...It does not state which is better...(that wa sthe wrong attachment anyway...see my re-attachment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krogith
as far as you not worrying about clones/males...this is just my take on this. I feel that if an action causes the male trait to be dominant, then that could cause hermie traits to surface in female clones...again, just my opinion.
OMG ty we agree tell lip hes a idoit plzQuote:
Originally Posted by latewood
I am not saying you are right or wrong, but the general rule of thumb is a plant grows 2-3 times it size/height after being transitioned to the 12/12 photoperiod.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krogith
Now a 6 foot plant, rofl...1st to finish a plant that is 6feet would take 5-6 months, then it might be 12 feet...wide! LOL...
We all know that the longer you veg a plant...the longer it takes to finish/flower plant; Right? With that said...How long would you have to veg a plant 6 feet high? My Mistyblue MUM is/was 6-7 feet tall, and that is after 3 or 4 clonings...and she has been vegged for about 6-8 months.
Here is an idea Krogith...possibly the only way we will find out...I am going to flower this MUM, shortly, and I can do a pictorial essay. I can tell you this...My 1st grow, back in the day, before I knew that I wanted to flower my plants at 12-18" max...I flowered with my plants 2-3 feet and they grew 5-6-7feet high. One I named 'Mongo' I had to attach weights to hold it down off the ceiling.
Is it possible that you have never grown a landrace sativa...
Last year a guy posted 1 plant he grew in his back yard, and we laughed our ass off at thread...he had to bend it over because you could see it from the road, behind a 6 foot fence,,,but that didn't stop it.
Now of course, as we all know: if you grow predominantly Indica plants you will see a plant shorter in stature in both veg and flower.
this is a fun thread. Even though we have been off topic for days.
later lw
THATS MY POINT 12FT wide would not stand 12ft TALL thats my point it would be a good 9ft Tall if you held the stems up thats 15-40% taller Hes saying it will be 12FT tall just sitting there . He is clameing indoors this happends ... in his exsample that 6 FT plant would turn into a 15FT TALL tree.... he said AT LEAST DUBBLE HIGTHQuote:
Originally Posted by latewood
Thankyou LW. I think i was right.Quote:
Originally Posted by latewood
Just admit it, you were wrong Krogith.
If you dont like it, do what a NORMAL person would do, put me in your ignore list and never talk to me again!
I guess you have no idea that in south africa the pure sativa's can get up to almost 20 foot tall. YES, they are trees...
Lmao, how old r you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Krogith
read fucker yes if i VEG a plant to 14FT it would be 20FT after done sounds like 15-40% A 10FT plant wont be 20 FT +TALL! during BUDDING your claimeing a 20 ft plant would be produiced by a 7FT plant Because you said AT LEAST DUBBLE up to 3TIMES!:smokin: Your Fucking STONED
No! It does not...It states you can veg from 16-24, but the plant only processes for 16-18 hours a day. period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krogith
I know you are agreeing with me, but there is still some mis-understanding...Everyone can grow anyway they want and get a yield...
then it goes to say that in canada and amsterdam...during "flowering" growers have experimented with 6off/12on using 18 hour cycles and claim to have a 25% increase in yield. It says nothing about vegging 24hours to increase yield...slow down and read the article correctly; It apperars you pick out phrases, thus taking article out of context.
It closes with: In flowering...start with 10/14 for 2 weeks and then revert back to 14/10 once flower set occurs, This doesn't effect the yield, just the size of the buds. (less budsites but thicker buds, I believe is the trade-off there.
later. lw
So NOW your resulting to childish name calling. 10 years of growing my fat ass. No way. Maybe 10 days...Quote:
Originally Posted by Krogith
Yes, if its a pure sativa it can tripple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krogith
hey guys...gotta go watch the race. check back later lw
remember, everyone is right!
Cool man, have fun ;)
Thanks for telling that idiot its very much possible.
I would never leave my lights on for 24 hours (unless I had NO timer)
I am not even sure what the debate is...
Except that 24 hours is a viable option..
I will go out on a limb and say that 23 hours light 1 hour dark for clones (rooted) grown side by side with clones (rooted) 18 hours light 6 hours dark
the winner will be.. 23 hours light 1 hour dark
Plants do double triple and even up to 6 times their height when flowered..
I believe the determining factor is what stage the plant is in when it is switched from veg to flower..
A 4 inch plant started from seed that is forced to flower can get over 24 inches... ( i know this for a fact..and you all can find my thread if you want that shows this)
Now a 6 foot plant (indoors) that has been vegging for 3 monthas and is 6 feet tall with 2500 alternating nodes and more pistils than any plant Turtle has ever grown.... may not double... but I am going to guess that it will.. and that it will collapse on itself and be an utter mess.. LOL
KROG.. when you flower what do your plants do.. don't they double in size..
on a final note.. this doubling+ in size usually happens in the first 2-4 weeks
LATEWOOD I am on my laptop using free internet access and I am having trouble down loading your pages.. But I have read that BOOK.. Ithink.. LOL
many years ago.. along with the 12 of the other 107 books available....
iloveyou
YOU MAY BE RIGHT....
BUT I KNOW I AM
iloveyou
Thankyou Garden Knowm, i know that your a pro, and you and latewood def know what your talking about.
Krogith, im waiting for you to aplogise now, and say your wrong, or cant you admit your wrong?!!!!!???!!
Yikes.. Lip.. don't grag me to far into this.. Krog may KNOW something we don't...
Krog and I are still working on our relationship and I can't have you fuck it up
: ) LOL
iloveyou
they dubble size and yes 1st 2-4 weeks he is claiming a higth factor he is saying they dubble there HIGTH I call him out on it and now some how it's a SIZE issue rofl im talking HIGTH hes is clameing a plant at 6 ft turned onto 12/12 will then become from 12 - 18 FT HIGTH no it would be a 9-11 FT tall when done I know that.... LIP your point that a plant will get a 2x- 3x HIGTH factor is wrong.... YES I GET A 2X- 3X GROTH Factor :smokin: NOT HIGTH
Lmao, this is what LW said, you need to read the whole post, NOT pic certain parts out that look good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krogith
That is the truth, as far as im concerned you are wrong, and obviously are too young to admit it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garden Knowm
I do aplogise GK ;)
so Krog// You are saying that the plant doubles in size .. maybe even more.. but it is not necessarily height... It is double or more MASS.....
do I understand correcty?
: )
someone read what i typed Yes , and a sprout (0 inch -12 inch ) i call em yeah would be considered at a crazy Higth factor rofl im talking 3ft + a plants life is set a certain way if a 4 inch - 12 inch gos into budding the ONLY WAY for it to get the light it would need to contend with other plants for light would be to SUPER grow.... you know like i do plants go in cycles all depending on what has happend.... Fact is a 3 ft plant wont be 6-9FT tall if you bud it now IT WILL get 3x bigger in size does that make sence? fuck people don;t understand what im saying:smokin: i agreed with lw and took like 2 days for him to know that i agreed with him rofl
Well then your right, but a plant will normally also double in hight
What I missed?
Netlessness suxs!
Krogith...I knew you always agreed with me. It was your posts after that, misrepresenting what I posted and I clarified your posts for everyone else's benefit. LOL
LIP, I don't get involved with calling people idiot's, just because they disagree with me. I have read many of krogith's post and found no need to post, because he was right, just like sometimes when you post...If you are right, then there is no reason for me to say the same thing. This is how Zandor and Garden Knowm and all the good Mentors here teach...they allow everyone else to post opinion's...
If they are right, then mentors do not always post.
Basically, If you see some one post and after 2 days no-one has disputed the post...then the facts in said post are correct. I only post to say hi! or to clarify some facts that I feel are being misunderstood.
Basically everything GK just posted was posted or explained by me earlier in this thread. I always agree with GK...Love... gotta go.
In closing, I would like to say...I personally don't care how you grow. I only want to help. If you feel I am wrong then that is OK with me. I'm Smoking a mean frosty stash...
I know what I know! Beside's, there are many other grower's/method's out there. Goodluck, as always, lw
Your posts are a little hard to understand.
I get it now.
You got any pic's of your plants?
I'm curius to see what you got.
Hey, turtle...wondered, where've you been?
Jdog...what's up? who you talking to?
I'm just bored!!! lw
Turtle.. welcome to the sausage fest..
LOL
I was at the beach all day today..
POONlicious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
frisbee for HOURS..
ILOVELIFE
I'm in process of moveing after that i can get ahold of a cam once i get set up:smokin:
All my plants stretch double at least...Sativas can triple.
Pretty much everyone has told you your wrong man. Just admit it.
So we can talk about something important.This is a waste of time.
Cool I look forward to seeing them.
I guess if you are able to keep your light super close it wouldn't stretch as much. Is that what you do?Indoors the stretch depends on the light hieght.
Im glad i was right... in the end the truth came out. All you gotta do now is admit you were wrong..
That's the only reason i kept this going, cos i knew you was wrong, but you couldnt admit it, and i hate people who dont realise they cant be right every time, i know im not.
I thought we came to an agreement on what happends?Quote:
Originally Posted by latewood
???? only arguement i had was a 4ft plant wont be 8-12feet tall during budding I have agreed all along a young plant that feels it would have to contend for light would shot up 3x or more HIGTH but once a plant reaches it's 3rd tier of growth and has and established root system to suport it self (teenagers) were talking 3foot or more, My only deffence was that 3 foot plant will not be AT LEAST 6 foot to 9 feet tall it would be AT MOST 6 foot tall if turned to bud (and thats holding the fucker up it wont be sitting that tall) That was my point idk what im supost to appoljyse about? as far as i understand im still right:smokin:Quote:
Originally Posted by LIP
LateWood... Garden....
:D Hello guys...
LW: I've, been, internetLESS IN MY HOME!!! Arghghhh!!!!
I can't take it anymore!
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Garden, beach, frisbees, and girls... nice day.
Take much care guys, keep the world peace in here...
Good vibes to you both,
-turtle420 :cool:
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