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I got your back bro. And Gumby, why dont you as an American go to Mexico and assemble, then march for their rights. Let me know how that works out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>to the right
b0nger
P.S. If they really wanted us to miss them, they should have all marched back to Mexico, that would have really shown us what this fiasco was all about.
LOL.....that pretty much sums it up! Good one!:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by bongerstonerd00d
What did they really accomplish today?
Didn't buy American goods........
Must have stocked up yesterday or are going to tomarrow
Holding the kids out of classes.......
So the kids that are actual citizens got more one on one
Didn't go to work.................
Oh well, the Dow Jones didn't drop off any
Look like ungrateful asses..........
Sure did!!
It will backfire on them all ...including the neo-cons..austin & dallas had a low turn out, even the rio grand valley, nice work La Raza
Hey now, on this issue your more neo-con than the most of us..........Come to the dark side Luke!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by eg420ne
I hope you all aren't this hyped about the Marijuana March this weekend...
are you all gonna find some reason it's bad to protest that??
i am your father.................(the repeb party) lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
the fact of the matter with this immigration crap is: they are not immigrants, they are illegal aliens. they do not contribute anywhere near what they take out of the us. and the most important, they want something hear in the us, that not one us citizen can have in mexico. it is about as hypocritical a load of crap as there ever was. oh, and by the way, they sure as hell don't work for slave labor wages around here. i' usually a very tolerant person, but not now. but, i'm actually fairly content, because tomorrow morning i'm firing four people. i ran new hiring ads last weekend in anticipation of this, and hired new people to replace the ones that didn't show up today! :thumbsup:
maybe you shouldn't have hired illegals to work for you... you're the problem not them
don't you realize that if you don't pay them they don't want to come over here... stop making money off them and they will leave... it's not that hard to figure out... but I guess you care more about money than you do your freedom which is why you hired them in the first place... thanks..
sounds like he is doing the right thing now... thats all that matters. (remember gumby first time warning)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gumby
if you read his post he said that the illegals dont work cheap in his area. so how was that helping him.
good job redneck
it's helping them because he gives them a lot of money... are you that stupid...
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU I WILL MAKE YOU LOOK RETARDED IF YOU KEEP POSTING AFTER ME...
and since when has it been ok to break the law once, not get in trouble for it, complain about the people you paid to do it and them bitch that they are here?
fuck am I living in a fucking dream.. people are seriously getting pissed cause they payed for mexicans to be here, now there are pissed they are here... and you support them for that... what the fuck did I wake up in... this has to be a bad acid trip right??
actually gumby, i've never hired illegals! nor am i going to tolerate someone screwing up my customer base and their schedules! the reality is if your here legally and doing the right thing, you would'nt have nothing to protest about. thats the funny thing about the liberal point of view. you took my statement and twisted it to fit the shit your spewing. no where did i mention having illegals working for me, i stated i was terminating those that did not show up to work. :cursing:
thanks bong! gumby, your a jackass! didn't you state earlier that you've missed work many times from being hung over and the such? your one of the main reasons why illegals come here and can find work. if you got your ass out of bed and went to work, there wouldn't be need for someone else to fill that position!
sorry I thought you fired them for thinking they were illegal, but does it make you feel better to fire them for using thier rights... If by liberal you mean wanting to believe in the constitution then yes I am a liberal and think that if a person wants to use the rights they are allowed by our constitution no one should stop them... incase you didn't know what I was talking about ...
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
since when has work controled life?? we have no personal freedoms and it's because of people like you.. who think it's more important you have people to make you money than have a country where people are free to express how they feel... so sorry for thinking you fired illegals but fuck you for firing people who believe in america... you should go to mexico since you don't like our laws here so much... or go to chiina where you can force you employees to work 18 hours a day... fuck you...
ok gumby, without my customers, who will pay their salaries? and as a matter of fact, i'm a big believer in the constitution. but i have absolutely no sympathy for illegals being here! some of the guys that work for me and my family, more for my dad than myself, are from mexico. how many people have you helped obtain a green card to work. i can name about a dozen off the top of my head that my family has helped. my family still has a place way down in mexico, where we use to teach alot of diving. many of the people that work for myself and my dad, are from down there. the difference is, they all came here legally and the funny thing is, none of them wanted to be any part of this bullshit. they don't drive around with mexican flags. they all, atleast the individuals that work for us, try their best to be part of american society. you want to know what the most ironic part of this is? they are all above forty. you have no idea how much of a difference that makes. they are old school mexican, have deep values, and are genuinely great people. now, the younger ones, very early twenties, don't have any of these old fashion values. :mad:
one more thing. the reason i assumed you were liberal, is how easily you make assumptions about others you don't even know. you made all kinds of assumptions about my situation without any facts. you went from accusing me of hiring illegals to not believing in the constitution. whats next, because my log in name is redneck1, your going to call me a white supremesist(spelling).:thumbsup:
no I accused you of not believing that people should be allowed to protest, and assemble... May 1st has been a workers freedom day for a long time... may day has been a workers protest day longer than you had your business... that's what I'm say... I'm sorry if american news has done a shitty job covering the protests, but they are not about people who are here illegaly... they are for people who want to work... those who want respect and equal employee rights... sorry the media and people like you took this day to mean lets hate all the illegals here and forgot what May Day stood for and what workers rights mean....
blah, blah,blah.
Its tough being a god fearing, christian, white, male, republican these days. And no, I did not belong to the KKK with Robert Byrd (D-West Virginia).
Did Hilary march today ? 2 years ago she declared on TV, "WE NEED TO CLOSE OUR BORDERS"........now she says "GOD would not approve"........amazing.
Senators Boxer, Feinstein, Pelosi.....where were they at today ?? I did not see Senator Rosy Cheeks (Theodore Keddedy D-Massachusetts
) either..
I think the Mexicans did a lot of walking for nothing.
Oh well, I'll shut up....
peace, and hug your neighbor
b0nger:rasta:
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Originally Posted by bongerstonerd00d
I don't know why you want me to respond or what you are trying to say cause it doesn't make any sense... but I don't believe I ever said I loved Hillary... I don't think I ever said that we should all love mexicans and let them in... I don't think I ever said I give a shit about the marches... what I did say was it's sad mexicans as using our constitution more than americans are...
I did say we have a huge problem with immagrants and it because of the people in charge not the mexicans... I'm pretty sure I blamed Hillary for beign on Walmart's Board, and made fun of Bong for shopping there and saying fuck you to the immigrants...
What you didn't see was my post where I said what Kennedy was doing... you missed the post that I was watching c-span and caring what are government is up to... you missed the post that I said that is the only way anything will change... yelling at a mexican will do nothing... but telling the douche bag you voted for that you realized he's a douche bag will...
I said it's time we stoped letting the biggest businesses run our counrty because they only want money and cheap labor...
huh, I wonder why oil prices are highest ever and there are 20 million illegals working here... it's cause the fucking mexicans, right?? Get a fucking clue and read what I write before you call me out next time...
actually gumby, i pretty much agree with most of your last post. peace.:thumbsup:
One thing that gets me on this issue and without posting supporting links I'll tell ya what I found. Out of 20,000,000 illegals they estimate that 70% is Mexican. That would be 14,000,000 Mexicans alone. Mexico has a population of 107,000,000. That means that 13% of their population lives and works in the U.S.???
Can anyone else see what might be wrong with that?:cool:
i heard it was actually about 20-25% percent more leaning towards the 25 side... you gotta remember there are still a lot of them here that are 'legal' as well... there are a lot of them that are shipped over here to work for big busineses... did you notice that huge companies had to close yest?? odd... I wonder why that happened?
but ya, having that many people leave your country isn't good... that's why I think we need to help them out... why are we helping Iraq, but not Mexico?? They are a little bit closer... hell they got drugs now... fix it up a bit, stop taking so much money and taxing so much... build some schools... get some medicine, help maybe with water... hell I hated going to cancun and not being able to drink water.. can we not help them out with that... lets trying helping out our neighbors instead of blowing up another country...
the unseen invasion
in actuality, the vast majority of the major companies that were closed yesterday, had their employees work on saturday in exchange for taking monday off. the media is very good at omitting the majority of the information they report. go figure. as far as "helping mexico out", this country is roughly three hundred years old, depending on when you want to start counting it as a country, and look at our status in the world. mexico has been around much longer than the united states. i'm all for helping the next guy out but, just exactly what has mexico ever done for the united states? the cheap labor argument doesn't apply.
they did give us the southwest... if we're going whole history... we did take that from them...
I don't think we should baby them... or even be that involved, I'm liberal remember... he who governs leasts governs best... I'm just saying instead of spend the money to get them out of here, what if we use that to motivate them to go home... we have to do something, I'm just trying to purpose a different means then putting them on busses... that is how this whole thing started... Just don't think it's better to round them up to get them out of here rather it would be better to spend that money on giving them a reason to go back there...
plus you can't use ice in mexico... that shit sucked, i had hot water the whole time... I can't drink that hung over, i need ice...
I'm really confused here! On one hand you accuse the U.S. of invading Iraq to rape them of oil supplies, having 131,000 troops on their lands, etc....Quote:
Originally Posted by Gumby
On the other hand, you don't seem to mind 14,000,000 Mexicans illegally in our country raping the health system for free care, school systems for free education to non-tax paying illegals, and don't bring up the "gun card" because groups like MS-13 have enough of them not to mention the border attacks.
We're trying to get 3 factions in the middle east to get along so we can get the hell out of there:The Mexicans march the streets stating that "today we march, tomarrow we vote". I really don't understand! Who's the evil invaders??:confused:
here here
No I want them out... I think they should leave... I'm pretty sure I made that clear, but if not ... yes get the fuck out... lock the border, we need sovernty...
but all I am saying is instead of getting mad at the mexicans, get mad at the people incharge from them being here...
and instead of spending the billions and billions it would take to round them up and ship them out... why not spend it on mexico and help them become a better nation... so 1/4 of there population doesn't want to leave... what good does shipping them back do when they don't want to be there... they are just going to want to come back... if we're gonna spend the money why not spend it in a way that will help them longer...
the whole give a man the fish thing...
ship them out they will come back... teach them how to become "what we are" and they will stay and make mexico better...
just like it does no good to bomb Iraq and not help... just like it was stupid to go through afghanistan and not leave soliders in there to defend it...
why fix a problem if you are only creating another one... why not stop the cause of the problem... <-- cause Bush and Halliburton get paid to fix all the problems they keep creating....
Your all for sending bucks to Mexico to fix their system and therefore keep their citizens and gang bangers home......should have Saddam just gave us all the oil contracts for nothing to keep us out of Iraq...since we didn't belong there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gumby
ok, now this shit is beyond ridiculous. why the fuck should we pay to fix mexico? why shouldn't they fix their own country? nobody helps the united states fix this country when something bad happens! i don't have anything against mexicans, but i sure as fuck wouldn't go into their country where i would be a guest as a tourist, and start waving my flag, and demanding all kinds of shit. there has to be a point when enough is enough, and this is it! oh, they did not give us the southwest. they lost it in a war, much like the lands they attained in the south of their country. there is no way to fix the immigration problem without someone being pissed. i would much rather the people that are upset are the ones that are here illegally, and not the citizens of this country that die supporting this country!
Qatar recently (day or two ago) donated 70 million dollars for Hurricane Katrina relief. Around 40 million was donated to universities in the area such as Xavier. ;) ...Quote:
Originally Posted by redneck1
how do you idiots purpose on sending them back?
how much will it cost, and where will you get the money from??
what good does spending hundreds of billions of dollars to kick people out do??
and yes, don't you think if we would have given sadam $275,000,000,000 he might not have been so pissy?? Don't you think the people in Iraq and Afghanistan saw us trying to help out thier country by giving them $275,000,000,000 instead of using that money to blow them up they would like us a little more??
if we are going to spend the money why not try to make both sides happy instead of pissing someone off?? We have to pay for it cause it was our government who let them in... it was the US that was attacked on 9/11 right and the US who needs to be safe... we should have the strong borders... but we don't cause the people in charge want money... so they need cheap labor and a war... AHH... oh shit, 20 million illegal workers and one of the most expensive pointless wars ever (which was started by a lie from our government.. well more than one lie)...
why do you people always have to be mad at everone?? this is spose to be a marijuana forum, smoke something, it'll make you happy....
All I'm trying to say is that if we're gonna spend the money, why not spend it on making someone happy instead of pissing someone off again?
quit the patriotic bullshit and how great america is... they don't deserve here we're the best ever... people die for this country.. blah blah blah... they died supporting a country that cared... an idea that this is the best country in the world... and the best country in the world doesn't spend trillions of dollars blowing shit up and kicking people out.... this isn't america, it's a global empire... I am damn sure are forfathers didn't want us running this country into debt blowing shit up and kicking people out.. it will cost billions upon billions to do that, why can you all not get that??
we have to spend the money either way to get them out... and if you all weren't so busy being pissed at everyone you'd see 95% of americans want them out... you're just too busy bitching that they shouldn't be allowed to stay... NO SHIT... I haven't seen anyone even start an argument on why they should stay... So stop bitching that they should leave and instead try to think of a good way to get them out...
stop bitching to other people about stupid shit... it does nothing... if you'd read what people write and listen to what they say, maybe you wouldn't be as pissed off... but we're not trying to disagree with you so stop defending yourself... just stop thinking it's a fucking easy thing to ship them out...that's ignorant, and worse than them thinking they can stay...
I really don't know what is worse... illegals thinking they can just come in and have our rights, or the americans who really think we can just get busses and ship them back. Not once have I seen a plan or even an idea of how this could be done... it's one of the fucking stupidest things I've ever heard and you all are only doing it because you're not thinking... you're getting pissed and thinking with your dick and not your head...
I'm pissed too... I fucking hate them here... but that will do absolutely nothing to get them out of here... maybe when america understands that and you people stop getting pissed at people who agree with you... we can get mad at that people who do have a say and something will change...
just honestly tell me what the fuck saying lets ship them out on busses does?? someone get me the plan on how to do that and I may take you more seriously... but fuck off... you're worse of a problem than they are because you're doing nothing to fix the problem, just standing on the sideline making ignorant remarks...
and psycho, if you're gonna be a mod try reading before your write stuff...
ship them out they will come back... teach them how to become "what we are" and they will stay and make mexico better...
"yes get the fuck out... lock the border,".....LOL...flip-flop?
to me that sound like i still want them in mexico... i just wanna give them a reason to stay there so we don't have to keep kicking them out and costing more money...
Their government....are you suggesting that we invade Mexico and cure their political system? If not, how?
that's what we did to Iraq isn't it... so we can do it to one country but not the other... makes fucking great sense... but no I don't like killing people, not very peaceful in my mind (not sure why killing people isn't peaceful, just something I could never grasp)..... all I'm saying is the money is going somewhere... instead of giving it to Halliburton to ship them out and not do anything... kinda like Iraq... why not - (from my own post just up the page... read next time ok)
"fix it up a bit, stop taking so much money and taxing so much... build some schools... get some medicine, help maybe with water... hell I hated going to cancun and not being able to drink water.. can we not help them out with that... lets trying helping out our neighbors instead of blowing up another country..."
Why not help the kids in that country get an education so hopefully in a generation they can run a peacful prospering educational coutry... why ship them back to a place they are going to leave anyways?? why can't you all get that... stop being pissed at everyone, it's not their fault your life sucks...
:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gumby
do you want me to list the 3 strikes for you again?
the only thing yo've ever thought of and yes... that's the kind of thinking I would like people like you to do... not go trough what I write and Bitch about it...
come up with a better idea and prove me wrong... stop bitching... for someone who's life is great you sure do bitch a hell of a lot about the stupidest shit...
1st time you are caught hiring an illegal warning
2nd time 50k fine
3rd time (listen) the CEO does 60 days CEO.....not manager not worker
see gumby not the worker....
well done... see some independent thinking... wasn't that fun??
the only problem that I can think of with your idea is that it exsists, just not in that form... but what doesn't exsist is a congress that care about that part... what I've been preaching the whole time...
It is on the jobs front that the hypocrisy of our leaders becomes so maddeningly apparent. From 1997 to 2005, we added 4,300 agents to patrol our borders, increasing the force to 11,100 and making it appear as though the government was getting serious about a crackdown, according to the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse. But at the same time, the number of federal immigration agents who investigated work-site compli- ance actually went down, from 240 in 1999 to 65 in 2004, according to the Government Accountability Office.
The same study found that the number of notices of intent to fine employers who had hired illegal aliens dropped to three in 2004. At least 7 million illegal immigrants are estimated to be working, but our immigration service could only find three employers hiring them.
http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_3771055
when our government is making money on them being here... money from the businesses who hire them... they aren't too keen on kicking them out by not letting them work... cause they don't get paid that way...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in546248.shtml
(AP) A federal jury acquitted Tyson Foods and three managers Wednesday of hiring illegal immigrants from Mexico and Central America as part of a nationwide conspiracy to boost production and profits.
(didn't they shut down on monday cause of all their illegals?? that was in 2003 that they were found not guilty... trial by jury though, right bong.. they were allowed to cause 12 people say so, not cause it's right or wrong)
Past high-profile cases haven't slowed the tide of illegal workers. Not a $1.75 million fine paid by Houston-based Pappas Restaurants in 1997 for training undocumented workers as chefs, then supplying false papers and hiding places at its Pappadeaux Seafood and Pappasito's Cantina eateries in the Metroplex. Nor the $1.9 million penalty shouldered two years later by Filiberto's, a Phoenix chain of Mexican restaurants, or the $11 million forked over last year by Wal-Mart for having illegal immigrants fill cleaning crews even though the chain said it was unaware of their status.
Although there's little consensus among employers on which legislative proposal is best, those interviewed acknowledged that from a national security perspective, the current system isn't working.
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/business/14466774.htm
that's the same walmart you shopped at on May Day too Bong... not trying to say I was right, but... I think I was right....
But I'm glad to see that independent thought.... what about these strikes though
congress - 1st earmark warning
2nd earmark to make money 60 days in jail
3rd time 3 years in jail...
maybe if we hold the people who allow it accountable, it won't happen anymore... A country For the people, Of the people, By the people... not money whores...
They know how to build schools, they know how to purify water.....you said it "teach a man to fish........" They already know how to fish but it's a hell of alot easier to come up here and take the fish for free! Rebuild Mexico...hell no, not unless they want to become a state!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gumby
By the way....... a good way to stop being pissed is to quit calling folk ignorant asses for their comments to your posts.
Have a good one!:thumbsup: