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^^ second time you brought that up (honk for mexico)
get over it, so the guy next to you believes something different
no need for YOU to start shit
theres bigger problems in the world than illegal immigration
into the United States (which keeps our food, housing, lawn service,
roofing extremely cheap!)
go fly over to Sudan right now,
and see what crossfire you and your daughter
would be in the middle of
i have been through much pain to get hereQuote:
Originally Posted by andyandy
i hope you dont have to go through it
So you wake up now do you? You experience a problem with those nasty Mexicans and now you jump on the bandwagon. I've been coming here for the past 2 years to share my frustrations at the destruction of my country (at a much more advanced stage than yours, I might add) and all I get is sneery accusations of racism from the likes of you.
So they had a US flag in their pockets? Over here you cannot even fly an English flag in some areas so as not to offend our wonderful immigrants. If a group of foreigners had an English flag in their pocket over here, I would be positively delighted that they'd gone to such an effort. They don't usually. You call me ignorant, but I am willing to bet you haven't the first clue what's going on outside your country. As long as your house is in order, eh?
a voice of sanity :)Quote:
Originally Posted by xblackdogx
saw plenty of flags on st george's day - but no race-riots....maybe they were going on somewhere else :) :) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Return of the redi
As you want to know so badly, one of them hasn't got a passport. But the judge did not reccomend he be deported at the end of his sentence. Four of the six were let out of a previous prison sentence early under the early release scheme, which is supposed to monitor them closely until they no longer pose a risk.
So, abject failure all round. This isn't simply about race, much as you wish to place me in the nazi box. It is about law and order, the breakdown of communities and culture, public services and health.
What do you want, a tossing banana? I myself flew my flag with pride, despite the dirty looks from assorted scum. People are waking up, as I previously stated. So stick that in your pc pipe and suck hard mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by andyandy
moron, they were starting shit...they will start shit this monday too...Quote:
Originally Posted by xblackdogx
Lawn service, food cheap, please.... after they leave the prices will go up, but then back down. ill pay .25 a lbs more for lettuce to get them out
there is no problem bigger right now then illegal imagration (showing how dumb you are)
I live in Arvada Colorado.... I dont want it to be like Sudan you cant even see that.
you are so dumb you cant even see the problem
I got it pull you head out of your ass:thumbsup:
what flag was that? are you illegal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Return of the redi
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Originally Posted by Bong30
Yeh, I'm an eskimo living on the dole in Torquay.
I impregnate my wife every second Tuesday of the month.
since when did people throw bananas when they're rioting? :) :) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Return of the redi
u should move to the US - i think u and bongo would get along.....:thumbsup:
My name is ADAM, asshole get it rightQuote:
Originally Posted by andyandy
jackpot babies im sureQuote:
Originally Posted by Return of the redi
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Originally Posted by andyandy
If I was to call you a tosser, I wouldn't be refering to your tendancy to throw things.
yeah.....u and bongo would make a great couple....u could snuggle up together for protection against all those evil foreigners.....who knows - it could lead to something more....intimate :) :) :)
no point just personal attack.....Quote:
Originally Posted by andyandy
1. "they will start shit monday": all the protests have been peaceful, and will continue to be despite assholes like yourself egging them on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bong30
2. prices will not go back down, this is b/c of WAGE COSTS: take an economics course and see the models... wages stay constant at 5 dollars/hr, then take a hike up to 12 dollars/hr (b/c of more pay, and b/c of taxes employers pay for each employee) mulitply that by 12 milllion workers and see the destruction it will cause in inflation (for restaurants, your precious lettuce and all other vegetables and fruits, your next house, fixing your roof leak, getting your grass cut, removing a tree, paving your driveway)
3. a bigger problem in that affects Americans is our gov'ts incompetence in Iraq!
wasnt a personal attack...there's nothing wrong with being gay - i just took a wild stab in the dark that you'd be homophobic as well....and thought it'd annoy you :) :) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bong30
Can't we all just smoke a joint and chill out?
This is a hard issue to sort out.
A few solutions I would like to suggest:
We might as well make Mexico the 51st state, seeing as how most of Mexico is already here. Ha, ha, ha.
Or, we could start executing any illegals we find either here already or are crossing the border.
**A great solution I heard is that for every illegal we catch, we give them a rifle and 1000 rounds of ammo so they can go back to their own fucked up country and get rid of their corrupt-ass government.
I like the last one the best.
Just do away with the lyrics completely and go with the Hendrix version.
Did you just say....Quote:
Originally Posted by andruejaysin
get rid of the words to the national anthem?
How many languages can you say GO FUCK YOUR SELF..in?
Hendrix version is good............Your problem is, you dont understand that THOSE WORDS MEAN SOMETHING...........
take the words out of the national anthem............OMG what is this world coming to.
"The Star-Spangled Banner" is the national anthem of the United States of America. The lyrics were written in 1814 by Francis Scott Key, a 35-year-old lawyer and amateur poet, after witnessing the bombardment of Fort McHenry in Baltimore, Maryland by British ships in Chesapeake Bay during the War of 1812. It became well known as a patriotic song to the tune of a popular English song, "To Anacreon in Heaven." It was recognized for official use by the United States Navy (1889) and by the White House (1916), and was made the national anthem by a Congressional resolution on March 3, 1931. Although the song has four stanzas, only the first is commonly sung today.
altogether now......
¿El Oh, opinión puede usted ver, por la luz temprana del amanecer, qué nosotros granizó tan orgulloso en destellar pasado del crepúsculo? ¿De quién amplias rayas y estrellas brillantes, con la lucha peligrosa, O'er los terraplenes que miramos, tan galantemente fluÃ*amos? Y el fulgor rojo de los cohetes, las bombas que estallaban en aire, dio la prueba con la noche que nuestra bandera todavÃ*a estaba allÃ*. ¿Opinión de O, esa bandera estrella-star-spangled todavÃ*a agita O'er la tierra del libre y el hogar del valiente?
i think it sounds pretty good in spanish....don't know what all the fuss is about :) :) :)
bong-
no response on my last post...
did i repay the favor of "handing you your ass" on
the price costs and how they will not go back down
shit, even i can acknowledge when i was wrong
I notice the Liberal media is staying around from this story, CNN has a short 5 minute thing on it, where they neglected to mention that the Spanish version the words have been changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiskeyGirl
English isnt the official language of the US....so why the fuss? 30 million Americans speak Spanish - why pretend that they don't? So what if someone releases a version of the national anthem in spanish? It's not like Congress are passing a law to change it....its just someone making a CD! I could book a studio, record a version of "God save the Queen" in Arabic - and no-one would give a fuck....it certainly wouldnt make national news or motivate people to write long nationalistic rants on message boards....
having a version of the national anthem in spanish available in the shops isnt going to have any effect on society....why would it? Are Hispanic kids gonna buy it and think.."right well, i dont need to learn english anymore - cos i was only learning it to express my patriotism to the country, and i can do that in spanish now...." ?? Utterly ludicrous.....:) :) :)
All Four Stanzas
By Isaac Asimov
Introductory Note. Unless you're already well acquainted with our "national anthem," this interesting piece by the late Isaac Asimov will be an eye-opener. It was for me. It's especially appropriate at a time when there is much talk of tossing out this difficult-to-sing and difficult-to-comprehend old song in favor of something that better suits Ray Charles' voice. You'll understand the song much better after you read Mr. Asimov's explanation.--Hardly Waite, Gazette Senior Editor.
I have a weakness--I am crazy, absolutely nuts, about our national anthem.
The words are difficult and the tune is almost impossible, but frequently when I'm taking a shower I sing it with as much power and emotion as I can. It shakes me up every time.
I was once asked to speak at a luncheon. Taking my life in my hands, I announced I was going to sing our national anthem--all four stanzas.
This was greeted with loud groans. One man closed the door to the kitchen, where the noise of dishes and cutlery was loud and distracting. "Thanks, Herb," I said.
"That's all right," he said. "It was at the request of the kitchen staff."
I explained the background of the anthem and then sang all four stanzas.
Let me tell you, those people had never heard it before--or had never really listened. I got a standing ovation. But it was not me; it was the anthem.
More recently, while conducting a seminar, I told my students the story of the anthem and sang all four stanzas. Again there was a wild ovation and prolonged applause. And again, it was the anthem and not me.
So now let me tell you how it came to be written.
In 1812, the United States went to war with Great Britain, primarily over freedom of the seas. We were in the right. For two years, we held off the British, even though we were still a rather weak country. Great Britain was in a life and death struggle with Napoleon. In fact, just as the United States declared war, Napoleon marched off to invade Russia. If he won, as everyone expected, he would control Europe, and Great Britain would be isolated. It was no time for her to be involved in an American war.
At first, our seamen proved better than the British. After we won a battle on Lake Erie in 1813, the American commander, Oliver Hazard Perry, sent the message "We have met the enemy and they are ours." However, the weight of the British navy beat down our ships eventually. New England, hard-hit by a tightening blockade, threatened secession.
Meanwhile, Napoleon was beaten in Russia and in 1814 was forced to abdicate. Great Britain now turned its attention to the United States, launching a three-pronged attack. The northern prong was to come down Lake Champlain toward New York and seize parts of New England. The southern prong was to go up the Mississippi, take New Orleans and paralyze the west. The central prong was to head for the mid-Atlantic states and then attack Baltimore, the greatest port south of New York. If Baltimore was taken, the nation, which still hugged the Atlantic coast, could be split in two. The fate of the United States, then, rested to a large extent on the success or failure of the central prong.
The British reached the American coast, and on August 24, 1814, took Washington, D. C. Then they moved up the Chesapeake Bay toward Baltimore. On September 12, they arrived and found 1000 men in Fort McHenry, whose guns controlled the harbor. If the British wished to take Baltimore, they would have to take the fort.
On one of the British ships was an aged physician, William Beanes, who had been arrested in Maryland and brought along as a prisoner. Francis Scott Key, a lawyer and friend of the physician, had come to the ship to negotiate his release. The British captain was willing, but the two Americans would have to wait. It was now the night of September 13, and the bombardment of Fort McHenry was about to start.
As twilight deepened, Key and Beanes saw the American flag flying over Fort McHenry. Through the night, they heard bombs bursting and saw the red glare of rockets. They knew the fort was resisting and the American flag was still flying. But toward morning the bombardment ceased, and a dread silence fell. Either Fort McHenry had surrendered and the British flag flew above it, or the bombardment had failed and the American flag still flew.
As dawn began to brighten the eastern sky, Key and Beanes stared out at the fort, tyring to see which flag flew over it. He and the physician must have asked each other over and over, "Can you see the flag?"
After it was all finished, Key wrote a four stanza poem telling the events of the night. Called "The Defence of Fort M'Henry," it was published in newspapers and swept the nation. Someone noted that the words fit an old English tune called "To Anacreon in Heaven" --a difficult melody with an uncomfortably large vocal range. For obvious reasons, Key's work became known as "The Star Spangled Banner," and in 1931 Congress declared it the official anthem of the United States.
Now that you know the story, here are the words. Presumably, the old doctor is speaking. This is what he asks Key
Oh! say, can you see, by the dawn's early light,
W hat so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof thro' the night that our flag was still there.
Oh! say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave,
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
"Ramparts," in case you don't know, are the protective walls or other elevations that surround a fort. The first stanza asks a question. The second gives an answer
On the shore, dimly seen thro' the mist of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep.
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected, now shines on the stream
'Tis the star-spangled banner. Oh! long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
"The towering steep" is again, the ramparts. The bombardment has failed, and the British can do nothing more but sail away, their mission a failure.
In the third stanza, I feel Key allows himself to gloat over the American triumph. In the aftermath of the bombardment, Key probably was in no mood to act otherwise.
During World War II, when the British were our staunchest allies, this third stanza was not sung. However, I know it, so here it is
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footstep's pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
The fourth stanza, a pious hope for the future, should be sung more slowly than the other three and with even deeper feeling.
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation,
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the Heav'n - rescued land
Praise the Pow'r that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, for our cause is just,
And this be our motto--"In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
I hope you will look at the national anthem with new eyes. Listen to it, the next time you have a chance, with new ears.
And don't let them ever take it away.
--Isaac Asimov, March 1991
good point...Quote:
Originally Posted by andyandy
as i have said before: hundreds of countries have multiple official languages, especially in Africa where colonization occurred with some countries having up to 20 OFFICIAL languages.
they should not be penalized for not speaking English (though i do believe they should learn it) there is no harm in making documents in Spanish and English if there is a big enough demand (which there is)...
PPL on this board bitch about the stupidest things, which if they knew a little about other countries they would think twice about the arguement.
If hundreds of countries do it, what makes the USA better than others in not providing documents, street signs, w/e in another language?
[ps: bong- still no response about whether your associations with price levels and illegal immigration are accurate?]
According to U.S. English, the following states have existing official language laws on their books: Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Wyoming. A small handful date back more than a few decades, such as Louisiana (1811) and Nebraska (1920), but most official language statutes were passed since the 1970's.
change the anthem just dont make a cartoon..............
Denmark faces international boycott over Muslim cartoons
By Anthony Browne
DENMARK faced the full fury of the Muslim world yesterday as a long-simmering row over newspaper cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad finally erupted.
There were street demonstrations and flag-burnings in the Middle East. Libya joined Saudi Arabia in withdrawing its ambassador from Copenhagen. Islamic governments and organisations, including the Muslim Council of Britain, issued denunciations and a boycott of Danish goods took hold across the Muslim world.
The Danish Government warned its citizens about travelling to Algeria, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Syria, and withdrew aid workers from the Gaza Strip.
Last night EU foreign ministers issued a statement in support of Denmark, and the European Commission threatened to report any government backing the boycott to the World Trade Organisation.
The fury echoed the outcry that followed the publication in 1988 of the Salman Rushdie novel The Satanic Verses. The trigger for the latest clash of cultures was the publication by the Danish newspaper Jyllends-Posten on September 30 of 12 cartoons of Muhammad. A biographer of the prophet had complained that no one would dare to illustrate his book, and the newspaper challenged cartoonists to draw pictures of the prophet in a self-declared battle for freedom of speech.
One submission showed Muhammad wearing a bomb-shaped turban; in another he tells dead suicide bombers that he has run out of virgins with which to reward them. Any portrayal of Muhammad is blasphemous in Islam, lest it encourages idolatry.
not seeing much of a connection between the furoe in the US over the national anthem and the flag burning in the middle east over the danish cartoons....they're over different issues, concerning different parties - maybe connected only insofar as they concern some element of dispute......
or is the spanish national anthem all part of some sinister islamic plot to undermine US nationalism from within....? :) :) :)
El infierno bien si usted tiene gusto de soo del em mucho nosotros debe enviarlos a los criminales de Europa.....these no es nada pero herramientas para el gobierno del mundo:thumbsup:
uhhh what......regular banter...........with a twist.Quote:
Originally Posted by eg420ne
sometime its not what its seems--translation from my standpoint--Well hell if you like em soo much we should send them to europe.....these criminals are nothing but tools for the world government.......dont trust the translation of the internet tools
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Originally Posted by eg420ne
Just courious......are you skippin' work tomarrow??? LOL j/k:thumbsup:
Nope im on vacation in NC but i will be watching things very carefully this week, my intuition radar going haywire on me....
Hey i like that translation:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bong30
Quote:
Originally Posted by eg420ne
Har en god ferie! :thumbsup:
Look, I have a friend whose parents are off-the-boat-Greeks. The father refuses to speak English, but doesn't expect everyone to know Greek. He has his wife and kid speak english for him. He's some crusty old hillbilly from the Greek Isles (those people are considered hillbillies, like southern Italians, or Austrians), and he doesn't go around thinking people should accomodate his lack of desire to learn english.
So, why do a bunch of criminals who shouldn't even be in this fucking country in the first place think that the rest of us should go out of our way to speak *their* language. Fuck them.
Such arrogance. Fucking assholes. Get the fuck out of my country. hell, like I said, I'd give each of them a rifle and 1000 rounds of ammo and send them back to their own country to straighten shit out there, if I knew they would actually do it.
Ugh, what a complicated problem we have. There is no easy solution.
this is not a complicated problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by krustythfreakinclown
we have egos combatting with lobbyists and throw in the mix purificationists [for america]
we should throw out half of the assholes complaining about immigrants, illegal or not, working in this country: given the short history of the United States of America
The short painful history of people dying for this country. Just so fucks like you can sit on thier pc and bitch about america. ( you are using the first ammendment)Quote:
Originally Posted by xblackdogx
go play hide and fuck your self