i dont think that its a bad album for what it has. i acually liked it, i just felt it was lacking content, not quality.
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i dont think that its a bad album for what it has. i acually liked it, i just felt it was lacking content, not quality.
I haven't had the chance to even hear it yet, but I really enjoy Tool from time to time. Not my fav. band, but sometimes if I want to listen to something deep, I love EAnima(sp?) and most of Laterlaus, and a few on Undertow. A sweet band when you're sky high and really listen to the music.
So what makes it such a bad CD? No one has really said what it's like. All they've said is that it sucks. Is it anything like their usual stuff? I'm just curious, that's all. :)
PRIMUS SUCKS!
You'd have to listen and decide for youself, dude. People keep asking me to explain how it sucks, but no one can explain how it's good either... so you're just gonna have to hear it for yourself. Like I said in my first post... Don't buy it right away, hear it first@!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nochowderforyou
Hell yeah they do! But I think Frog Brigade sucks even harder...Quote:
Originally Posted by stangle12
i think ur a joke, the new tool album is pretty fucking good. adam's guitar work got a shitload better than from previous albums. rosetta stoned i think is the best song on the album, its obviously about some kind of bad trip and shows that they have a somewhat humorous side to their music. the song changes time signatures MANY times and has some pretty ill tabla in it. the pot, i dont see how anyone wouldnt like that, just listen to the bass in it its fuckin crazy. right in two has got to be one of their most meaninful (lyrically) songs ever.
i dont knwo about adam being his BEST. but i truely like this album. i am partial to the pot though, the choral break down is fucking sawwweeet. "when you pissed all over my black ketal..." that part.
MMM FROG!Quote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
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Originally Posted by stangle12
Blasphemer!!!!
pork soda is greatness.
After the second time he says that line... after the solo that follows... the part with the lyric "Leaving things out in the ground, trapped without a reason, leaving things out in the groundâ?¦ " is my favorite part of that song.Quote:
Originally Posted by stangle12
And there are a few parts in Rosetta Stoned that I thought were ok... "HOLY FUCKING SHIT!1" ect...
But I'm amazed at how everyone thinks this album is great... it's only mildly ok... it's listenable and far better then anything being shat out into the mainstream now, but damn Tool used to be elite... Not with this album.
silly girl primus sucks!!! (its there moto)Quote:
Originally Posted by ScarlettCrush
Meh, maybe I won't get the new album then. I'll admit, I'm not a huge Tool fan. I listen mostly to different types of metal--mostly death metal, so they're actually not even in the genre with most of my other favorite bands (Necrophagist, Bloodbath, Meshuggah, Cephalic Carnage, etc).
I have Ã?nima and like it quite a bit though. I'll still at least download this album, get my own opinion on it. So maybe in your eyes I'll just be a "Tool fanboy," but oh well. Personally, I don't think I could ever really get into Tool, because as I said, they're not really my style.
Of course, drumming along to the Ã?nima CD is definately fun. :D
It's not that I hate Tool fanboys or anything... =\
Tool are my favorite band, one of the only bands I listen to these days as I'm mainly into drum and base. After all their previous albums bieng nearly flawless and then waiting for this one, then finally hearing it, well im fucking disapointed. It's a piece of shit, the overall production quality is far worse then I'd ever have expected from Tool.
Maybe it's a good thing when rockstars die young, at least their legacy can remain on without ruining it with a piece of shit like this.
I don't think tool made this album just for the money though, I think their skill as musicians has gone down slightly, well quite alot actually.
the new album had the best artwork i've EVER seen. PERIOD.
i agree, they didnt do this album just for the money. I can site this for two reasons. the first being this album cost 10$. the second being most bands (almost all) make their money from touring.
You people need to understand why this album sucked. They are still just as good if not better musicians than before. But what happens is now that their sucessful, they have had a freedom to experiment a little and when you experiment in music you always run the risk of making crap. I highly doubt they just said fuck it, we're famous and can make a half ass album.
Like the beatlesQuote:
Originally Posted by stangle12
Agreed. But still experimenting how? Influence from Meshuggah? Nah... I think it was very half-assed even for a experimental album. It's clear that it's experimental, but that's not why it sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by fikusroot
And why wouldn't they do it for money... they want money... they need to put out a new album to attract their fans to their shows... It's always for money.
Agreed. But still experimenting how? Influence from Meshuggah? Nah... I think it was very half-assed even for a experimental album. It's clear that it's experimental, but that's not why it sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by fikusroot
And why wouldn't they do it for money... they want money... they need to put out a new album to attract their fans to their shows... It's always for money.
And this server can fucking suck my nads. WTF is with this busy server bullshit? For fuck sakes, delete this shit.
Maybe the rest of the band needs the $ but MJK should be set. He's been keeping busy with A perfect Circle and doing pretty well at it.
im listening to it now, its a pretty good cd, i wouldnt say their best, but its still pretty good. hopefully ill like it more the more i listen to it.
Well, this is quite a coincidence to return to this site looking specifically for a thread about the new Tool album and see someone whom I know to be a fan trash them.Quote:
Originally Posted by CocaCola
I'll admit, I don't pay for any music, and although I'd like to support the band, I just can't bring myself to fork out an enormous sum of money such as $15 or $20 dollars. Even such a legendary event as the release of this much anticipated album is no exception. I found a torrent from isohunt and quickly burned myself a copy a few hours ago, and am currently about to finish the album for the first time.
I haven't even listened to the lyrics as I'm just absorbing the music and reading reviews right now, but I can tell you that from reading about the contents of some of the songs that you may be correct about the concept of this album being a joke. As a matter of fact, the idea had been floating around my head since I'd begun to read. I honestly wouldn't put it past the band. I'll analyze some of the lyrics and get back to you if you're up for a discussion.
And excuse the fact that I've only read the first couple of posts if I missed anything.
so your saying tool released this load to separate their real fans from the scene kids?Quote:
Originally Posted by CocaCola
I like tool, I've liked them for a while (ogt, back in '92, from the first EP)
I'll buy this cd, because I like this band and I beleive in supporting artists. If it sucks, then it does and that is ok because I like them and I wouldn't drop them or talk shit about them just because of a few bad judgement calls.
I have a friend who is a musician, he's sung a few bad notes, written some hokey songs...but we are still friends.
Tool has three groundbreaking cd's that came out and blew everone away, the music industry and fans have been waiting for this new album and expectations are so high for it to be the next savior. To meet everyone's expectations this album would have to get you high, do your dishes and give you head to be better than the other three and even if it did all those things there would still be dicks out there critisizing the high, the housework and how awkward you feel the next day after having sex with your cd. I think I'd like to make my own mind up about this new thing without taking the hyper critical anti-fan approach.
Like, for example, the entire conversation. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by lateralus
I haven't yet read the Tool FAQ (I'll put it on my todo list), but I managed to see said contradictions anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by CocaCola
First of all, how much of the album is spoken from a fervently Christian point of view? A lot of us remember the April Fool's joke in 2005, with the Kurt Loder MTV fiasco (haha) in which Maynard announced that he'd 'found Jesus'. Much to Kurt Loder's -and any other reporter dumb enough to accept it as fact- chagrin, it turned out to be a big laugh. Secondly, any APC fan will, if he'd been paying attention, refer you to:which entirely contradicts the whole point of tracks three and four of the new album.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Perfect Circle - Judith
Well, I'd been hearing Tool on the radio for years, all the while blatantly loathing their sound. It wasn't until I decided to really give them a try a couple years ago that I got into the band and started to truly appreciate the intracacies of their lyrics and sound, so I definitely have to disagree with you here. In fact, I think you even contradicted yourself in that paragraph:Quote:
Originally Posted by CocaCola
right here. If you're expected to like it after only a single listen, how can you possibly hear all of the subtleties in music of this kind (which is part of the reason I became interested)? Sure, someone with an incredibly analytic ear might be able to sort of pull this off, but not your average Joe. (i.e., most of us)Quote:
Originally Posted by CocaCola
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Originally Posted by CocaCola
I doubt Tool will come out and admit any such thing, and it's quite a shame they don't do more interviews. I even read somewhere that the band avoids, as much as possible, reading fan reviews of their music so as not to influence their ego or music. Come to think of it, what about their Meshuggah influence? So much for not influencing their music. :) I heard a few parts that may have been influenced by Meshuggah (Catch 33), but they could've just as easily been 100% Tool. Wherever the supposed influence lies, in my opinion, it's subtle.Quote:
Originally Posted by CocaCola
I agree. Those kinds of solos are far from innovative and have been done a million times, but I wonder if they've ever been as drawn out and boring as in these instances. Have you ever listened to The Doors - The End? A substantial piece of one of the tracks (if memory serves, track four) is spookily reminiscent of pieces of that song going as far as to even completely recycle the drum beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by CocaCola
To truly attempt to obtain even an inkling of understanding of what Tool intended to convey, you can't just 'fucking listen to the music'. For example, Maynard strongly hints of Jungian psychological theory, and, I mean, I don't know about you, but Jungian theory isn't exactly my typical, mundane dinner-table conversation topic. Read the beginning of my post for another example.Quote:
Originally Posted by RevolverBlaze
I think the song sounds great after "You had better, you'd better listen". Really great, actually. Still, I've written songs of greater complexity in a half an hour.Quote:
Originally Posted by CocaCola
I don't know who the hell Rosetta is, but you do realize Rosetta Stoned is a continuation of the previous song, right? It isn't the only instance of such two-part pieces in the CD, and to tell you the truth, I enjoy the transitions between the the intro/conclusions (3&4 is the other one).. At first, I thought 'Rosetta' was the narrator, but.. in the previous track, the doctor repeatedly refers to the patient as a male, and I assume Rosetta is a feminine name, but who knows.. Whoever is narrating, though, somehow wanders or is taken into a hospital, and tells his/her story of being the unlikely candidate for an alien encounter in which he is surprised to hear that the "E motherfucking T" chooses him to deliver some kind of very deep message indeed, to whoever will listen. What was the message? Oops, he forgot. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by CocaCola
It seems, at times, that the album is building this incredible crescendo in order to climax with this awe-inspiring, emotional, epic, intellectual brilliance that we all expected, but most of the crescendos seem to lead to either an overly extended plateau of boringness or a sore disappointment in the form of a very lame -but heavy- guitar riff. I always think of Wings for Marie and 10,000 Days when I think of this.. the former had some very nice, I thought, moments (actually, the moments I'm talking about are duplicated in the song after it, toward the end), and I loved the intro to 10,000 Days. I love that bassline, and that thunder is effective.. there's so much potential in that song.. you get the feeling you're about to witness something phenomenal, 'cause after all, it's Tool damn it - and the song doesn't go anywhere. After all the bashing, though, I still appreciate and enjoy the album despite its lulls and repetitive disappointments.
I know I forgot to include something. I *always* do.
Maybe "The Pot" is about www.cannabis.com. Perhaps he anticipated our bitching, and he is the true genius prophet who can do no wrong after all, and we should all drop down and worship the lord and disappointing albums. Yes.. yes, I think it's evident that this is what Maynard intended.. Hallelujah, FINALLY the instant higher moral ground I was looking for!-Puts finger down in a humble manner, yes-Quote:
Originally Posted by Reverend Maynard
Holy shit I got tired of reading. Just wanted to put in my $0.02. The new Tool album does not suck, but it is obviously not their best work. They JUST got back together; maybe they're not in the groove yet. I heard "Vicarious" and "The Pot" live at Coachella Music Festival. During the beginning of "The Pot", there were some boo's and some expressions of disapproval. But those ended as soon as the guitars started up. And "Pork Soda" is, indeed, the shit.
omg i downloaded the new album and it sounds like shit, i downloaded it because i heard tool was a good band but if they sound even remotely like they did in 10,000 days then they suck. HARD.
but seriously, i usually like all music but i couldn't finish even a single song on that album because they were all SO bad.
honestly i cant even hear any variation in their tone/beat/sounds and thats saying alot cause im a pothead who LOVES music.
so my opinion is that the new tool album is for tools.
Never understood the hype with this band. The music kind of bores me although I enjoy their clay-mation music videos on mute. I dunno man maybe I haven't heard the right songs by them.
alot of times there is one song that 'opens the door' to a person for tool.
for me it was schism. until i heard that song i was much like you. once i had my in...then you see it from the inside out. and then you fall over in amazement.
Like I said.So yeah. I still don't understand how they managed to become so mainstream, though, even though they're my favorite band.Quote:
Originally Posted by lateralus
for me- prison sexQuote:
Originally Posted by stangle12
until I heard that song.....I hadn't been paying any attention.
For me? The first song I heard was Lateralus on the radio... loved it but didn't catch the name. Then saw Parabola on MuchMusic and loved it... didn't even know that both songs were from the same band.
Bought Lateralus... bought Aenima then Undertow and finally Opiate. I am not picking up 10,000 Days though... not because I think it sucks... not only... but also, cause I'm sick of paying 25-30$ for a CD.
I like the new album. Sure lateralus is my favorite, but 10000 days is up there with it. I don't know why people waste time bashing music. If you don't like it, don't listen to it. Thats one of the reasons I don't read reviews, because no one is me and I probably have a different opinion in every aspect.
I got to listen to it a bit more and I like it. Call be crazy but I do. Not the best, but still good.
I am a classic case of having ZERO expectations and fucking LOVING this song! I haven't listend to the whole album yet - I can't stop playing The Pot over and over again, I think it's so amazing - I have never really listened to Tool much before, but that's about to change. My husband agrees with most of you and thinks it sucks, but it totally blows my mind. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by stangle12
Also agree - I should have probobly just downloaded The Pot but I'm so glad I bought the actual album - the packaging and art is so cool. I like Pearl Jam's album art too, still a reason to shop at record stores> :) :) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by stangle12
i agree. the pot is my favorite song from that album.Quote:
Originally Posted by MissKatherineA
the way the chorus breaks down n grooves it like that...aaahhh i love it.
so who are you to wave your finger??? SO FULL OF IT!
Eyeballs deap in muddy water...fucking hypocrit.
YEAH MAN!
Has anyone tried/heard this??
http://spo0nman.blogspot.com/2006/05...0000-days.html
I notice it feels like it really lacks any sort of energy, imo. Ane, Under, and Lat felt charged and there was something cool in the way they made the music... 10,000 is a bunch of overplayed notes for songs... Little to none of the innovative sudden tempo changes... But there are tempo changes... That seem added in or developed because that's what they knew everyone expects... or something. Dunno... A lot of the tracks just don't impress me... the whole set just carries a sort of sedated or subdued feel to it. I found myself wondering if they were on too much or too little drugs for this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by CocaCola
Might be good if I were on heroin all day and didn't want any sudden surprises like good music to startle me, but I really haven't played any of the tracks since the week I d/l'd em all, tbh. I can't say you're bad for buying this album... I can just say that you should have downloaded it, because it gets old fast, unless you're on opium all the live long day... I spent a couple days on an opium bender and I thought the album was pretty ok. Tracks got old even during it, though, imo.
Then again... Some people love everything about it, on the same token... I guess its a polarizing type of thing they did, this time around. Its not that I wanted them to do one particular thing... Some of 10,000 is great and I liked it, just not what I really wanted, if you can dig that.
I like more energy in my music than what 10,000 gives me, here. But, who knows where they are going with it. 10,000 is definately something new, and I still look forward to more Tool. Last verdict on 10,000 would be 'disappointing' from me, however. Then again, it was free.