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i am the same way with my opiates and painkillers like you are with x and coke. I can feel whatever im doin wear on after only a few days too, so a month or so break is just naturalQuote:
Originally Posted by nuggetgirl
i guess some people can control it some people cant. if you can-- more ppower to ya :thumbsup:
Interesting of you to say that, while I had tried other opioids before heroin I actually did just stumble upon it. I was walking to my friends house one day when I saw a peculiar blue wax paper package on the ground. Upon closer inspection I realized it was five wax paper squares bound by an elastic, five bags of heroin. I took it as a sign and eventually snorted them all. It was wonderful.Quote:
Ok, well, I think we know H isnt a drug you just 'stumble" upon.
Then a few months ago a friend of a friend found a bundle of heroin and some cash, so I got some more free heroin.
On to the topic though this whole controversy is bullshit, like politics. Some natural chemicals are poisons; nicotine, strychnine, atropine to name a few. Some naturally occuring chemicals are addictive; nicotine, morphine, cocaine to name a few.
Most synthetic drugs are derived from those found in nature, our knowledge allows us to alter the structure of these chemicals to produce new chemicals. We call this chemistry.
Plenty of synthetic compounds are safe enough for human consumption, just as plenty of natural ones are dangerous.
exactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Nullific
the rest is just egotystical bullshit
like i said in the beggining
its ALL dope
But you had some prior experience with opiates, and knew you liked them.. thats the point. Otherwise I don't think you would have known what it was much less want to try itQuote:
Originally Posted by Nullific
I used to be addicted to heroin. I started at like 15, i only smoked weed before that, and i stopped at 19. I know that isnt realy a long amount of time, i still take e and other things, but i wouldnt go near heroin again. Heroin crack and meth are bastards to contro,l i Know people who are addicted to all of them, so i disagree with hellmandude it isnt simple to control atall. I used heroin a couple of times, then i noticed i was using iy more and more then i noticed i was using it everyday, some synthetics are crap i.e crack, meth and heroin but there are also some that are ok i.e e, mdma and acid.
what is your guys problem w/ meth?
ive done it about 8 times and ive never felt like i needed more
i coul never touch it again and and be fine
tobacco kills far more people than any other drug. opium is physically adictive. datura is as nasty a trip as i can imagine. pot and shrooms are very safe. all are natural. meth is very addictive, lsd is not. both are synthetic. herion and coke are synthetic drugs made from plants. drugs are as safe or dangerous as they are, where they come from is irrelavent.
great fuckin point:thumbsup: :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by andruejaysin
don't compare tobacco to herion, meth, coke, whatever.
Why not? Seriously... give me a good reason.
have you ever seen someone get shot over a pack of faggots?
Why yes... actually it has happened before. And that's how bad cigarettes are... just like COKE and H and METH, OH NOES DON'T SMOKE!1
you must be a real asshole in real life, haha
no but ive seen someone get shot over a pack of cigarettesQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Spicoli
But seriously, people get shot over less so whats your point????
Does it make me an asshole if I say thank you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Spicoli
Yeah, meth doesn't get you that way. In most cases where people become addicted, is when they use, and have to work the next morning. A meth fix will keep you up for many, many hours, and it's a bitch to come down when you have to go to work the next day. Therefore, you use more meth just to make it through the work day, then week, and that is how the cycle begins in many cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by mochil69
It's not a one hit, and your addicted thing. I don't know of any drug that works like that. It takes time, and thats the problem; time gets away from you when you use, or go on a bing like this.
8 times is is nothing, man! Especialy if your just using on weekends. Just don't use the night before a work day, and rely on more to get you through...It'll get you by the balls that way! ;)
Ive seen people rob stores for cartons of smokes.... thats bad
no, but i've seen someone stabbed over one. guess you've never been to prison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Spicoli
Much of the risk in smoking tobacco comes from the use of calcium phosphate fertilizers. It is mined from apatite, a mineral that also contains the radioactive elements polonium 210, lead 210 and radium. Tobacco leaf is a magnet for these elements which become concentrated on its trichomes.
That aside, nicotine is still considered to cause more dependence than cocaine or heroin.
Ill say that I won't do certain drugs(meth,crack,heroin etc.), but I will never hate on someone who does those drugs. It's their life, enjoy it as they would like.
thank you,finally someone sees things my way:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by JunkYard
I don't recommend using, or even trying meth. Quite the contrary, it's one of those addictions that kinda creep up on you. That being said, a snort, or 'bump' here and there won't hurt ya if you're dead set on using it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mochil69
In fact, it's a really good drug to just 'party' on...
Just don't over do it!
thats the advice i give people on painkillers
i had myself a nasty addiction and went to rehab a few months back
not pretty
Here's my opinion on certain drugs besides herb and shrooms ( only drugs i've done )
MDMA - Sounds very fun, but people need to be safe with it and make sure to drink enough water, take vitamins, and also take 5-HTP afterwards to replenish there missing serotin.
Heroin - Sounds like "a perfect day" being high on heroin, but i have to addictive of a personality. The heroin flu sounds like it would suck...
Cocaine - Hmm, mixed opinions. I've heard good and bad about it which makes me belive that it may not be worth the addiction..
Meth - Sounds too addictive, i don't like how it doesn't have any "natural roots". .. sort of like how heroin has the opiate plant, and cocaine has the cocoa plant.... meth has the battery acid and Psuoephedrine.... haha. Also fucks up your personality when you get addicted..
LSD - I have no problems with it, and i'll probablly do it sometime soon. Sounds great, but it's hard finding good clean acid.
Pharmecuticals - OXY sounds fun but very addicting, but some are kind of weird in that your taking something for nervousness to get high... reminds me of kids doing Tripple C etc.
Methamphetamine does in fact have natural roots. Both ephedrine and pseudoephedrine are naturally occuring alkaloids of the ephedra plant. You may also be interested to know that reacting lye (sodium hydroxide) with muriatic acid (hydrochloric acid) in the correct ratios will produce table salt (sodium chloride) and water.
Some of the chemicals used in the synthesis of LSD are also extremely dangerous. The natural precursors to LSD come from a very toxic source, the ergot fungus. The alkaloids it contains constrict arteries and blood vessels, leading to gangrene. This fungus grows on rye and interestingly enough may be implicated in the Salem Witch Trials, it likely grew on the stale bread they ate causing hallucinations, delusions and death.
yeah i know about ephederine... i've been trying to get some for working out.
But... Meth is mostly chemicals... i just dont want anything to do with it.
I also know about LSD and the salem witch trials, fuck i'd be scared also if i didn't know that i was tripping.
check it
everythin is natural because we've created it only from what he have, here on earth
have nothing to add about drugs don't care one way or another about them, if you're gonna do something you're gonna do something no matter how "bad" it is for you but someone said that people becoming allergic to peanuts is an evolutionary thing. I disagree i think its all the antibiotics doctors are giving to little babies that are not letting their immune systems develope. My mom has a PH D in nutrition and told me that if foods get introduced to earlier theirs an increased risk of the kid being allergic to it, because of their immune system not developed enough to handle things.
its cuz there usually worse for u and tend to ruin peoples lives, since some are made to get u addicted i like a lil e once in a while though its fun and is alwase a good experince.
Im against the big four, coke, meth, heroin and PCP, but beside those fuck ill try anything once. Perks are as close to H as Im gonna get.
I agree.. the statistics say that more people die from tobacco use than all the other hard drugs combined. But think about it, at any given time there are about one billion people who smoke cigarettes. At any given time there are about three or four million people who do "harder drugs," which translates into a factor of 200 to 300 times greater tobacco use. Of course more people are going to die from cigarettes alone!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Spicoli
Don't throw around deceptive statistics! Tobacco is not as dangerous as harder drugs... but if you are going to try harder drugs, moderation is key.
thanks greg. someone who has common sense
not to mention I've never heard of a cigarette overdose
Ya you think daggers (cigs) are bad a report that I read before or maybe not a report but I said that caffeine is more addictive than even heroin or meth. I wish I could site it, if anyones seen this before site it for me thx.
what i think whoever said nicotene in more dangerous than harder drugs meant that,
some people belive it is harder to kick the habit of smokeing than to quit other things
i just poulling this out of my stoned ass so juts w/e this
hah some bumm asked me for somec hange and i gave him 7 bucks andf told him to go bu me a pack of smokes and he brought me them and he accedentaky dropped the cahnge in my hand to and i just walked off
hah bumms are funny
I love the acid, and bud mostly. Molly is chill if it pure and flaky made by bringing it down to -9 degrees keeping it organic. Shooms are chill and peyote is great but I cant seem to even trip when I eat 8 4.5cm flowering ones. I have no problems with coke but I can not get high with it and well I would rather smoke a joint. I have had my experiences with H and I dont dig it. It doesnt do nothing but make me sick. Havent done it in three years or more and I felt my emotions get way more real over a two year period after stopping. Never had real H as 99% of the junk on the street is from the pharmie companies and is junk. I hear real H will not affect your liver like the synthetics and will not string you out as much adjusting your bodies ph so you can cycle off easier with out getting sick. I do not do things anymore that make you feel like shit the day after. Just smoke, eat peyote, and take acid when it comes around. Acid is real good for helping get off the H. Dont do pills any more and I think they are all junk as I have had some times I would have rather not involving them. Basically just organics. Bud, shrooms, mescaline, organic molly, with the exception of acid but thats just a vitamin and wont do no harm. In plants auxins are derived from tryptophans which acid and shrooms increase so they are nothing but healthy.
If I walked in on my daughter shooting up. I would not get mad at her as it is safer in the house then on the streets. I would definatly talk with her and teach her what I know about it. Seen to many people die on it to like the fact she is doing it but would not make her life any worse off by giving her another enemy.
True, but other drugs at least give pleasure, at least in the short term. Tobbaco, after the first week at least, offers nothin except relief from nicotine withdrawl.Quote:
Originally Posted by tokinggreg
Either that was a false report or you grossly misinterpreted it. Caffeine is mildly addictive. I stopped drinking soda/coffee no problem. I had headaches for like two days maybe, then I was fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by BestTonicIsChronic
Well that and the fact that nicotine is one of the deadliest natural poisons known to man.Quote:
what i think whoever said nicotene in more dangerous than harder drugs meant that,
some people belive it is harder to kick the habit of smokeing than to quit other things
I think people are getting off-topic though, those who are saying they are against heroin, meth, cocaine etc. that has little to do with this natural vs. synthetic argument. All of the cocaine on the street was made naturally via the erythroxylum coca.