Bringing children into headshops?

I try to make all decisions on my own, but a lot of what I learn makes those decisions what they are. Everyone has their opinions and ways of doing things, just let them be. No need to be hostile. Although I will admit sometimes I get frustrated and post while anger is the only thing fueling my thoughts. It happens.


*starts singin 'Why can't we be friends'*

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Originally Posted by JunkYard

If you think that you can't learn from others, then you are a 'fool!

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i didnt say you couldnt

i was simply pointing out your miscontrewn conception of trial and error

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Originally Posted by JunkYard

I think it's wise to step back, and take a good look at what others do. If only to see the outcome...

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well i hope nochowderforyou can trail that parent and his kid for the next several years

then mabye we'll kno if the kid turned out to be a smoker :)

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Originally Posted by hellomandude

i didnt say you couldnt

i was simply pointing out your miscontrewn conception of trial and error

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Trial, and error 'CAN' be observed, man!

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Originally Posted by JunkYard

Trial, and error 'CAN' be observed, man!

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stop trying

lol

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Originally Posted by JunkYard

Trial, and error 'CAN' be observed, man!

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tru but nothing teaches you like actually experiencing trial and error....

getting redundant..

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Originally Posted by hellomandude

well i hope nochowderforyou can trail that parent and his kid for the next several years

then mabye we'll kno if the kid turned out to be a smoker :)

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Although, thats not the point I'm trying to make..you are correct. You can't follow the person in question for 'several' years, lol!

Even so, you can get an idea from the kids demeanor at the time...

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Originally Posted by CrAzYpOtHeAd

A kid would'nt look at cannabis the same way as you, you have to remember they think on different wave lenghts to you. "why does daddy smoke cannabis if he dos'nt need it?" "if my dad does it shud i do it?" and alot of other shit, they don't think the same way as you,they think about toys and friends and having fun and playing games, not fucking cannabis. you should let the kid wait til he's older and just let him find out on his OWN, because he WILL, and even if your child does look at these D.A.R.E things and thinks "i dont want to try cannabis because it sounds bad" then so fucking what? you should respect his opionion and should'nt FORCE cannabis uppon your child.

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First of all, this is a discussion and I respect everyone's opinion. If you can't conduct yourself civilly, don't reply. It's really that simple.

Of course a kid wouldn't look at cannabis and think about it the same way I do. I don't look at cannabis like I do the first time I was exposed to it and I was pretty much an adult by then. As a parent it is your job to help your child come to a conclusion--to bridge the gaps. I'm not advocating cannabis usage by minors. I'm just not interested in seeing children lied to or sheltered from the reality of the situation in the hopes of keeping them safe for a short while. You're robbing Peter to pay Paul if you play it that way.

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Originally Posted by Nochowderforyou

When the child is a teenager and maybe understands the proper usage of cannabis, but an 8 year old and a toddler? Come on now, that's TOO young.

What do you people think?

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Key word, CHILD. A child doesnt have the ability to understand the proper usuage of anything, let alone a mind altering substance like drugs. I'm glad I never smoked in highschool till my senior year, I would have been much worse off now than I am. I wouldn't want my son or daughter smoking pot on a regular basis while they are trying to get an education.

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Originally Posted by tadaa

I wouldn't want my son or daughter smoking pot on a regular basis while they are trying to get an education.

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now look at that

isnt it amazing

drawing conclusions about a theoretic situation from his own life

congrats my friend, you have a backbone:dance:

Agreed Tadaa. Mostly. Ive smoked all highschool, and graduated top 10%. I'd like to think that I am fairly intelligent, don't think weed made anything wrong. If anything, it helped me be a lot more creative in my writing classes.

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Originally Posted by lemonboy

First of all, this is a discussion and I respect everyone's opinion. If you can't conduct yourself civilly, don't reply. It's really that simple.

Of course a kid wouldn't look at cannabis and think about it the same way I do. I don't look at cannabis like I do the first time I was exposed to it and I was pretty much an adult by then. As a parent it is your job to help your child come to a conclusion--to bridge the gaps. I'm not advocating cannabis usage by minors. I'm just not interested in seeing children lied to or sheltered from the reality of the situation in the hopes of keeping them safe for a short while. You're robbing Peter to pay Paul if you play it that way.

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I see your point, but I still dissagree. It is up to the parents to shelter thier kids from things that could potentialy effect them in a negative way. A 'believe' a kid wants to look up to their parents, and to put them in the situation where they are forced to question their parents morals is unhealthy. Teaching them at an early age about an illegal substance, and telling them it's o.k, while our society is fighting tooth and nail to villify it, puts them in that questioning position.

"Who do I choose"? "My dad, or my teachers at school, My mom, or all the t.v commercials spouting about how harmful marijuana is"? "Well, It is illegall...my parents are telling me it's o.k to break the law"!

It causes confusion, and could potentialy cause a wall to be built between them and their parents.

No thanks! I'll stick with being a good role model for mine...

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Originally Posted by JunkYard

I see your point, but I still dissagree. It is up to the parents to shelter thier kids from things that could potentialy effect them in a negative way. A 'believe' a kid wants to look up to their parents, and to put them in the situation where they are forced to question their parents morals is unhealthy. Teaching them at an early age about an illegal substance, and telling them it's o.k, while our society is fighting tooth and nail to villify it, puts them in that questioning position.

"Who do I choose"? "My dad, or my teachers at school, My mom, or all the t.v commercials spouting about how harmful marijuana is"? "Well, It is illegall...my parents are telling me it's o.k to break the law"!

It causes confusion, and could potentialy cause a wall to be built between them and their parents.

No thanks! I'll stick with being a good role model for mine...

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You're exactly right, it is a parent's job to protect their children from harm. Of course this means yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Lying to them so you can be a good role model in the eyes of society does little good for your child in the long run. What it says is, daddy and mommy lied to me just like the ONDCP lied to me. I simply contend being a good role model, and being a good parent, means operating above the bullshit and treating your children with the respect they deserve. You can't lie to a child for the first 18 years of their life and expect to have a real relationship with them once society no longer has their eye on you. Lying would of course be easier but parenting isn't easy and nobody said it would be.

I place my child's mental health and LIFELONG well-being far, far above your need to look like the model citizen to Uncle Sam and the folks down at the PTA. Parenting isn't about validation, regardless of the tax breaks.

imo you gotta teach your children the truth about drugs and theyre place in the world, law etc and the both posotive and negative effects that can come out of smoking mj from a very younge age...

this way they can make the decision for themselves when they are ready

and wont hate you for filling theyre minds with bs, only to "let them in" on something you've been aware of your whole life when they turn 18

be real man. just real

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Originally Posted by lemonboy

You're exactly right, it is a parent's job to protect their children from harm. Of course this means yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Lying to them so you can be a good role model in the eyes of society does little good for your child in the long run. What it says is, daddy and mommy lied to me just like the ONDCP lied to me. I simply contend being a good role model, and being a good parent, means operating above the bullshit and treating your children with the respect they deserve. You can't lie to a child for the first 18 years of their life and expect to have a real relationship with them once society no longer has their eye on you. Lying would of course be easier but parenting isn't easy and nobody said it would be.

I place my child's mental health and LIFELONG well-being far, far above your need to look like the model citizen to Uncle Sam and the folks down at the PTA. Parenting isn't about validation, regardless of the tax breaks.

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It's about the 'childs' (The childs) well being. If you choose to teach your child that it is o.k to break the law, and confuse him at an early age, be my guest. I'm not worried about looking good to the powers that be, or the pta, or what have you. My concern is teaching my child right from wrong, and maintaining a good relationship with him. If you suggest that teaching them that it's o.k to break the law is better than teaching them morals, I'll have to question your motives.

Sorry,

sometimes your morals may conflict with the law.

law dosent mean shit

lemonboy is just bein bare bones real about it

the govt. dosent depict whats wrong/right to everyone

a select few can see through their attemps to do so

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Originally Posted by hellomandude

law dosent mean shit

lemonboy is just bein bare bones real about it

the govt. dosent depict whats wrong/right to everyone

a select few can see through their attemps to do so

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Which is the very reason I still toke up. I'm old enough to know the difference. My beef is about subjecting a child to differentiate between what is accepted law, and personal opinion about that law. Making them choose at an early age between the two can have negative effects on the child. Not to mention between the child and the parent.

I'm done with this topic. We all have our opinions on how we should raise our children, and what is important to them at an early age.

We disagree, which is fine. I've made my point, and lemonboy has made his.

We disagree...no harm done.

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Originally Posted by JunkYard

It's about the 'childs' (The childs) well being. If you choose to teach your child that it is o.k to break the law, and confuse him at an early age, be my guest. I'm not worried about looking good to the powers that be, or the pta, or what have you. My concern is teaching my child right from wrong, and maintaining a good relationship with him. If you suggest that teaching them that it's o.k to break the law is better than teaching them morals, I'll have to question your motives.

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It sounds like to me that the disagreement is towards the status of cannabis and the legalization movement, not children. No, it's not okay to obey the law simply because it's the law. It's right there in the Bill of Rights. The people have a right, nay an OBLIGATION to overthrow the government if it becomes tyrannical. And yes, this is one of the first lessons she will learn because ironically the public school system teaches kids that the government can do no harm.

My "morals" and "values" come from my heart and upbringing. They are not dictated to me by Uncle Sam and his ever-changing book of laws. The most conservative people in this country homeschool their kids for these very reasons.

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Originally Posted by lemonboy

The most conservative people in this country homeschool their kids for these very reasons.

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lol >>>>homeschooled here<<<<<<

i guess you thought i was an adult

just so you know these p.o.v's are coming froma 16y/o who does very well in school and is quite mentally healthy regardless of the fact that i started smoking at a very younge age

my parents never really tried to 'shelter' me from anything. they realize that i am a person and when it comes down to it i am going to make my own decisions

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Originally Posted by hellomandude

i guess you thought i was an adult

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Actually I wasn't making assumptions of anyone. I was just pointing out that the idea that the government isn't always right transcends political points of view. Even conservative parents homeschool their kids because they want to be in control of their education. I don't think there is anything wrong with that at all.

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Originally Posted by lemonboy

Actually I wasn't making assumptions of anyone. I was just pointing out that the idea that the government isn't always right transcends political points of view. Even conservative parents homeschool their kids because they want to be in control of their education. I don't think there is anything wrong with that at all.

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hmm i guess you mean convservative in the political sense

lol.... i hear that all the time never really took the time to figure out what it means exactly

but idk my parents are pretty open with me blazing so i doubt theyd b considered conservative

Yeah I mean in the political sense. I'm not really sure what conservative means these days either so I'll rephrase yet again... People from all walks of life are homeschooling their kids because they don't like the idea of the government dictating curriculum and values.

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Originally Posted by lemonboy

Yeah I mean in the political sense. I'm not really sure what conservative means these days either so I'll rephrase yet again... People from all walks of life are homeschooling their kids because they don't like the idea of the government dictating curriculum and values.

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oh, then ill probably be a 'conservative' when i grow up

though i prefer the term revolutionary :)

Well in my opinion, I wouldn't bring my kid to a headshop when they are really young, I don't see anything too wrong with it because most likely they won't really get anything from it, like when taking children to stores, they don't sit there and observe the alcohol and cigarettes, but I would just try to avoid exposing my kid to those types of things at such a fragile age

and if and when they are exposed to those things, i will be the one to teach them right from wrong, but ultimately its their decision what they choose to put into their bodies, and theres not much that can be done to stop it without them getting mad about it...

I don't think taking a kid to a headshop will destroy the childs innocence, but I just think if you can avoid it, then its suggested

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Originally Posted by Kryzco

Well in my opinion, I wouldn't bring my kid to a headshop when they are really young, I don't see anything too wrong with it because most likely they won't really get anything from it, like when taking children to stores, they don't sit there and observe the alcohol and cigarettes, but I would just try to avoid exposing my kid to those types of things at such a fragile age

and if and when they are exposed to those things, i will be the one to teach them right from wrong, but ultimately its their decision what they choose to put into their bodies, and theres not much that can be done to stop it without them getting mad about it...

I don't think taking a kid to a headshop will destroy the childs innocence, but I just think if you can avoid it, then its suggested

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exactly dude

common sense

lol

people from chicago think alike I see

i got into a strip club when i was 15 but only cause my dad knew the girl checkin ID's and im fine now...i think.. so maybe bringin a kid into a headshop isnt that bad, not like any of you are going to change the mind of a parent who brings their kid into a headshop anyways, fuck it!

yeah I agree with you on that

my mom was a bartender and I was practically raised in bars because growing up my dad was in and out of the hospital, and I don't even drink, only like twice a year

its all about the parents teaching right from wrong

your child will listen to you almost over any other authority if you have a good relationship with them

yeah theres only so much you can say about this and i think its all been said, soon the thread will be going in circles and that gives me a headache, shitcan this thread

Ya know..If you really think back to the time when there were no drug laws.
Using drugs was actually some kind of Right of Passage. Transcending from boy to man. Using them to find a path.

Becoming so totally involved in your childrens lives, and instilling a healthy respect for everything. By doing this (and there are alot of subjects to cover) they will be able to make decisions. The same decisions we have made, because we experienced it.

does this make any sence?

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Originally Posted by Crimsondane

Ya know..If you really think back to the time when there were no drug laws.
Using drugs was actually some kind of Right of Passage. Transcending from boy to man. Using them to find a path.

Becoming so totally involved in your childrens lives, and instilling a healthy respect for everything. By doing this (and there are alot of subjects to cover) they will be able to make decisions. The same decisions we have made, because we experienced it.

does this make any sence?

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yea

alot

Please let me clarify..
A healthy Respect for Everything, Does not mean Passive Obidience.

Teach your kids the difference between right and wrong.
and then teach them the Governments version.

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Originally Posted by lemonboy

First of all, this is a discussion and I respect everyone's opinion. If you can't conduct yourself civilly, don't reply. It's really that simple.

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wtf's your problem man? lol, did i say something offensive? it was 4 in the morning and i was confused and tired. I do not see ANYWHERE in that post where i was'nt being civil. I was just clearly stating my opinion like you said, and no where in my post was i being uncivil because i did NOT say ANYTHING that would come off offensive. Chill, man. Love.

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Originally Posted by Nochowderforyou

I was at the local headshop last night picking up some fuel for my torch lighter, and I was just wondering, is it normal to bring children into headshops?

There was one guy in there with his son, I'm guessing the son was about 6 or 7 years old, and the dad was showing him all the bongs, and pipes. The store is littered with pieces, everywhere! Then as I was leaving, a women brought in her daughter in a baby carrage. Like a toddler.

I didn't say nothing because it's none of my business, but if you ask me, mom and dads should be doing that in their own free time and not bring their children into a store like that when they are so young. When the child is a teenager and maybe understands the proper usage of cannabis, but an 8 year old and a toddler? Come on now, that's TOO young.

What do you people think?

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Howdy NoChowderforyou,

I agree with you,folks should not bring their children into a headshop,the last time I was in the headshop,there was a whole section devoted to sex games and toys in an open display in the middle of the aisle,at the height of most children.

Children should not be treated like little adults,they just need to be children and not be assaulted with adult things.

Have a good one ! :stoned:

Well that kind of changed my perception a bit

but I never really thought of that because the head shop i went to didn't have anything sexual displayed, just pipes and bongs

but as for sex stuff I think children should not be exposed to it until they can comprehend it, thats something I'm really stern about because its sad to see all these babies having babies, and basically all these high schools becoming whorehouses, they think sex is the greatest thing (and it can be don't get me wrong) and since they see all these adults who don't say anything about it and praise it, a child is going to think its ok right off the bat, and no one really ever says anything about it until its too late....

and it doesn't help that school makes it sound like its ok to do it, as long as you wear a rubber, and my school is pushing that idea

and we have a high drop out rate due to pregnancy

this topic is making me think we should have a debate forum, but I know we won't because there will be too much drama :(

Howdy Kryzco,

Thanx for yer thoughtful and considered response to the subject of sex displays in headshops and the general issue about when it's appropriate for children to be exposed to sexual matters and issues.

Have a good one ! :stoned:

I don't think kids should be allowed into head shops there should be a minimum age of 16 to go in there.

I like cheese.

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Originally Posted by Trichocereus Panza

daima I think I agree with you, and it seems we are in the minority. At least in an ideal world, no one should have to hide responsible drug use from people of any age. We have all been a little scared by stories of kids ratting out their parents after the DARE program, but c'mon for the most part your kids trust you.

It's a natural plant and it's natural to see people smoking different kinds of plants (kids don't generally know the difference between say tobacco and weed). I agree that they should see it as a normal thing from an early age, even if they aren't allowed to try it for a while. The problem is living in a society that frowns upon it, not that marijuana itself is bad or should be hidden for a long time. Of course it is confusing for kids growing up with DARE, teachers and other parents on one side, and healthy and happy cannabis users on the other side---but I'm not sure the correct remedy to that confusion is hiding the healthy-and-happy aspect from them until they are "ready" to understand. If anything, I think it would ideally be better if you could protect them from all the negative propaganda surrounding drugs until they're old enough to understand it's just propaganda.

That said, it's still a difficult issue for everyone and I'm not sure at all yet how I will handle it when I'm a parent. But if YOU don't take them into the headshops, their older friends will first, and eventually you will seem like you were being dishonest with them.

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I told my kids what Marijuana is. They heard my views and they heard the views of the rest of the world. I proudly came out on top. Truth prevails over lies, mis-information and propaganda every time. We just have to have the courage to tell them the truth.
If you and i are the minority, then sobeit. Long live those who tell the truth, even if our numbers are small. Here's to us who dont fit in, and i hope that we never do.:thumbsup:

dai*ma:stoned: