Why the Terrorists Have Already Won

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Originally Posted by mrdevious

No offense man, but I can't believe you (or anybody) actually buys that shit Bush is selling that terrorists are just attacking America because they "hate freedom." If that were the case there's other nations out there that are a lot more free, but this is certianly a good method of winning over the american public by making it an issue of their most valued part of US society.

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Not Bush, 9/11 Commissions report.

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Originally Posted by TakeFlight

Yeah well im not suprised as most americans are large so yeah that makes you fit the description perfectly.

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oh so your saying were large cause of a stupid stereotype? somethinkg you read or heard on tv come on! do you live in the us, if not i think you need to shut up cause that was just an idiot responsce; having nothing to do with the subject at hand.

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Originally Posted by TakeFlight

Believe me im not saying i dont think for myself or that you dont but what im trying to say is that you dont really have any idea if what they are saying is a load of shit or not.

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well you may think for yourself but what are you basing your conclusion on, just cause you can think doesnt mean your coming up with the right answer!

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Originally Posted by TakeFlight

How do you know if it or isnt bullshit???? Do you have a tap into the political pipeline???? Just because you dont believe it doesnt take away the fact that they are making you out to look like a fucking fool to the world, just because you dont believe it doesnt take away the fact then they still think of you as a fool by telling you it in the first place.

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you know, that to the U.S. most other countrys look like bunch of idiots! it works both ways! how do you know your information is correct about us and your own country(?) or government, do you have a pipeline?? you arguement sounds like bs to me.

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Originally Posted by altagidSigh

: I hope I dont lose any friends over this. I am not exactly flavor of the week as it is LOL

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lol i know what you mean its just like people to get mad for an honest opinion!
though i happen to agree with yours!

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Originally Posted by Casper

Hey KoRn, do you play Madden and use the Steelers????????

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Yeah...wtf? Who is this? lol

Israel is Proof Positive Racial Profiling Works, they search ALL muslims that get onto their Airliner, and they have not had 1 single Hijacking since.

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Originally Posted by imagoober

oh so your saying were large cause of a stupid stereotype? somethinkg you read or heard on tv come on! do you live in the us, if not i think you need to shut up cause that was just an idiot responsce; having nothing to do with the subject at hand.



well you may think for yourself but what are you basing your conclusion on, just cause you can think doesnt mean your coming up with the right answer!



you know, that to the U.S. most other countrys look like bunch of idiots! it works both ways! how do you know your information is correct about us and your own country(?) or government, do you have a pipeline?? you arguement sounds like bs to me.



lol i know what you mean its just like people to get mad for an honest opinion!
though i happen to agree with yours!

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Obviously you are a fucking moron, i do live in the US and it has the fattest population EVER, you dont know shit obviously


"well you may think for yourself but what are you basing your conclusion on, just cause you can think doesnt mean your coming up with the right answer!"

i dont know why you quoted me and had that response, doesnt make sense so why dont you think before you speak...errr...post fuckface, obviously your talking out of your ass, the habit most americans have

"you know, that to the U.S. most other countrys look like bunch of idiots! it works both ways! how do you know your information is correct about us and your own country(?) or government, do you have a pipeline?? you arguement sounds like bs to me."

I dont see you having a rebuttal to my statement so if you wanna play like that i can say the same thing about you, how do you know your information is correct, your arguement sounds like bs to me... what a fuckface.... if you dont want to get a response like this then dont reply to my posts anymore.... you are the typical shit eating dick licking american....while your down there why dont you go ahead and polish GWB nutsack...nuff said

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

The black slaves started calling the white slaves (a polite word is "indentured servents") "Rednecks". The little-known story of the slavery of many whites in America has been suppressed. The Redneck Manifesto, by Jim Goad, is an excellent, entertaining, informative, book. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/068...lance&n=283155

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Thanks for the link ..

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Originally Posted by TakeFlight

talking out of your ass,

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like-wise fuckface, you shit eating dick licking american! you sound to stupid to hold a conversation with!

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Originally Posted by Flesh420

Bush want people to be affraid. So he uses all of this terriorist bs to run this country the way he wants and hes getting away with it. Im sure our gov had some involvment in 9/11 no matter what anyone says theres all kinds of give aways. But people choose to belive that it was all osama and what not.

The solution is simple, we need to over throw this corrupt government and do what george washington had invisiond for this country. Not to bully other countries and shit this is just a prime example of what the UN has in store and what there intent is. Cant people in this country read between the lines?

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Taliban put into power by US
Pinochet supported by the US
Dictators are fine as long as they help the US in some way.
The US interferes in too many countries and then when the shit hits the fan they blame everything else.
I agree man you should be taking care of shit back home instead of in other countries.

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Originally Posted by imagoober

oh so your saying were large cause of a stupid stereotype? somethinkg you read or heard on tv come on! do you live in the us, if not i think you need to shut up cause that was just an idiot responsce; having nothing to do with the subject at hand.

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after i read that i realized you are a fucking douchebag,it doesnt have anything to do with the subject at hand but it proves you either are just defending your own fatass or you think americans arent fat lazy slobs and therefore it disproves your credibility, either way i dont see why you defend this straight up stupid bias country like it was your mother, hey if you wanna go do some good why dont you go join the military, ha:thumbsup:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+change+9%2F11

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Originally Posted by SyR1S

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+change+9%2F11

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You dont know the credibility of this guy so who really knows, although i wouldnt be suprised, the guy seems a bit whack

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Originally Posted by Shelbay

What are you talking about the South for?? What is with that crap?? If the South had won the war we wouldn't be governed by the Feds! That is what the start of the war between states was really about...not slavery..I don't know where you are from but I am sure you know I am from the South and we don't all want him here ty very much...read up on your history before you start the same old tired sterotype about Southerners!

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What would you recommend to read on Southern History?

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Originally Posted by altagid

What would you recommend to read on Southern History?

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You could google and find all kind of books and information that is not distorted about the war..I have actually read Slavery,Secession and Southern History-Robert Paquette..it would be a good one..and maybe you should try starting with A History of the South by Francis Butler Simkins..for the basic to start with...and Gone With The Wind of course. It just gets really tiresome when your a Southerner and know your history (as I am sure you know yours) and people can't get past the slavery part of that time..the war was not started because of slavery...and my post was in reply to a prior poster that said in a way he wished the South would have won the war and started with the traditional name calling of redneck and hick I believe and that we could have GW ...as I said if the South had won I am sure MJ would be legal now..slavery was evil and wrong but not ALL Southerners owned slaves..most didn't even own plantations..I think it was like 10% at the start of the war. If your truly interested in this I have books that are no longer published and have been out of circulation for a while..pc of course..but try google and if you want to actually read beyond the basics I can give you more...it is just irony that we still get ridiculed to this day but look at who put the Government in Power to control this Country and others...wasn't us...we tried fighting that..and I don't call it the civil war because it was anything but civil. It's long over with but read some truth about that war...they didn't just win the war they almost destroyed the South..yep won the war and humbled us. There is also a book called Old Tannehill..it is so realistic you can picture the union attack on the Tannehill Furnaces which were vital to the Confederacy. Tannehill is a State Park now and you should visit one day....talk about "feeling" ghosts of the past..it is an experience..there was not alot of killing that day just burning Tannehill and whatever was in their path..most everyone including the slaves had left before the Union arrived..it tells in the book about a Southern Woman named Mary Gordon Duffee was hiding in an attic when she overheard the order being given to destroy Tannehill..she rode her horse and walked 25 miles to warn of the attack so it was deserted when they arrived...okay I am stopping now..I get on this subject and I could talk and listen for days.

Theres a lot of books out there - most of them are crap IMO. I will look for Paquette's book - thanks! :thumbsup:

Civil wars tend to be the most vicious and nastiest of wars.

I actually have thought of going to Tannehill but I am not sure I speak the language. I have a couple of videos of an annual smithing meet at Tannehill - cannot understand what some of those guys are saying! LOL

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Originally Posted by altagid

Theres a lot of books out there - most of them are crap IMO. I will look for Paquette's book - thanks! :thumbsup:

Civil wars tend to be the most vicious and nastiest of wars.

I actually have thought of going to Tannehill but I am not sure I speak the language. I have a couple of videos of an annual smithing meet at Tannehill - cannot understand what some of those guys are saying! LOL

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No way! You know about Tannehill??!! Now you have my interest lol:) You don't understand the Southern accent? lol...you understood me when we talked? When I visit NY and some of the NE States..I am asked to repeat myself at average 3 times before it is understood..I can go to LA and my friends have a bad habit of asking me to say "ice" & "sprite" just so they can laugh. Wow..you know about Tannehill...if you ever make it to the point you visit AL I'll take y'all to Tannehill..I didn't know you had that interest..well I am at a loss for words now..you like doing that to people don't you? :p If you want a copy of the book I will send you one..it even has a very rare pic in it of all 3 furnaces still standing and an old steam engine put in by Sanders in 1863....and your right most of the available books are crap but some are out that tells about the misconceptions,myths,lies etc...about that war...you really caught me off guard knowing about Tannehill....and your not a Southerner.;)

Angel, your recommendation is all I need. Ill see if I can find it. I know about Tannehill only because of the metalworking interest not because I know anything about the South.

As for comprehension: well these are very poor quality tapes and there is a lot of noisy machinery - plus the one old geezer that I really would have liked to understand had taken his teeth out and put them in his pocket before he picked up his hammer - I guess this was his standard work practice but that together with his accent and the noise I have no clue what he was saying.

Also once I happened to be in Georgia and stopped at a gas station to ask directions. There was a crowd of people in there and they all wanted to help and I couldnt make heads or tails of their instructions. But such nice people all of them! I had difficulty telling where one word ended and another started. One guy even followed me out to the car to explain that the others handnt gotten it quite right , I got that much but again the rest was a mystery. I fled , finally found a quiet spot to pull over and study the map. :)

Now you see..you said that in a nice way..not what you say but how you say it.:) You got a good dose of Southern Hospitality huh LMBO:thumbsup: haha..I bet you were totally confused lol.. I learned one thing about the old geezers though..those men are strong...the ones that do that kind of work..and alot of people in Alabama for some reason have no teeth or have dentures...I even see small children that have black rotten teeth at an early age...and its predominant in the South really..because I do travel and it doesn't seem to be that way in other states I have been through....one of my hangups I guess it could be called..I don't understand how people put thousand of dollars in clothes,jewelry,shoes etc...on but put no money in their mouth...anyway if you ever again need "help" with directions (lol) just call me and I will "decode" for you.:) You make me laugh altagid. Oh before I forget again..have you read the thread about the MMM in California? Please read it okay...and maybe you and your wife could go..I think my husband is going to say yes..I don't know though..we might need a translator if we meet and I start talking...haha..time for a good one now..you have me laughing.:)

CASPER -- do I know you?

I believe that this war has a few different objectives:

Align or control the worlds oil
To show terrorists we mean business

Everything else is a smoke screen

If you want to fight a terrorist. You hunt em down one be one

You dont send a whole military to THEIR land and not expect for the people of that land and the surrounding areas not be pissed. We are breeding terrorist with this action.

GOOD JOB AMERICA

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power.

Franklin D. Roosevelt, 1938


When the people fear the government you have tyranny.
When the government fears the people you have democracy.

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Originally Posted by KoRnStaR

CASPER -- do I know you?

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We have never really communicated but I reconize you from MM! I don't even visit the boards over there anymore but my name is Lion Lifer!

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Originally Posted by Casper

We have never really communicated but I reconize you from MM! I don't even visit the boards over there anymore but my name is Lion Lifer!

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Haha, yeah -- I remember your name.

You like that herb man?

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Originally Posted by geonagual

I believe that this war has a few different objectives:

Align or control the worlds oil
To show terrorists we mean business

Everything else is a smoke screen

If you want to fight a terrorist. You hunt em down one be one

You dont send a whole military to THEIR land and not expect for the people of that land and the surrounding areas not be pissed. We are breeding terrorist with this action.

GOOD JOB AMERICA

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I have to agree in part, the terrorists were put into power in Afghanistan (Taliban) with the help of the CIA under the pretext of helping them repel the Russian invaders.

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Originally Posted by geonagual

I believe that this war has a few different objectives:

Align or control the worlds oil
To show terrorists we mean business

Everything else is a smoke screen

If you want to fight a terrorist. You hunt em down one be one

You dont send a whole military to THEIR land and not expect for the people of that land and the surrounding areas not be pissed. We are breeding terrorist with this action.

GOOD JOB AMERICA

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America? America is still my country and not ALL Americans are responsible for our Governments actions whether "right" or "wrong"....that's why I wonder if there is "civilization"..books..not myths but truth..a hundred years from now..will we as americans be viewed as Germans were after Hitler? America is already being viewed/compared to the SS Germany years...wonder how many Americans will be castigated by others while being taken out of their homes in the middle of the night by their "own" government? The truth is millions of people have opinions on THIS war but nothing is being done to question,challenge our current government..and when the questions do start..they very quickly go away....I really thought I was just paranoid until I started coming to this board..I may not agree with the posters all the time but alot of you make me and others think outside of the box so to speak when we become lazy and don't want to think but should be using our active brain cells.

Sorry about double post but I couldn't edit...the rest of what I was wanting to say/ask is that my main problem is the thousands of American Men/Women that are being flown home "under the cover of darkness" broken physically and mentally...the dead being flown home...if America has the knowledge and power to find and stop the true threats/terrorists why not just do what needs to be done and finish it..this war is like slow torture for some Americans...and the innocent people in Iraq being destroyed by this war also...when is it going to end and this Country go forward again? We can't even get a plant legalized..we have become a joke thats not funny anymore...what can an American legally do these days to make a difference? I don't know..and haven't seen any positive posts on activism for real. Yes there are MANY people and countries that would love to see America brought to her knees so I hope our Government is really doing what is in our best interest..but they need to finish what they started and bring Americans on home....and legalize MJ...

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Originally Posted by Shelbay

Sorry about double post but I couldn't edit...the rest of what I was wanting to say/ask is that my main problem is the thousands of American Men/Women that are being flown home "under the cover of darkness" broken physically and mentally...the dead being flown home...if America has the knowledge and power to find and stop the true threats/terrorists why not just do what needs to be done and finish it..this war is like slow torture for some Americans...and the innocent people in Iraq being destroyed by this war also...when is it going to end and this Country go forward again? We can't even get a plant legalized..we have become a joke thats not funny anymore...what can an American legally do these days to make a difference? I don't know..and haven't seen any positive posts on activism for real. Yes there are MANY people and countries that would love to see America brought to her knees so I hope our Government is really doing what is in our best interest..but they need to finish what they started and bring Americans on home....and legalize MJ...

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I know. Whatever happened to the protests of the late 60's/early 70's for Vietnam. Those protesters had a huge influence on stopping that war.

I think america's youth and for that matter everyone else. Have been desensitized (sp?) by television and movies and think that the war and everything else that goes on in the world is part of a movie script and they can just sit back and eat their popcorn.

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Originally Posted by KoRnStaR

Haha, yeah -- I remember your name.

You like that herb man?

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Hell yeah!! It sucks in Detroit right now I can only find average to bullshit buds, shit sucks in this City!!!

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Originally Posted by geonagual

I know. Whatever happened to the protests of the late 60's/early 70's for Vietnam. Those protesters had a huge influence on stopping that war.

I think america's youth and for that matter everyone else. Have been desensitized (sp?) by television and movies and think that the war and everything else that goes on in the world is part of a movie script and they can just sit back and eat their popcorn.

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I have to agree that complacency is our enemies friend but when that enemy is our own goverment complacency will make prisoners of us all.

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Originally Posted by KoRnStaR

They attacked us because they didn't like our freedoms. They hate what our country is about, and everything we stand for. The freedoms we have, the different backgrounds of people and beliefs in this country. Our normal lives with our everyday freedoms.

We responded with a "War on Terror". A flawed war to fight in the first place that isn't winnable. We've sacrificed our freedoms for more protection. And that's exactly why they're winning.

Face it guys, ever since 9/11 things haven't been the same.

In exchange for "protection", we've said goodbye to some of our very own freedoms.

Racial profiling, the Patriot Act -- just two prime examples.

This is what they wanted -- Osama knew he couldn't break this country down in terms of population as a whole and even challenge our military. But ever since 9/11, we've had to trade in some of our own freedoms that they've hated and despised more then anything.

And here we are now.

The war is still going on with not much progress being made.

People are dying.

We still haven't captured Osama.

Racial profiling hasn't gone away.

They're winning.

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While I agree with your basic premiss, they don't hate us because of our freedom, they hate us because of our foreign policy. Until that changes it doesn't matter how many terrorists we kill, two more will fight to take each of their places.