People have offered me guns before, It's just I'm not really interested, and to tell the truth I doubt I would use it unless, I absolutly had to. I would sooner use my fists.
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People have offered me guns before, It's just I'm not really interested, and to tell the truth I doubt I would use it unless, I absolutly had to. I would sooner use my fists.
Same here, I've never taken my guns outside of the house, apart from to a shooting club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brittoker
They do come in handy though, one day a while ago 3 chavs were walking towards me on the street and one started mouthing off at me, his mate said to him "Oi, leave him alone, he's the kid with the guns" and his frien backed away looking embarrassed and worried haha :p
ok... to all that bash guns, fuck off.
as someone else said, guns are only means to an end. people get killed many other ways. more people are killed by cars than guns every year, but do we revoke the cars? hell no. i own an assortment of weapons. my HnK USP Compact, the trigger just broke yesterday, my brand new Kimber m1911 .45, a SIGpro SP2009 9mm also with a .22lr conversion kit, an Auto Ordnance m1911 .45 cal, used to have a Glock 19c, i have a romanian AK47 with a 90 rd. drum magazine, and last but definitely not least, my M14 .30-06 with a 10x tasco on it, and converted to fullauto or semiauto.
EDIT: I also got a Mossberg 500 Persuader 12 Gauge, a 20 Gauge Semi Automatic, and a .30-06 Bolt Action, of some sort, I dont know what brand.
ok i have never shot someone, but my best friend was shot in the chest last year, and he was also hit by a tazer, as i was, and he said the tazer actually was worse, as in more painful. i doubt that, but thats what he said.
i own these guns for personal protection as well as fun, as i go to the range very often. with the m14, i can consistently put 1 inch groups, even one-holes, at 300-400 yards. beat that, A-Rabs!! I am by no means a redneck, i am well educated, i have a 3.47 GPA and am in all honors or AP classes, and i keep my weapons locked up and unloaded in my room. except for the SigPro, which i keep loaded, in .22 form, next to my bed, with a trigger lock/block on it.
I wonder if I ever called da haze meister
Lmao, nice one, you should have smacked the chav though. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by 3 Sheets To The Wind
Nah that was back in the day when I wouldn't have wanted a fight... all the chavs around here are my age so I'll just walk down the street and stare a group of 20 out and just walk off without looking back once, that's how conviced I am that they're pussies!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brittoker
LMAOQuote:
Originally Posted by da haze meister
I also HATE cars......lol....to be honest, I'm really not too fond of the society I live in....full of horrible, selfish people......
.....actually sitting here thinking about it.....I think i hate the way society is headed.....society is shit at the moment and i believe its going to get worse....
lol...im not bitching or anything....just a bit saddened....but hey...what can you do
^^^^
Random post...lol
England is going so far downhill, it can't be saved mate... is Jersey going down too then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Az.
Yea agreed, I reckon there should be another Noah's ark type scenario, but all the MJ plants and all other living basics should be saved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Az.
The fact is that even if you ban guns criminals aren't going to give them up. If you take them away from law abidin citizens then the only people with guns are outlaws, and citizens are completely defenseless. Thank God I live in America and I have the right and ability to protect myself from criminals.
yup....gun crime is still absolute 0Quote:
Originally Posted by 3 Sheets To The Wind
there are still only a couple of murders a year....
but you can tell its getting worse.....its only matter of time till people here get their hands on guns....and then all hell is going to break loose....lol
I would be SOOOO Happy if that were to happen....I was actually thinking yeterday about mankind being wiped out.....and the sooner the better imo....the earth will be able to heal its self and the other animals we share this place with will be far better off....Quote:
Originally Posted by Brittoker
I do actually wish this would happen......with only a couple of hundred humans surviving....and having to revert back to technology-less life....thats the life I want to live.
LOL.....if only :)
Thats why I said stop the manufacture worldwide.....for the second time....Quote:
Originally Posted by tadaa
Someone could buyout all the major gun manufacturers and then shut down the factories....although this would never workj as i also said.....lol....bit hypocritical there......lol.....
Im just dreaming today.............
Oh, I wasn't on about the gun control, I'd love guns to be legal over here, I was on about the country as a whole, like everyone's growing up to be a chav nowadays, there is all sorts of bad shit going on in this country, just wondered if Jersey gets any of this shite!Quote:
Originally Posted by Az.
FACT: While handguns account for only one-third of all firearms owned in the United States, they account for more than two-thirds of all firearm-related deaths each year. A gun in the home is 4 times more likely to be involved in an unintentional shooting, 7 times more likely to be used to commit a criminal assault or homicide, and 11 times more likely to be used to attempt or commit suicide than to be used in self-defense.
-A Kellerman, et al. Journal of Trauma, August 1998; Kellerman AL, Lee RK, Mercy JA, et al. "The Epidemiological Basis for the Prevention of Firearm Injuries." Annu.Rev Public Health. 1991; 12:17-40.)
You aren't protecting yourself with your guns, you're just being selfish.
FACT: A gun in the home increases the risk of homicide of a household member by 3 times and the risk of suicide by 5 times compared to homes where no gun is present.
-Kellerman AL, Rivara FP, Somes G, et al. "Suicide in the Home in Relation to Gun Ownership." NEJM. 1992; 327(7):467-472
FACT: Comparison of U.S. gun homicides to other industrialized countries:
In 1998 (the most recent year for which this data has been compiled), handguns murdered:
* 373 people in Germany
* 151 people in Canada
* 57 people in Australia
* 19 people in Japan
* 54 people in England and Wales, and
* 11,789 people in the United States
that's ridiculous
Oh right....yeah sorryQuote:
Originally Posted by 3 Sheets To The Wind
Yea all the kids are growing up to be chavs.....about 68% of people under 21 here are chavs....pill popping, foul mouthed, short haired....but they are all talk.....hardly hardly ever any violence...maybe the occasional fistycuffs....but it normally ends in the loseing chavs ganging up and kicking the shit out of the other person, or the loser goes and gets his bigger brother and his bat...........what ever happened to free love and peace......lol.....
Sorry im a bit hyper.....WOO WOO :)
lol, so we should outlaw guns because some fucking moron shot himself in the foot? Or because some loser psycho kills himself? wow, I really honestly pitty you and the fact that you lack the ability to defend your own life against someone else with a weapon.Quote:
Originally Posted by BongSmokityDuo
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Originally Posted by BongSmokityDuo
If you own a car you're probably 500 times more likely to die in an auto accident, should we outlaw cars too?
Those stats may be correct. However, one of the main reasons for this is because we keep letting people who commit crimes with guns out on parole as opposed to keeping them locked up indefinitely. This becomes more and more difficult as the jails and prisons keep filling up with pot smokers and small time drug dealers. And even in prison we can't seem to keep the weapons out of their hands because of their so called "rights". There are definitely holes in the system such as gun shows that require little or no background check and of course the advent of the internet where anyone can buy anything. Not to mention the number of kids who have no fathers to speak of and/or no supervision, whose only role models are the older members of their local gang, the inability of schools to deal with the little monsters before they become a real problem (teachers and administrators can't even look at kids funny without some asshole filing a lawsuit) because "my little johnny would never do anything bad" and how dare you treat my child like this.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe to this day the number one killer of teens in this country is still alcohol related auto accidents. And we all know how well alcohol prohibition worked.
YES!Quote:
Originally Posted by tadaa
I cant be arsed to go through this again though.
lol, so we should outlaw guns because some fucking moron shot himself in the foot? Or because some loser psycho kills himself? wow, I really honestly pitty you and the fact that you lack the ability to defend your own life against someone else with a weapon.
They're still people. Obviously there are tons of fucking morons and loser psycho's out there. As well as children that don't know better.
If you own a car you're probably 500 times more likely to die in an auto accident, should we outlaw cars too?
the difference is cars serve a purpose, handguns don't...well, robbing and raping and murdering, I guess. You can say you need them as a safety precaution when you're hunting bears or something with a bow and arrow...but if you want to be a real badass and fucking kill bears, do it properly like a man.
Bonsai guy, I agree, free the pot smokers and keep the real criminals in there for fucking ever. It's just a lot harder to differentiate between who could safely use guns and who can't, versus just eliminating them all together. Prohibition didn't work with alcohol, but I can brew that up in my bathtub, in mass quantities. I'd like to see somebody do that with hand guns...I'm sure they could, just not very efficiently.
What about the many many guns that are already in circulation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Az.
A few nuts in power would run the whole world just like they do now. Nothing ever changes.
You're right. Guns don't kill people. People do. The guns just make it incredibly easier and more prone to happen because of quick tempers.Quote:
Originally Posted by da haze meister
"what? well, I'll just fucking shoot you and we'll see who's laughing then!"
No we don't revoke cars you idiot, because the primary purpose of a car is to serve as transportation rather than as a weapon. Maybe we could allow for a restriction of things that are used specifically to kill other people? huh? Or do you use your AK47 to hunt deer? Let me guess, they're there for self-defense right? Are you constantly fending off small countries? Do so many home intruders get into your place at the same time that you need an automatic weapon to deal with them all? AK47? WTF?
Ok then, I'll humour you for a minute. Lets say I break into your house with a Reminton 870 12 gauge shotgun, you have no gun. I want rob you and possibly to kill you and your family so you can't identify me, assuming you have a family. What do you do? Calling the police isn't goin to do you a godamn thing except they will be there to clean up the bodies.Quote:
Originally Posted by BongSmokityDuo
The funny thing is, I really pity you for the same reason. It's incredibly sad to me that you think you NEED a gun to feel safe personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by tadaa
Are you going to be saying that when someone breaks into my home and it saves my life?Quote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
Based on your logic I really hope you're no more than 17 or 18 years old. I'm also assuming you don't ever lock your doors, or wear a seat belt, because these are the same safety precautions as owning a gun. It's ok, you're just saying that your life isn't worth taking EVERY possible precaution inorder to save it, I guess some value their life a little more.
dude shut the fuck up... i also believe that you are a dumbass, and you dont use simple safety precautions. if i live in a nasty neighborhood, and people have guns, thats how it is. also, i got the AK for 45 dollars at a pawn shop,i was gonna fix it up and sell it for more. I have hunted deer with it once too. got a 10 point buck. what if someone breaks into your house, or cardboard box, whatever it may be, with a semiautomatic pistol. what are you gonna do? punch him? (you probably dont lock up the cardboard flaps at night, do ya, bum? and your prob at a public library using the internet...) the people who cant fight act like they can so they dont get guns so they can try to show how "strong" they are. if someone breaks in my house with a gun, i damn well will fill him full of lead. and i am almost sure that i could whoop your ass, fuckin nancy boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
i fucking hate the NRA dude... just a bunch of stupid fucking inbred rednecks running around with automatic weapons.Quote:
Originally Posted by BongSmokityDuo
ironic how you say that paticular quote, from that paticular band, in a thread about guns... i still don't believe he shot him self... way too many things point towards it being more of a murder, rather than killing himself...Quote:
"smile on your brother, everybody get together, try to love one another right nooooow"
tadaa, point taken on the rape thing.
But your arguments on carrying guns aren't too convincing. Dude, if you break into my house, with a gun, and i don't have one, too bad. If I have a gun too, there's TWICE as much chance of someone getting killed.
If guns were to be prohibited, murder rates would drop. crime rates would drop. claiming the opposite would be nonsense. if you take away the ball from the player, there's no game.
If guns were to be prohibited, the guy that would rob you probably wouldn't carry a gun, eradication of arms takes a long time, but is possible. this decreases the odds of murder by a long shot.
If all you gunslingers want to be the righteous men that protect common sense, grow some nuts and deal with the issue. Instead of sitting on your lazy asses with a shotgun complaining about society. Get on the streets without a stupid gun. If history teaches us ANYTHING.
"No fuck you dude this isn't history this is reality yo, can't do nothing about it, each man for himself, eye for an eye...." tsssss
i never said i carry a fucking gun dude, i have them at home locked up, no little kids in the house, i am very responsible about them. not like that commercial for anti drug where they get stoned and go shoot each other with daddy's smith and wesson. what a bunch of retards. thats culling the herd... natural selection right there... anyway i dont think carrying guns is good, thats really dangerous.
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Originally Posted by Harvesthetic
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. If guns are prohibited do you think that murderers, rapists and robbers are going to hand them over? Give me a fuckin break. In fact crime would increase, I suggest you look at statistics about gun control and crime rates. If I were a criminal and I had to look for a place to live I would pick somewhere that didn't allow its citizens to protect themselves.
If I break into your house with an intention of killing you and you don't have a gun you're dead, plain and simple. You have zero, ZERO chance of stopping me.
oh yea, as for the argument going on... there are points to both side....
first, yes it could protect you IF someone breaks in... but how often has your house been broken into? is some 300 dollar dvd player or 1000 dollar ring really worth taking someone's life for? if so, this is a sad world indeed where one's possessions are worth anothers life.... next... go look up break-in statistics of your area, then of that find the ones that end up in the death of the home owner or others that DIDN'T break in... then compare this number to the statistics of all the suicides/accidental shootings/homocides commited with a gun in your area... the only way you can truely justifiy keeping a gun for safety if the number of non-burglary deaths/shootings DOESN'T out number burglary related shootings... as for saftey (gun wise as in keeping it away from your family) sure you may take precautions... to keep it away from those who shouldnt' be messing with it, but what happens when you're burryign your 12 year old because he thought it was a toy and accidently shot himself? or thought it wasn't loaded, or just plain out didn't listen to warnings you may of improvised? it's only human nature to be forgetful and make mistakes, so there's no way you can garuntee that it will always be kept safe away from those who shouldn't touch it...
however, yea if someone breaks into your house with a gun, you need a way to even the playing field (assuming they have a gun and are ready to use it) becasue you stand next to no chance of being able to fight off someone with a gun... unlike movies and shit that's on tv... you usually can't trick the person to get their attention off you for a second so you can pick up a heavy object and beat them with it til they're no longer a danger. in real life, if someone breaks in with a gun, and are ready to use it.. they aren't going to be quite so easily fooled, they will be ready to pull that trigger if they even THINK you're about to pull something, if you even sneeze they may get so jittery they'll shoot you right there... even if they only brought the gun as leverage and possibly use it if they're life is in danger. i dont' really have a side in this all, because i woudl look at all statistics involved and make my own decisions... more so, if i had nothing really worth it all, i woudlnt' care what they took, i have a conscience.. i won't shoot someone cause they break into my house and try to take 1000 dollars worth of stuff, that can be replaced, a human life can't... and that's all there is to it... the only way i'd kill anyone, is if me, or my family (atleast the ones i care about) are in danger... even if it was just risking them getting a slight cut on their arm that could be cured with gauze and medical pads.. no one will touch my family, nor harm them.. and if you do... you better have a contingency plan, because i'm coming after you.... and i'm coming after you like a fuckin bull... you harm my family, and don't have a way to stop me, y ou might as well say goodbye to the daylight... because i won't stop beating you until you're literally just a bloodspot on the floor, or the police come and put me in cuffs..
I have a ccw permit and I carry a gun with me where ever I go. A gun in your house is great, but chances are if you ever need one it won't be in you house.Quote:
Originally Posted by da haze meister
Oh wait, I forget, nobody ever gets murdered or raped, that's just make believe:rolleyes:
When they break in are you going to politely ask them if they are there to steal from you or harm you?Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
I was raised to use guns properly since I was 8 years old. I feel bad that you lack the mental capacity to learn how to properly handle a gun and teach that to your children. It's not hard to lock a gun up in safe you fucking jackass. If you have a 12 year old that shoots himself then I guess darwin was right. 12 years old and you shoot yourself? How fucking dumb can you be.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
10 points? wow. The only thing sadder than walking into the forest to hunt with an automatic weapon would be returning empty handed. How do you NOT kill something with an automatic weapon, when that's your goal?Quote:
Originally Posted by da haze meister
And yeah, I live in box. 3 cardboard walls and a roof. I could have gotten a fourth wall, but I sprung for the high speed internet instead... and I don't regret it. Apparently I need "stuff", and a gun to protect my "stuff" in order to not be a nancy (who still says nancy? It's 2006 now).
And I'm sorry, as badass as you want to be, I'm not scared of you. I live in Santa Cruz, CA. If you have something to prove, let me know. I'll be here.
Here's my one question for you... Do you know your neighbors?
i have shotten a 12 guage marksburg. a couple 22's... and a ar-15(my dream rifle)..
sucks that gun laws around here are so strict
Civilian bought ak-47s aren't fully automatic you fucking moron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
again such a quick but sad conclusion :( you still linger on the fact that 'criminals ain't gonna turn their guns over'. I know that. Every sane person knows that. But please consider this simple plain fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by tadaa
The number of guns will decrease when prohibition comes, right? Prohibition of alcohol triggered bootlegging. Of course. Prohibition will trigger illegal gun manufacturing. But both alcohol usage and gun possesion will drop, right? And it is completely reasonable to assume and proven in the valued statistics that decreasing gun possession leads to decreasing murder rates, right? Less people get killed. Simple fact, please prove me wrong.
So when less people get killed, you and your family directly have a smaller chance to get killed, right?
So why would you still stand for legal possession of firearms? The criminal can legally get one? :confused:
ok i dont fucking care if they are there to steal 1000 dollars worth of stuff or not, cause if so, that is 1000 dollars that i worked hard to make, and if not, it is my property, and they are not permitted to be there in the middle of the night. the same friend i talked about who got shot, it was during a burglary, but he probably saved his and his family's life, because the burglar had a gun, and he did, and he shot the burglar 3 times, before getting shot himself. the criminal is now doing life in prison, as he had committed two murders a few days before, and was trying to make some money to pay off the guy he got the gun from. now if my buddy hadnt been packin a .45, this man would have murdered him, his family, and escaped to kill other people.
Prohibition didn't work, take a history lesson buddy. If you outlaw guns you aren't taking them away from murderers, you're taking them away from law abiding people who want to protect their homes and their families. You're also taking away their ability to defend themselves against their own government.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harvesthetic
If I were a criminal the number 1 thing I would pray for would be the ban on guns, that way I wouldn't have any resistence when I'm raping joe smoes wife or robbing his house.