Couldn't agree with you more!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelbay
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Couldn't agree with you more!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelbay
Shelbay, I agree with Bizzle in the sense that most young girls do not intentionally use abortion as a form of BC. A good number of abortions are performed on middle, upper middle, or upper class women who are either not interested in becoming mothers or have gotten themselves in to a position that they don't want their hubbys to know about. From what I've read and seen, most of these younger girls end up getting abortions because they didn't think first and use it as a last act of desperation. Abortion has sadly become a huge generator of income for the clinics and doctors that perform.
But Bizzle, you are dead wrong that there are so many "difficulties" with giving babies up for adoption. There are literally tens of thousands of couples who wouldl love to adopt a baby and there are a lot of services, both public and private (mostly through religious agencies, catholic, protestant, jewish etc) that will help and support women through the pre natal period and well beyond with monetary, housing, educational and adoption services that don't cost a dime for the women who they service.
Shelbay, you were a bit out of line in your response to Bizzle especially labeling her a slut. I think you owe her an apology.
I second that. Can't we ever just share our opinions without throwing deragotary and defaming terms around?Quote:
Originally Posted by bonsaiguy
And on the issue of the men being involved, by all means yes. That unborn child is the product of two sets of chromosomes and it didn't get there by some immaculate conception. And if the girl is a minor, the parents should also be involved in any deciscion that involves a surgical procedure on their child. Yes, there are and should be exceptions to that since many parents are not worth a shit in a rainbarrel.
We should be able to but this is one of the most hot button issues one can think of.Quote:
Originally Posted by STDzRus
Thats your opinion...but its not twisted imo. If you guys want some articles posted concerning this I can but can you then refute me with your facts if I am talking shit...deal? Women get pregnant..don't want the baby..and then kill it. If not ready for resposibilities use BIRTH CONTROL. Out of all the millions of abortions each year you honestly believe they were all accidents? NO the majority because they are to lazy and know all to just take a pill a day and buy condoms..heck they are free some place! Not all but most use abortion over and over...and that is birth control to me..the way I look at. Oh and lets not forget the glorious morning after pill..thats available so why wait until your months along and then kill the baby?Quote:
Originally Posted by STDzRus
You'll get no argument from me on most of what you just said. In this day and age there is little or no excuse for an accidental pregnancy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelbay
And I still think you owe Bizzle an apology for calling her a slut.
They use it over and over again because ABORTIONS increase chance for birth failure later on. Also, it cannot be used so openly recreationally as you think, MANY MANY doctours refuse to use it in this matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelbay
You must live in a really fucked up place with doctors that give a damn...
Just a question...
Are you including contraceptive (The Morning After / PLAN B) pills as an abortion method?
I owe her nothing! If she had wanted a debate with respect then show respect and that is what you get. She labeled me from the get go so no apology is forthcoming from me. I have been called much worse on this board and NEVER given an apology so I am sure she will be okay....I don't like her posts ....and if she don't like mine..then next time try a different approach and we can have a respectful debate. Talk trash to me and thats what you get back. Teenagers DO use abortion as a form of Birth Control...millions over the years..its so easy to kill a baby instead of abstaining or taking a pill everyday. If my posts and opinions offend you...don't read them. Where were you when I was called everything from a to Z on here demanding an apology?? hmmm. There was more I wanted to say but I did refrain sooo..you guys get over it. When you feel the need to defend another poster...do it for all...not just pick and choose k.Quote:
Originally Posted by bonsaiguy
Just take a minute and think about the chances that someone in your family history was an 'accidental' child, even a bastard child. I think for most of us the chances are pretty good.
I'm not trying to defend this... trend. But its a fact of life. People fuck and sometimes a baby comes as a result of it. I've nothing against fucking, and I'm totally down with the notion that society still has a suffocatingly masculine perspective on things, and laws about abortion are generally a good indicator as to where society is in this regard. But all of this still doesn't change the fact that inside a woman's belly there is a LIVING human being, who has no less of a right to life than his mother.
Think about it; the whole thing is one of the tragic flaws of humanity.
Yes I do live in a place where abortion clinincs are bombed (actually Eric Rudolph bombed one here about 35 miles from where I live) and the Docotors for the majority are doing it for the money. To not seem contadictory..yes I believe contaceptive (morning after) as an abortion. These are my beliefs just as you or anyone have your beliefs. I'm older now so my beliefs are not the majority on this board but where I live...yes they are the majority..our way of life. If one must do an abortion why not take the pill and not wait until the baby is actually formed? And the partial birth thing?? Sickening! As I said..this is me..respect my viewpoints and I give respect back...even if I don't agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by STDzRus
You can't demand respect, but I'm not saying I disrespect or respect any views. I like to remain neutral. I do respect your voice for opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelbay
Just a tad bit of info you should know, contraceptive does not kill a baby. It stops the sperm from inseminating the egg and continuing to grow. It does nothing to a fetus. Give me just a few minutes to support my claim with links.
I tell you what...you think about getting her to apologize for telling me what I view is BS and we will go from there okay? I stand by my words on this one.Its your right to think what you want...just as it is my right to call a woman acting like a slut a slut right?Quote:
Originally Posted by bonsaiguy
Well I can't demand respect but when you give it is what you get back. I also understand contraceptives...have for years but my belief is that anything that stops a normal pregnancy is wrong....once again...my opinion.After I read your links..I will post my links to prove my viewpoint. Thanks for discussing this without the name calling...I listen alot more when someone approaches with facts and not the names I have been called because I am not the majority. Oh...and I do need to work on my internet skills because here at home...respect IS given.Quote:
Originally Posted by STDzRus
Don't take my refusal to give respect , or to take respect, to deny respect or anything as an insult Shelbay. I take nothing personal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelbay
And ok! ^_^
Maybe I should stop taking things personal:o I just abhore abortion but I am not the creator or the girl so I will lighten up...I apologize. BUT I do detest abortion!
:D It's great that you detest abortion, that you have a voice in this country, and that you carry a solid frame of thought on your opinions! Never let anybody convince you otherwise of your opinions, but always be open minded, the more you know, the more you grow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelbay
Very True.Thanks. And I was raised better than to call another woman that name...I took anger at another person out on her in my post saying she was a slut and I shouldn't have...I'm not perfect...remember I am a woman to. Now when someone like you lemonboy and a few others "talk" with sense and some respect of understanding on my post..I listen alot more,so thanks again. Plus its no excuse but I really want to smoke one and there have been 140 FBI,ATF,ABI knocking on our doors for two days!! Someone burned 10 churches (Baptist) around this area and other counties and its literally crawling with these guys...think I will just read and not post until I get my brain going right again. Oh...and where is my congrats on my 420th post? haha
i guess in my opinion it depends on the situation like the rape issue for instance or if they babys serverly handicapped (by this i means ones tht will never have anything close to a nomal life)
but like whoscarl says only in the early stages
Howdy Carl,Quote:
Originally Posted by Whos Carl
I believe that once a child is concieved,that the right to life of the infant,takes precedence over a woman's right to choose,the father should have a say also..as to whether or not the mother will 'murder' his child.
If a woman gits pregnant,because of irresponsible sex,I believe that she has even less of a right to murder her child,that she should bring the child to term and learn to think of her child's needs,before her own. It's both penance and punishment,however,at some point,she may find that she's fallen in love with her child..it would be the best outcome for sure.
Also,it's been found,that long-lasting mental damage can occur to those women who do abort their children,I have yet-to talk to a woman who hasn't regretted aborting their child.
Instead of murdering children,why can't folks be more responsible when making the decision to have sex ? Why must the child suffer for the sins of the parents ?
Have a good one ...
like i said before... why ruin three lives when you can stop one from happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Howdy pablo,Quote:
Originally Posted by pabloescobar209
Every child is a blessing and lives can be changed for the better,by taking on the responsibility of parent-hood and who knows..could be the parents will fall in love with their child and be forever the better for it.
At what point,do the parents take responsibility for their bad choices ? In the liberal world,it don't happen much,because liberals believe that they have the right to engage in irresponsible sex..and if a child is a result of such,and is an 'in-convience',they can just trot on down to their nearest baby-killing clinic..then go out and do it all over again..pretty dang sad.
Again I ask--why must the child suffer for the debauchery and sins of it's parents ?
Have a good one ...
i understand your point but look at it like this. if you make them have the kid, what kind of life will that kid have?? you can say they might fall in love with it, but lets face it and be realistic. why force people who are unable or unwilling to commit to parenthood into it, when we have an alternative. There is plenty of people out there that are ready to commit to having and caring for a child, so why fill the world with children that have been raised by unfit parents?Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Howdy pablo,Quote:
Originally Posted by pabloescobar209
Well..I'm an old fashioned feller,I think folks engaging in casual sex that results in a child,deserve the 'punishment' of having to be accountable for their choices..and if they means raising a child and gittin married--then so be it. I say --unfit parents..need to be transformed into fit parents,or else git sterilized until they are ready to accept the consequences of irresponsible sex. I believe in adoption,but not adoption by gays.
Bringing a child into the world,and raising it,is greater than the wants and needs of the parents. When a child is born,it's time for the parents to grow up and be responsible,not to shirk responsibility and go on leading lives of irresponsiblity..and the child should have the right to life..because every child has the potential of being greater than the sum of it's parents.
Have a good one ....
Lets just agree that there are good points for and against this issue and we will never change eachothers views.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Howdy pablo,Quote:
Originally Posted by pabloescobar209
Agreeing to disagree ? I like that ! :thumbsup:
I'm pretty set in my beliefs,but I do try to remain open to reason and to be able to allow for some flexibility on issues..I realise that I don't have all of the answers and never will.
Have a good one !
Good talking with you Torog, you're the most level-headed person on here... PS i wish i was in Texas where it was warm, it's about 20 degrees here:rasta:Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
why bring an unwanted child into this world?
well torog is saying people have to be accountable for there actions, which i don't dissagree with... but i think that a child growing up with "unfit"( unfit meaning... not financially stable, mentally stable, or just being plain bad parents... ei Brittney Spears driving with her 5month old in her lap) just makes for a polluted society filled with people who aren't raised right and end up like killers, paris hilton etc. but torog makes the point that a child can become more than the sum of it's parents... any argument can be cancelled out by an agrument from the opposite point of view... so why argue???Quote:
Originally Posted by ultimatenyc
I think the timing on abortion is essential. If the foetus has no consciousness then its not living. Just a shell of organic matter
I agree with this statement. Abortion, in one form or another, has existed for hundreds of years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Awill3449
I think I've got an interesting perspective on abortion - I was diagnosed as infertile when I was a teen and I am at a high risk for passing on serrious genetic disorders, and became pregnant at 21, which was a shock. Both my fiance and I agreed to go to Planned Parenthood. Something happened there that neither of us can explain. We saw our son. (Well, we didn't know it was a boy, but you know what I mean.) We went back home, talked about it, and we decided to keep baby Jeff. He's a wonderful child, and we both love him. He is 4 and a half months and just learned to roll over this week, and he cut his first tooth too!
But because of this, I had my tubes tied two months ago by my doctor. Jeff is totally normal, but the odds weren't good. I don't want to have to make the choice to abort a fetus who has a serrious genetic disorder. If we want another child, we'll adopt.
There is so much grey ground in regards to this issue that I believe it must be left to the parents (or parent, as the case may be with deadbeats). I'm glad the option was avalible to me, and I'm glad it's avalible to others, and I hope it continues to be that way. I am very much in favor of father's rights in regards to this issue, however. I had a classmate in college abort a child out of spite for the father, and that was the most disgusting act I'd ever heard of. A baby is 50/50, and both parties should be on the same page.
I don't think that abortion should be so cloak-and-dagger. Let people see the images of how it is preformed. It is not a plesant procedure. Perhaps this will motivate them to think before having unprotected sex. But this requires open sexual education courses in every classroom, in every high school. We should remove the culture of shame that surounds birth control, abortion, and adoption. I beleve then we'd see some real change.
Sorry for writing so much... the topic interests me.
Okay I'm pro abortion for many reason already stated in other posts. But my question be how many abortions should be allowed, is there a limit?
Peace
Buddy
All for abortion. Make the CHOICE.
I agree almost 100%...Except I dont believe abortion is murder. It should be legal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
But, to prevent them from happening, more condoms and contraception (including the morning after pill) need to be made available to those who would use them
Doing THAT will prevent abortions. And then everyone will be happy...right?;)
There isn't a day that goes by that I don't think about the room I was in, when I had mine. Long-lasting mental damage..definitely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
<3 Tasha
Abortion is barbaric and disgusting and if a women can live with herself after doing something as cruel as that than so be it. I don't think the govt. should be allowed to say what she can and can't do with her own body though. Abortion needs to be strictly regulated and watched very carefully(especially planned parenthood who will give an eight year old an abortion)
Howdy Tasha,Quote:
Originally Posted by LovelyTasha
Thanx for weighing in on this point..it's important to consider the impact of dong such..and I pray that you can come to peace about it. :)
Have a good one !
too many damn people in this world already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think abortion should only be used for those whom can not live through labor or the child during birth. But that is the only time i will ever see eye to eye on this matter.