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Don't even start the whole compassion and there equal to us crap.Sorry I don't play with my shit like a pig does, but I'll be damned if I dont eat one.[/QUOTE]
listen man they may not be equal to us but animals know when they are being treated badly. i don't agree that animals should be let go free and no one eat them but ppl don't have to be cruel to them, there are other methods.
Unless you pick your own plants, you are no better than us, as you are also supporting the killing of large amounts of animals.
What does the fact that livestock eat wheat n' shit have to do with this discussion? Answer: Nothing.
YOU are eating the plants TOO. YOU are killing animals TOO. You are no better than us, and being vegetarian is no more guiltless.
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Originally Posted by rastabill89
Ok as soon as you get quote from him saying that I'll take it to heart.But until then I'll just leave it marked as another person making assumptions.
The reason why these animals are even born is because they're for food. If they weren't slaughtered, they would have never been alive.
So, if there's no more selective breeding, there's no farm animals.
Hey man I'm not after you or anyone when it come to this topic. You just have to understand the big picture and that site is totally ridicules because it is so short sided by the fact that they donā??t even mention the fact that most of those crops are being raised for livestock.Quote:
Originally Posted by VoidLivesOn
I read something where it talks about the amount of fresh water it takes to produce different kinds of food. Don't quote me because I donā??t remember the exact numbers but it was something like this-
10 pound sack of apples = 20 gallons
1 loaf of wheat bread = 75 gallons
1 ounce beef steak = 2,000 gallons!!!
Thatā??s because of the enormous amount of food it takes to raise a cow.
Always look at the big picture.
lmao "meet your meat"
yup, its messed up & sux [especially the castration].
fukkit, lets barbecue
I feel I need to elaborate more on what I said in the last post about the percentage of wheat n' shit being used to feed livestock.
If everyone ate only plants, 100% of wheat would go directly to feeding us; therefore, the fact that presently cows eat the largest amount of wheat is IRRELEVENT.
Wow you are right!! I'm going to start having children just so I can sell them as sex slaves! No one can say its wrong because the only reason I'm going to have these children is so they can be sex slaves!! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
I see what youre trying to say (hehe wheat is murder) but the purpose to which it is burnt is a lot different to the purpose to which it is eaten. We eat to survive, animals, plants etc, this is natural but to torture something in such a way isnt very charactoristic of nature just because it's more efficient and costs less to do so. Im still going to eat meat but it doesnt mean I agree with how they kill animals. We are the only species in the world (humans) that has the awareness to defy our instincts and exist in whatever we want to do. This is why we should take more responsibility for our actions (not personally). Why cause something more pain than it needs to save money or are you that capitalistic :).Quote:
You probably also wouldn't wanna be eaten, so ummmm..excuse me if this comes off dickish...who gives a shit.
YEah I think thats where the line is drawn.You are human, being when you have kids and sell them as sex slaves they too are going to be human.Quote:
Originally Posted by BaseRSX
We are talking about animals being born for a reason, and thats being eaten.
Sparky says, "Woof woof! Ouch this grill is hot!"
oh wait.. no he doesn't it's a dog...or is it?
Yeah that makes sense, but why are you telling me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rarrr
Tell the people who manage your meat.
Yeah thatā??s a nice try but again the amount of people that could be fed by the crops that the animals eat is something like 10 to 1. It really, really a huge difference so this argument also is completely false.Quote:
Originally Posted by eddievanzant
Again I'm not going after you, just trying to show you how all these really old arguments have been proven wrong a long time ago.
Just about the only place where eating animals made since was when people moved to climates where crops and food were not available during the winter months. Of course in our modern society this is totally not the case anymore.
Please donā??t kid yourself, if all the crops that are grown to feed animals were instead used to feed people directly, we could pretty much wipe out starvation in Africa and everywhere else in a very short period of time. Like a year or two.
Guess what? Humans are animals too. OMGZZZZ :DQuote:
YEah I think thats where the line is drawn.You are human, being when you have kids and sell them as sex slaves they too are going to be human.
We are talking about animals being born for a reason, and thats being eaten.
You will be burned in 3, 2, 1. That site you are calling rediculous addresses that. http://maddox.xmission.com/hatemail.cgiQuote:
Originally Posted by BaseRSX
Did you really have to do it? :thumbsup: :dance:Quote:
Originally Posted by eddievanzant
As long as our society looks for a way to save money (capitalism at its best) I believe this will continue. Too much money to lose for the meat companies...Quote:
Yeah that makes sense, but why are you telling me?
Tell the people who manage your meat.
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Originally Posted by VoidLivesOn
The only way to not kill animals is to pick your own shit. I'd bet 100 bucks that not one vegan here actually picks everything they eat, and because of that, we are all equal.
Well I saw the numbers from the FDA. But if you want to believe a guy that drives this car -Quote:
Originally Posted by eddievanzant
http://maddox.xmission.com/oldsloco5.jpg
Be my guest...
You can't discredit someone for being middle-class without sounding like a total asshole.
P.S. what is that guy even talking about? He changes his argument from how much water it takes to produce a steak to how much water driving a car uses. That is not the point.
The point is that vegetarians use much less water with their diet than someone who eats meat does with their diet. He never even tried to argue this point instead he just changed the subject. He also goes into some BS about the total amount of water on the earth. But we are talking about drinkable water that people and animals can actualu use. That is just about the dumbest argument i have ever read!
Come on guys, please tell me you are smarter than this...
Im a vegetarian :)
eating meat is evil especially if it's been abused its entire sickened, miserable life then having its throat slit then it being boiled alive..they just shrug and take another bite of bacon. it's ridiculous man..cause im eating soy based bacon that actually tastes better
www.peta.org :cool:
Wow I guess you didn't catch the joke on that car my friend..If you really think that guy drived THAT car in the first place.I think that might even be photoshop.Plus the car has nothing to do w ith discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by BaseRSX
Base I'm off to smoke a bowl, care to join? :thumbsup:
You know what's funny.. i was watching a dog drink the piss of another dog AS the dog pissed.. it was quite sickening really... but then i thought.. yea.. that's what sets us apart.
I'd eat a Dog...just as quickly as I'd eat a Cat. The reason i don't is because they're considered "house pets" in the western civilization. But if a Nucelar winter happened and food was nowhere to be found.. then yea... I'd eat a dog.. or a cat.. or an animal.. but not a human. Human's have a conscience...animals don't. If a dog shits on your floor, does it clean it up because it feels bad? hardly....The reasoning is simple, we ate animals because our bodies need certain nutrients. Before magical vitamin pills and powerade crap that's how you lived to 55 or 60 .. by eating animals, vegetables, grains and fruit. Now we live to 85 or more because of massive technological leaps. without these technological leaps..the vegetarian community would wither away and die....literally.
Thank Meat Eating for being where we are today...in science,medicine...society as a whole.
http://www.goveg.com/order.asp
For a free starter kit..
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Originally Posted by Euphoric
yea man im eating a garden burger thats better then a regular burger :-)
Sorry I'm out. If I was high I wouldnt even be here. When I'm high I never want to read or post on message boards. Thats why you will only see me on here posting, for the most part, when I'm out of pot...:(Quote:
Originally Posted by VoidLivesOn
if a handicap dude shits on your floor is he gona clean it up? does that make him non human?Quote:
Originally Posted by BobBong
No, but he could feel bad about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rastabill89
Or happy about it...
p.s nice edit.
Boca' are the best. Yes Boca is now owned by Kraft which kills tons of animals in their other products, and yes Kraft is owned by Phillip Morris that kills tons of people with their product...Quote:
Originally Posted by rastabill89
But that is just the way the world is right now, you do what you can....
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Originally Posted by BobBong
if he is really really mentaly hindicap he wont know what he did or if he did bad or good hes handicap
ok? so what's your point. Now put a dog or cow or a whale or any animal for that matter in that same situation. a "mentally handicap" animal.. would not function in the wild. In fact, in most cases either be eaten by the mother or left for dead. There was a day.. when humans did this also.. when unfortunate souls were born with developement problems and often outcast or even left for dead...Quote:
Originally Posted by rastabill89
So what are we proving here? Humans > Animals.. always have, always will...
I eat. Therefore, I am.
DarkFirer, you are soooo fucking stupid
....and I watched the video, thought about it for a moment, and then I ate some chicken, which was delicious by the way.
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Originally Posted by rastabill89
The only reason he would be alive is because he's human. any other species would leave him for dead.
It kind of makes me sad to see how humanity treats things. But then again we'd have a great deal of over population/and that would cause a big problem in the world. I've been thinking of being a vegan...because one of my good friends is a health freak vegan, but I don't know. I really like food....And meat.......damn why am I faced with these descions today....aw to hell with it.... :rasta:
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Originally Posted by ImStonedNILikeIt
you should go the vegan route they have so many good vegan foods check out this site http://vegweb.com/recipes/
man, i live in oklahoma and grew up around farms, and whatnot, and im a meat eater, but most slaughter houses are clean and those in the video, which looked like the same throughout it were pretty much just assholes, most animals are killed humanely.
BaseRSX, his point was that fractionally, not eating meat makes little difference to the amount of water we consumed. YOU KNEW THAT, yet you chose to make that post in biased.
I'm done arguing with this, so I will make one last list of points.
1) Eating animals is cruel to animals.
--I personally believe this video was made by a terrorist group named peta, but even if this wasn't, I'm willing to bet 100 bucks that MOST SLAUGHTERHOUSES ARE MORE HUMANE THAN BEING HUMAN. You do nothing your whole life, get all the food you want, then when you're at your prime, you get killed painlessly and don't have to suffer through old age.
2) Producing meat consumes way more water.
--First of all, who gives a shit? We'll ALWAYS have the same amount of water. Second, compared to all the water we normally consume, not eating meat affects the total number microscopically.
3)It's healthier to not eat meat.
--That is total bullshit and I refuse to even acknowledge that as a point by making a counterpoint.
4)Eating plants is less guilty.
--Eating wheat tortures more animals due to all the field mice n' rabbits that get their tiny bodies mangled up in machines and are left to rot.
If you eat only plants for specific health or religious reasons, I don't give a fuck; but if you think you are less guilty of cruelty to animals by eating plants, you are dead wrong.
Ahh you donā??t have to start out vegan. That is a HUGE step for a meat eater to take!Quote:
Originally Posted by rastabill89
Just try giving up mammals for a few months. Just eat chicken and fish, etc. This will be tuff enough. Then after you are cool with that, just stop eating meat all together and still eat dairy. Then try going no dairy. That is they way I did it.
I mean do what ever works for you. I donā??t even believe in the labels ā??vegetarianā?, ā??veganā? etc. Your diet is no one elseā??s business. If you want to not eat meat for a month and the gorge yourself on it for one weekend that fine. You are not joining a club. You are not doing anything that anyone else should give a shit about. I have not eaten meat in 15 years but that has nothing to do with wanting to use the label ā??vegetarianā?. I could go get a burger right now if I wanted to and it would not be anyone elseā??s business! Of course I never would but you see my point.
yea hey do you have Aim Msn Aol or yahoo man?