LadyM, that is why I keep away from Christianity. I'd say I'm 98% sure that you and I are of the same "religious persuasion" ... rock on, sister!
Blessed Be :)
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LadyM, that is why I keep away from Christianity. I'd say I'm 98% sure that you and I are of the same "religious persuasion" ... rock on, sister!
Blessed Be :)
i live my life according to newtons laws, darwinism, and science, and a little feng shui and ayurveda. not god. god is the outdated explanation of the previously inexplicble, and a tangible statement of outdated morality
every religion is just a good story, you can believe it and live your life by it too make you happy, but accept thats just what you are doing, you are not executing a divine guideline too life that will ensure you rewards when you kick the bucket. No1 knows what lies after death, God is far to general of a term (and under the christian sense an absolute joke, terms such as 'natural evil', 'morale evil' although satisfyin to the monkey brain, have no ground, cuz if God is the all singing, all dancin, omnipotent being, he set that earthquake in to motion, so it needed to be done) and science can calculate, but doesn't ever give a set guideline for belief, it quite simply observes, and tries to visualise why this object performs in this way, under this set of conditions, then tells you there best guess, I never remember science giving me a reason not to steal or kill.
We will never grasp it cuz you on the inside looking out, plus we only ever link God to living things, of which we put ourselves on a pedestal compared to rest of the animal/plant kingdom. So take every species ever dreamt into existance, every moment that each individual that made up these species has ever experienced, the reason each one experienced it the way they did, the the effect it had on other living things and itself, and then somehow try and explain this in coincidence, with the Earths position and movement about the sun, which is also moving in a system that is approximately 80-100,000 lightyears (thats 27m with 7 zeros following it, multiplied by 80,000) containing about 200-400 billion stars, oh but wait, theres more, about 165 billion more galaxies, each containing within the region of 200-500 million stars, oh and they're all connected somehow, by a 'thing' that we can only prescribe the word 'energy' or 'God' too, and if you can somehow grasp this, you're still way way off, so it is much much easier for peace of mind to say God exists and is there to guide me, but what God is, where he is guiding me, and what is his overall message is impossible to answer, and pretty fucking pointless because even if you could grasp the knowledge, your still just a unit, made up of other units, falling on a rock, falling into infinite numbers of other rocks, and will have to deal with the importance of the 'trivialities' of the here and now (which somehow ties in with all the processes of what I jus sed), because its all that you have ever known, and will ever know, to act like your experience surpasses that what is physical, mite giv u peace of mind, but you still don't know what the fuck the physical is, let alone the metaphysical, spiritual and transdimensional, and after taking all that in to consideration, God and its classical definitions and viewpoint like Good and Evil, seem like a plaything.
I believe in God. I believe in Jesus. I also believe in the ten commandments.
Howdy Shelbay,Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelbay
I second that !
I just don't understand how any toker doesn't realize,that only a loving God-could create such a beneficial plant that does so much for everyone,there's no need for evolution to evolve a plant with so many good properties that benefit the Human species,I believe that only God-in His infinite wisdom..would create such a complex set of molecules that are capable of addressing so many Human conditions.
I view those tokers who deny God..and therefore their own soul's,as being flat and one-dimensional..not much above the tape worm..what has happened to their spirituality ? How can one not feel the greater universe and the connectedness of all things,when one is sufficiently high ?
If I have offended alot of the tokers here,I apologize..you have a perfect right to view yerselves as being no greater than an animal..or a tape worm..and to live in denial of yer own immortality.
Have a good one ....
Thank You. It was great reading your post. I thought by now I would be called everything from a-z and it was a shock to see another believer. I wasn't going to post here but I felt the need. Thanks again..made my morning. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Howdy Shelbay,Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelbay
It was both my honor and pleasure !:thumbsup:
You are not alone ! There are more tokers out there than just you and me,who believe in a loving God and recognize our own immortality and connection with God.
Many of these young tokers,have not lived Life long enough,to gain an insight and understanding into the true depth of what we are..they have not experienced the loss of friends and family,over a period of decades and they haven't seen the un-explainable things that happen,when someone is close to going Home.
There is most certainly a place for tokers like us,in the cannabinaut community,although I've been told many times,that there ain't.
Have a good one !
BTTTQuote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Ain't it odd...that when I accuse some of my fellow cannabinauts,of being in denial of their soul and their spirituality...that they clam up ?
Have a good one ....
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Originally Posted by Shelbay
Good for you. You have every right to your beleif system, but dont you want something thats a bit more....you know....there? And not so riddled with contradictions? More Christians turning their cheeks at gay weddings?
Howdy Funken Monken,Quote:
Originally Posted by Funken Monken
And you have the right to believe,that you're not any more special-than a tape worm..or a rat.
As for gay weddings,I ain't about to turn any sort of 'cheek'..lol..God will judge them and punish them,accordingly.
Have a good one ....
Back again Torog..had to find my papers..always losing them lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Amen!! Thats what I say. Some of my "associates" accuse me of hate but I stand on MY beliefs..and condoning certain things such as gay marriage is not one of them. I just refuse to have politically correct crap pushed down my throat and told I have to like it. What is it with men wanting to be women and women wanting to be men these days? wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Say what you want about contradictions..your right to say what you please. But I have all I need and want thank you. Being a christian does not guarantee me a life of roses but when I needed Him (God) most he is ALWAYS here for me and I love him..always have and always will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Funken Monken
cameron123240 you are a fucking idiot. how old are you 10? go away.
Torog Sir! Good to hear from you - its been a while (work..you name it). If you could see me right now, you'd know my hat was raised!
If there is a big G, let him do the judging, not the followers, as apparently its his will, so let him sort it out. If there is a god, no doubt he's big enough to sort it out on his own without any help. But man - dont you just want a 'something' to make it more than a blind faith?
Have your beleifs...just keep them! And tell them others to stop contradicting themselves!
Howdy Shelbay,Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelbay
Well..I'm old enough to tell you,that the feminization of men and the masculinization of women,started with modern liberalism and the rise of feminists. The Left wants us to be a nation of "girly-men",real men-need not apply. I do believe that women should have equal rights,equal pay and should participate politically,in their communities and across the nation..but not at the expense of a man's manhood..or at the expense of a woman's womanhood.
Have a good one !
haha..Once again thanks. I guess I come from the "old school" as in as a woman I expect respect BUT I also believe the MAN (a real one) should be the head of the Home..make final decisions etc....Though I must say these days it would seem difficult for the younger ones because Beating a woman into submission is not respect. I was raised Southern Baptist but had to leave that church after I was released from prison and no longer acceptable to them but I have found a church recently that I do believe I will fit in with...and a great community. Thank You Lord!:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Howdy Funken Monken,Quote:
Originally Posted by Funken Monken
My hat is off as well, Howdy !
Well..it would be nice to prove the nay-sayers wrong..but that would mean serious consequences are occurring,if God or Jesus,were to prove themselves to the un-believers. God doesn't need to prove His existance to that which and whom,He created..but He will certainly prove that He's both an loving God ..and a wrathful God,when the time comes.
Well..I reckon that if y'all can express yer dis-belief..then I have every right to express my belief. As for contradiction,we will all always be contradicting ourselves,because such is in the nature of Man.
Have a good one ....
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Originally Posted by Torog
THAT, Sir, is something I think we ALL agree on!!
brb
Howdy Shelbay,Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelbay
I believe as you do..but many folks who aren't Christian,think that Christian men expect their wives to serve the man,like he's a slave-master,when in fact-serving one another..is what really happens. It's a 2 way street of serving one another and cherishing one another,in a Christian household..not one-sided as many folks believe.
I too,am a recent 'jail-bird' and with my long hair and beard,I doubt if my Church would want me around either,I'm happy that you found a church that will accept you,unconditionally .:thumbsup: Praise the Lord,indeed !:)
Have a good one !
Howdy Funken Monken,Quote:
Originally Posted by Funken Monken
Amen to that ! lol
Have a good one !
I will pray for you about that Torog...we will :) One or more in his name :) I serve my husband with pride..he works hard!! Like 16-18 hour days for weeks at a time. Hes not home much but when he does get here I have his food hot and ready,the remote is his lol..then I actually run his bath water for him..even wash his hair lol. I enjoy doing that for him and more because the day he came in looking sooo worn out and looked at me and he said....It's good to be home,now I know why people fight so hard to keep it...that was my defining moment to give him control. Anyway some of my younger friends actually believe he controls me lol....they just don't know what they are missing. :smokin: We share the same faith also..actually the only subject we agree on lol. :stoned: I have enjoyed meeting you on here Torog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Howdy Shelbay,Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelbay
Thanx for yer kind words and prayers,I will pray for y'all as well:thumbsup:
I too,like to take care of my gal,after she comes back from a long day in the city..it don't mean that she's got me whupped either,I cherish her and respect her and she takes good care of me too. We raise each other up-when the other is down..and we give each other,unconditional love,we've been together for 10 years now and we haven't had a single argument or angry words towards each other..and when we disagree-we agree to do so and move on.
I too,have enjoyed meeting you and I'm glad that yer here !
Have a good one !
I don't really believe in God, but I don't have problems anymore with people who do. If believing in something helps them get through their day, makes them happy, so let them believe, but I choose to be my own person, my own God. I just don't like it when religious folks try and change other people. If I choose not to follow God, then I get looked down on by people who do. They ring my doorbell at 8am every Sat. morning giving me a flyer and a few choice words, thinking that that is going to change the world...what's worse about that, is they get paid and make money when they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by cameron123240
But hey, whatever makes people happy, but stop trying to change the world.
"If you serve God for money, then you serve the Devil"
So, you're saying we can now explain the creation of man? :smokin:Quote:
Originally Posted by BizzleLuvin
Torog: Just don't tell her your girlfriend is a Jew or you may find that newfound friendship dangling by a thread. She doesn't hate. No, no. She just doesn't want "that politically correct crap pushed down [her] throat."
It is extremely interesting to find out both you and Shelbay have been in jail/prison after I already had a chance to read a lot of what you had written. I'm involved in the planning stages of a Christian outreach group dealing mostly with inmate addiction. Including drugs (obviously) but other addictions as well like kleptomania. Really anything and everything. I was initially concerned about approaching these problems from a religious perspective. There is a real chance to replace one addiction with another. Anyone that has ever been to a Christian church has met people that are indeed addicted to religion. I can't say you've calmed my fears.
You know... "meeting god half-way" is not an expression you hear used very often these days. He seems so cold without that little bit of humanity.
I think all you non-believers are idiots! It's God who controls everything and watches over us!
God, I can't help it, I laugh whenever I think about how ludicrous that sounds.
The bible is a story... It's a book... like, what is so hard to believe. I guess it's completely inconseivable that there ISN'T a magic all-powerful being, when we have NO prove of it's existence? There is prove of evolution... maybe there are holes but how can there not be, when it's a fairly new concept and no human was around for the beginning. God is a concept so old and it's STILL filled with holes (While we are finding new things about evolution all the time) and plus, there is NO PROVE.
I don't care, it's just funny to me, that's all.
:smokin:Why do persist in telling lies on here..just to spout hate out of your mouth?? You know you never answered the question either.You have issues with me because once again I spoke my opinion and you could not answer my questio :smokin: nabout the Numbers correct. Right. As for your slug about why we were both in prison..it is none of your concern. You didn't have to include me in your post to state your opinion on religion..you just like insulting me and twisting my posts..but hey thats your burden.You know nothing about me except what you read on here..if you don't like me fine but please stop attempting to interfere with every thread I post on....or at the least when you can't answer a question don't lie okay..okay. :smokin:Quote:
Originally Posted by lemonboy
Lies? Of course they are lies. Not a simple misunderstanding or a misinterpretation of your words but I am a liar. You're EXACTLY right. I only know what I read about you. So, correct or clarify but don't call me a liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelbay
I made no judgments about you being in prison. Like I said I am involved in prison outreach and I wouldn't be if I didn't want to. How can you bash that? As for me interfering with "every thread" you post on. This is the second, it wasn't directed at you, and I will reply to any thread I like.
There is no need to over-react and get upset. This is an internet forum meant for discussion not just smiles and nods. You have your values... fantastic. So do I.
haha...NOW i know what YOUR problem is...hahaha..nothing to do with this is it?? lol..thanks for the email you know who. :thumbsup: And you are a liar..try smiling instead of arrogance. I can't believe I forgot our "first" discussion. Hope your finances are in better shape.Really. :smokin:Quote:
Originally Posted by lemonboy
Greetings torog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
First, although I do not believe in god, I still have my spirituality. I know your faith in god has been very spiritually fullfiling, and I'm sure it's all you'll need. but there are those, like myself, who can find their spiritual fullfilment elsewhere, in my case through the teachings of Buddha.
In my case, and that of many other people, I decided to seek guidance elsewhere because I just can't bring myself to believe in god. I was raised christian, but I've researched every debate, every argument, every article I could find to prove the existence of god, and it all fell flat in it's logic. I've searched relentlessly for years, but I've yet to find a single argument that wasn't fallable.
Believe me, there is nothing more I'd like than to believe in god. To find out that we're all taken care of, that justice will innevitably be served for all, that I'll never die. There are actually times when I envy those who believe in god, to live securely in the knowledge of such a wonderfull existence. I'd be the most happy person on earth if I found out that it was all true, but I personally can't believe something just because I want to (I'm not saying that's the case for you or anybody in particular).
However, I see your spirituality has made you a pretty respectable person, so to each is own I guess.
Actually I haven't a clue what you are talking about but I suppose I'll let it rest. I'm not really comfortable with where you are taking this and am frankly surprised. I value my safety and security a lot and expect others would as well.
if you believe in god -- you believe in all gods. in death, religion was created as a form of control. "anything is possible with god", which is why i firmly believe that if we all believed in ourselves with the kind of faith people worship to god(s) --we, too, could create a wholesome reality.
christians..those dudes who killed all those kitties b/c they thought they were evil? was that before or after the children's crusade :confused:
Graffiti on the wall at my school:
"Like it or not, God made pot"
I figure out the God thing a couple years after I figured out the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. It wasn't that hard, for me at least. But most people still can't see that there's as much evidence going for God as there is for the other ones. It's a culturally transmitted idea, passed from generation to generation by parents and society, not an actual entity.
Someone been reading Vonnegut?Quote:
Originally Posted by Euphoric
Hey Torog and Shelbay...Im with Yall, though Im only 17...guess I dont have as much of that lifetime experience as you guys:p.
peace
SG :thumbsup:
THANK YOUQuote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
man was not CREATED, he evolved from circumstanceQuote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs