What religion-spirituality are you?

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there is no truth if there is no false.

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Wow you couldn't be more wrong. Thereis a truth and there is a false, such as skin is the outter most orange of the body. TRUE. Lol andways you don't need science to have a religious belief. Many say that science will destroy your faith and vis versa. I put them together and BOOM you have my faith...well not that simple but you get what I'm saying....or do you? Maybe you don't, thats not uncommon since it is hard for 2 people to share the exact idea. Somethings always different. What is fact and fiction can be choosen by anyone. My facts can be your fictions.

I don't think your post really disproves my comment. You say that there is a truth and there is a false, and that was exactly what I was saying. I was saying that if there was nothing false then how could you define something as true. It's like the question if there was no evil would there be good.

the truth is true, the false is false, therefore false does not exist, and is only an illusion cast by a weak and/or closed ego. therefore truth is only as false as an individual percieves.


seeing as how the truth is nothing, and false is the opposite of truth, false is everything.




which, i think, means...


lighten the fuck up, nothing matters, get over yourselves and your boring egos, let's do something entertaining for a change.

mind = everything exists but it (everything) cant truly be defined unless its agreed by all minds which means for earth..all human beings. but even so... humans have a conscience and with that they know the infinity of everything so logicaly other minds exists and thus making again everything untruly defined if the others minds differ from ours...and so on...

no mind= nothing exists......period

simple

I want to smoke so bad =( its been like 1 month now!!! Oh! most important thing since what i wrote up there leads nowhere humm forget wut is said and have fun and smoke smoke smoke!! be happy =)

im a jedi :D

on the whole thoughts thing ... look
you can think you're immortal, but that doesn't make it so
so no, your thoughts are not infallable once they have left your head and materialized as words / actions that make you look like a jackass

if you just sit there and think them.. then sure, whatever you say, but keep it in your head


:smokin:

thoughts are very multi layered and enigmatic nothings which require a lot of focus to truly tame, meditation helps one excel in taming their ego, and can ultimately lead to a higher plane of reality.

different planes of reality are affected by the same universe in different ways than the other planes.

have you seen or feel or whatever these other planes my friend? =D

Christ is the way! :thumbsup: :rasta:

one common plane we all see nad feel: the dream.

what about death? a way to another plane??? perhaps

death is an illusion, a joke.

actually more of a punchline than a joke, but a joke never the less, mroe liek a one liner...


death does not exist, you do not die. you give up, and leave the body due to intolerable circumstances:
too much pain, you cannot tolerate the misery, you give up.
when life becomes "too much" death occurs.

lol im too tolerant given how intolerant i am :P

I am a secular humanist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humanism

Secular humanism is that branch of philosophy that advocates the use of reason, compassion, scientific inquiry, ethics, justice and a presumption of equality within a worldview centered upon human beings. The term was originally coined in the 20th century to make a clear distinction from "Christian humanism". A perhaps less confrontational synonym is scientific humanism, which the biologist Edward O. Wilson termed "the only world-view compatible with science's growing knowledge of the real world and the laws of nature".

Secular humanism is distinguished from the broader category of humanism in that the secular humanist prefers free inquiry over dogmatic wisdom—upholding the scientific method for inquiry, while rejecting revealed knowledge and theistic morality, though not necessarily faith. Secular humanism has appeal to atheists, agnostics, freethinkers, objectivists, rationalists, skeptics and materialists, as well as to some Buddhists and Confucians.

Its basic tenets may be simplified as:
* Humans have value and can solve human problems;
* Science, free speech, rational thought, democracy, and freedom in the arts go together;
* There is nothing supernatural.

im a new age shaman of a ufology path of spirituality but still believe in most or all religions, including jesus. He did once say the kingdom of god is in us all and he didnt write the bible, was anti religion and a rebel. basically, like the new age protestors of today, only he had more clowt.

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I am a secular humanist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humanism

Secular humanism is that branch of philosophy that advocates the use of reason, compassion, scientific inquiry, ethics, justice and a presumption of equality within a worldview centered upon human beings. The term was originally coined in the 20th century to make a clear distinction from "Christian humanism". A perhaps less confrontational synonym is scientific humanism, which the biologist Edward O. Wilson termed "the only world-view compatible with science's growing knowledge of the real world and the laws of nature".

Secular humanism is distinguished from the broader category of humanism in that the secular humanist prefers free inquiry over dogmatic wisdomâ??upholding the scientific method for inquiry, while rejecting revealed knowledge and theistic morality, though not necessarily faith. Secular humanism has appeal to atheists, agnostics, freethinkers, objectivists, rationalists, skeptics and materialists, as well as to some Buddhists and Confucians.

Its basic tenets may be simplified as:
* Humans have value and can solve human problems;
* Science, free speech, rational thought, democracy, and freedom in the arts go together;
* There is nothing supernatural.

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science and the laws of nature dont apply to the supernatural activities or abilities of people and life forms, becuase they are not of the natural world, or physical one. Thoughts do not exist on a physical level but we all know they exist, why then do people try to say the supernatural does not exist because they havent been able to pinpoint, document, and catalogue physical properties of supernatural experiences, abilities, etc, or occurrences of the supernatural.
all religions and paths of spirituality said the gods, god, or humanity originated from the sky, and the size of the universe has proven this is possible. UFO's have been recorded throughout all of pre history (and recorded history) on earth, so yes science is catching up with the supernatural, slowly though.

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Originally Posted by sugarmagnolia

methinks you should stand back and not make an illogical attack on mr. devious. He thinks on a higher level than you do, because he is able to distinguish between what is known as fact and what is an opinion. Your brain i can presume is just a jumble of ideas. tell me, how do you distinguish between scientific fact and religious belief? you don't. and that is what makes your process of thinking less reliable and illogical.

there is no truth if there is no false.

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known fact and opinions of society are the same, they cannot be taken as the truth unless experienced by the self. people lie, so many so called factual events of society were in fact lies.

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Originally Posted by magnusalex

science and the laws of nature dont apply to the supernatural activities or abilities of people and life forms, becuase they are not of the natural world, or physical one.

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Which is, actually, the only world I have any evidence of.

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Thoughts do not exist on a physical level but we all know they exist,

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Wrong. We do have concrete, physical evidence that thoughts exist. It is a well known fact that the brain is composed of trillions of neurons, and we can look at the patterns of the neurons and the blood flow and such in the brain to discern what parts of the brain are involved in what kinds of cognitive tasks. This suggests that thought has a very real physical basis, in the brain. If there really was a "soul" out there that was controlling all our thoughts, it wouldn't need a brain to do all the work for it. And if it really was controlling our thoughts, there ought to be some evidence of that. At some point, the supernatural world of the soul has to interact with the physical world of our body in such a way that is not predictable by the laws of physics. However, everything we observe does follow the laws of physics. If there is a supernatural world, we have no evidence of it interacting with ours, and if it doesn't interact with ours, what's the use in even talking about it? It has no effect whatsoever on our universe.

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why then do people try to say the supernatural does not exist because they havent been able to pinpoint, document, and catalogue physical properties of supernatural experiences, abilities, etc, or occurrences of the supernatural.

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Because if there was conclusive evidence of the "supernatural", it wouldn't be supernatural to begin with. It would be natural, that is to say, part of the understandable, observable universe. If you have some conclusive evidence I've overlooked that there really is a soul world out there, please do share it with me. But don't pretend it's "supernatural" if you claim to have evidence of it and claim to understand how it works within the framework of the universe. Because then it's no more supernatural than radio waves or quantum mechanics.

If the supernatural world really does interact with our physical universe on a daily basis, as every person who believes in it will attest, why is it so notoriously difficult to find the slightest shred of evidence? Six billion people having so many spiritual connections would surely be able to come up with a fair number of instances in which the known laws of physics do not seem to apply. But the only evidence I see is parlor tricks like bending spoons and cold reading that any stage magician could easily do. Please, enlighten me with the body of evidence which convinced you that this is beyond a doubt the way the universe works. If you can't bring up any real evidence, how can I believe your extraordinary claims?

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all religions and paths of spirituality said the gods, god, or humanity originated from the sky, and the size of the universe has proven this is possible. UFO's have been recorded throughout all of pre history (and recorded history) on earth, so yes science is catching up with the supernatural, slowly though.

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It would be rather strange if people never saw things in the sky, don't you think? There's all sorts of junk up there: comets, meteors, stars, planets, clouds, birds, and now airplanes, satellites, blimps, and all of this is subject to the wacky effects that our atmosphere has to light under certain conditions. It's no wonder people report seeing unfamiliar things in the sky. But I don't get how you draw from these reports the conclusion that they can only be explained by life evolving on some planet, then evolving consciousness, then evolving technology without wiping itself out, then becoming a spacefaring civilization, and travelling the immense interstellar distances to a little planet we know as Earth. That just sounds a little far-fetched, if you ask me, and I would like to see some really conclusive evidence before I jump to that conclusion. As Carl Sagan put it, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

Okay, I have to run, but with a smile on my face.

Something to ponder...is it the thoughts we're recording or the thought process, being captured and utilized by the brain, that we're recording?

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Originally Posted by magnusalex

why then do people try to say the supernatural does not exist because they havent been able to pinpoint, document, and catalogue physical properties of supernatural experiences, abilities, etc, or occurrences of the supernatural.

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Perhaps you might see the faulty logic of this statement if I replace the word "supernatural" with "unicorn":

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why then do people try to say the unicorn does not exist because they havent been able to pinpoint, document, and catalogue physical properties of unicorn experiences, abilities, etc, or occurrences of the unicorn.

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I'm a hybrid

*satanist
*wiccan
*new age (celestine)
*shaman

i love studying magecraft and enchanting also.

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Perhaps you might see the faulty logic of this statement if I replace the word "supernatural" with "unicorn":

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Now replace the word you with God.

Perhaps God might see...

Better yet, replace beachguy with a unicorn.

Unicorn in thongs

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

If the supernatural world really does interact with our physical universe on a daily basis, as every person who believes in it will attest, why is it so notoriously difficult to find the slightest shred of evidence? Six billion people having so many spiritual connections would surely be able to come up with a fair number of instances in which the known laws of physics do not seem to apply. But the only evidence I see is parlor tricks like bending spoons and cold reading that any stage magician could easily do. Please, enlighten me with the body of evidence which convinced you that this is beyond a doubt the way the universe works. If you can't bring up any real evidence, how can I believe your extraordinary claims?

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it's very simple. the 'supernatural' can not and will not be proven by conventional scientific means because, as you stated, it would cease to be supernatural. all things supernatural or tied in with religion require faith. that is, in order to have a spirituality, you have to have faith in a higher plane of reality, existence of a soul, or whatever your particular belief structure holds true to.
if these things could be proven scientifically, they would cease to be supernatural and become scientific fact, which would remove the single most important element of spirituality: faith.

for every jackass pulling spoon bending parlor tricks there is a legit documented 'phenomenon' that science can not explain. you keep yelling for proof of the supernatural, but anyone with faith knows that can not and will not happen, but could just as easily call for you to disprove it, which is equally impossible. just because there is no scientific evidence does not mean that it doesn't exist, and conversely there is also no scientific evidence to directly prove that it doesn't.

furthermore, with mind/body medicine and biofeedback technology being recently investigated / developed, science has proven that there is a bioelectric energy field that is a part of us all, it has been scientifically identified and measured, yet it is still not understood and nobody can explain how it works or even what it is. for example, western science has absolutely no working knowledge of how/why acupuncture works, only that it does indeed work. the most widely accepted theory is that our nervous system, workin on electrical impulses, is merely a vehicle or connection for the body with its bioelectric energy, and that acupuncture works by regulating the body using that energy field via the nervous system. this is, still theory, but the most accepted theory until proven otherwise. the classical texts of this 7,000 year old healing art claim that it works by regulating the body through a universal life force, or Qi (chi), which is not at al lfar off from the scientific explanation. yet we still have no understanding of how/why it works after 7,000 years of proof that it does indeed work, including recent studies by western medicine.

stop asking for proof of others' faith, unless you can directly disprove it.

"Its basic tenets may be simplified as:
* Humans have value and can solve human problems;
* Science, free speech, rational thought, democracy, and freedom in the arts go together;
* There is nothing supernatural."

lol there is nothing supernatural about the paranormal

there is nothing paranormal about the supernatural, they are boring and old, like the physical is. those of us who can see and sense the so-called "supernatural" and those of us who block our minds from it. :D

free will is freedom, quite simple isnt it?

not as they are now! humans are too ignorant and stupid, they are too conditioned to solve their own problems, only the rich and powerful have the potential to solve any problems, and they're too rich and conditioned by money to care!