Well, I did say I wouldn't see them in my lifetime... Anyways, It's only natural to feel some kidda sarrow when a loved one goes (death or otherwise).
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Well, I did say I wouldn't see them in my lifetime... Anyways, It's only natural to feel some kidda sarrow when a loved one goes (death or otherwise).
well stoner wolf, it appears that you are really attacking those that have no belief in the afterlife. You fail to respect are belief in this and you don't really understand what we are talking about because of this.
so listen: not everyone has your strange viewpoints and belief in the afterlife. and stop preaching saying that what you think is the truth. Even if you strongly believe it, we don't and we will not accept this as the truth, or even as a reasonable response to what we are typing.
I was having similar thoughts to Openmind the other day: what is it about dying that's inherently wrong? I'm not posting to be a dick, I'd like a genuine answer to the question.
And in my opinion, claiming 'the grief it'll cause your family/friends is enough to make it immoral' is bunk- it should be your decision to die if you want to do it, and surely the sadness it causes others is easily outweighed by the sadness you're already feeling (or at least i'd assume so if you're feeling tormented enough to overcome the instinct to survive).
While you can enjoy life, for every up there seems to be a down making living seem more 'neutral' than anything 'good'. Why would being dead be any better or worse? Dying seems like just another stage to go through in life.
I believe that the main thing keeping me alive at the moment is the survival instinct we all have. The only thing that makes people shocked that Openmind wants to die is this subconcious-but irrational-feeling that death is a terrible thing. The only reason we have this instinct is evolution, which doesn't make the instinct a 'good' thing in itself, it's just the logical way to be if we want to reproduce (people without the instinct would happily go for a painless death).
Beyond that, my advice for you (Openmind) is to take out 10 minutes of your time to give this
a look. It's NOT like other preachy ideologies that tell you what is evil and good- it's completely hedonistic (built around pleasure rather than worship) and is totally built on logic. Just give it a glance before you make any final decisions :)
ur ideas aren't built on logic. The quest to live and survive is the logical idea. It's illogical to kill yourself claiming that it is just part of nature. Do you see animals killing themselves? It's illogical to kill yourself because you believe in an after-life. Taking chances with pure ignorance is not logical.
:rasta: There is one good reason not to kill yourself...and no it's not herb but you can have all the herb you want with this reason.......
The best reason ever not to kill yourself, (unless in prison forever)......IS that instead......you should really just do WHATEVER YOU WANT...and then if you die while doing it or after doing it then well shit, and don't hurt anyone else for fucks sake.....but hey if your going to die and the reason you want to die is the Cycle that i understand sooooo well
so fuck it just do what you want.....tell everyone to fuck offf...literally.....walk down the road and keep going till you get somewhere...hell walk till you fall over and die...that's not suicide...that is will which i think the pro-suicide desire so much.......
If you have the will to kill yourself then you have the will to do anything that you damn well want.....balls works both ways motherfuckers aye aye aye
:dance: :stoned: :stoned: :stoned: :stoned: :stoned:
So if your going to kill yourself to be in control of the dregs then don't you want to do shit before you die and at least be doing something you want to be doing when you do die.......as for life........read shit about m-theory and new physics shit and you will now that no one knows anything and it will all be a big fuckin surprise anyway which is EXACTLY why i say fuck it!!! JUST DO WHAT YOU WANT !!!!(except for kill yourself)_and goto CaptainPappyLand.com and maybe you will have something to laugh about.
hell that theory is the reason "Captain Pappy" exists so blam blam blam :rasta:
That's because if there were ever animals who did that, they'd be dead by now so we wouldn't see them around- it's called evolution. The only reason other creatures don't do it is because if those that didn't would have died and would not reproduce- just because we've evolved not to doesn't make it 'wrong' or 'immoral', it just proves it a bad path to take if you want to continue your species. You haven't given me any real reasons why it's wrong, just connotations. Can anyone give a fact (rather than opinion) to prove to me why dying is wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by sugarmagnolia
Oh, and I never claimed it was a 'natural' thing to do, I just stated that in the long-term there's no reason to consider it an immoral thing to do; there's no actual reason for it being considered a bad thing, we're just shocked by the idea.
But what if you WANT to kill yourself? Why would that actually be a bad thing? Aren't you contradicting the idea of hedonism by denying suicidal people the right to do exactly what they want?Quote:
Originally Posted by SativaTrip
look, i know no one can just simply accept what i say, and that's exactly why i am trying to hammer it in, because if i dont, you jsut get to put up with ten times worse than me when you die!Quote:
Originally Posted by sugarmagnolia
im trying to ease you into reality.
but you fight it, you'll fight it now, you'll fight it when your body dies, and the mental stress is just not worth fighting this!
but you're right, i haven't been very respectful of your beliefs, primarily because no one is very respectful to the real truth, the truth i can ee, the truth i wish i was blind to like the rest of you! honnestly, please dont take that as insulting... :( i know it is...
but yeh... i guess the only way i can prove it is for you to die :(
Wow...way to prove sugar right...you really can't see past your ideas...weren't you the same person who tells others to open your mind and see the truth. If you are unable to see our truths then you have no right to say that. You have stong faith in what you say but it still may not be true. I choose to take in what I heard and make my mind up after. Keep an open mind and see what makes sence to me. Your "theory" has some interesting ideas to it but to me you just seem like a person who truly fears the idea of death so you have decided that death is a new form of life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
well, we haven't heard from openmind in a while, but I've seen my fair share of people in forums saying "fuck you all I'm gonna kill myself now!" and coming on 2 months later pretending it never happened, so who really knows.
what the? i can see your truths, just beacuse i do not apply them to myself doesnt mean i dont see them!Quote:
Originally Posted by MudFu
what evidence do you have that i am not seeing your truths?
and just because i believe in an after life doesnt mean i fear death,
i could argue and say that because you believe in void-death, that you are afraid of a continuing life...
but i didnt attack you like that, did i?
emos kill themselves.
EMO
Attack? Someone is thats this to personaly. Also, I never fully came out and said what I believe about what can happen after death. You can not "attack" my ideas when I'm still trying to develope my ideas. I have no idea what to expect when I die and you do not either. All I meant was that you have no real idea that what you say is true, nor can I say it isn't true. You can be wrong just as people who believe in God. You just never know fully, not until the day you die. I don't know where you got the idea of me believing in a void-death, I never said anything that would show I do.
Well how about "no you dont understand, you WILL see them again, just not in this life, not in this body, well maybe you will see them again in a dream, but you will never see their body again, they are not gone, stop shutting them out as if they were." or "look, i know no one can just simply accept what i say, and that's exactly why i am trying to hammer it in, because if i dont, you jsut get to put up with ten times worse than me when you die!" How am I not suppose to take this as you nto seeing someone elses beliefs. You really do not seem to see or understand what someone who has a different view of yours sees and you don't seem to try and understand. You try to force your ideas onto us. Saying something like "Trying to hammer it in" is just enough proof I need. If anyone started attacking someone elses ideas it was you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
"am I not suppose to take this as you nto seeing someone elses beliefs"
i never said you were wrong, i never said that im right, i am simply putting what i see out there, and you want to attack me for the way i say it, go right on ahead, i know i say it without uncertenty, not without reason, but just because i know what i know doesnt mean im not going to let you believe what you want to believe, stop taking my "opinion" so personally!
I'm not taking it personally. I'm just saying you can not tell someone to believe in something else cuz their idea isn't right. "im not going to let you believe what you want to believe" but it is my beliefs, why do you feel that you have the right to make me change them...or anyone else. Unless I have been reading what your saying wrong, which it does happen but I don't really think I am. Can we stop using this word "attack". No one is really attacking anything that someone is saying, we are just sharing our views on a topic, I never saw anything you said or I said or anyone else in this topic as an attack...I shouldn't have used the word in my last post but it was only cuz you sued it I did too. Lol anyways...
woah woah woah, hold up, who's forcing what here? i never once said you cant believe what you want, i am ONLY telling it as it is, weather or not you believe it is YOUR CHOICE, i can only hope to convice you!
i AM NOT forcing anything! if i were to force it, i'd threaton you, i'd call you names, i'd attack you, but i am trying my damnedest not to!
if you percieve attacks or force from me, i dont know how you do, it is so completely unintentional. please, i do not mean to force anything, if you feel like i am forcing anything on you, no offence, but that appears weak minded to me, if you feel that my constant babbling of what i know and believe is forcing you to change your thoughts, that is weak minded, hold fast to what you feel is RIGHT, dont listen to others unless you think they have a good enough point, dont be weak minded and feel like you're being forced to believe anything.
Ok look fine "force" is a stong word. But hows push. You push your idea. Its not as threating and it does not mean the same as to force. Anyways I didn't say you were changing my mind cuz once again I will say this I do not have everything set in my mind yet. I am still unsure what to believe. This is kidda one of the reasons I ask a lot a questions and at times it tends to get out of hand and this it comes off as I'm mad when I really am not...I also tend to say certin words I shouldn't. Anyways, all I was trying to say to you was that you can not disprove anothers idea because is does not go with your idea. You can say something like "well I believe" but when you say something like "I'm telling it as it is" it makes it seem like you show no respect to anothers beliefs and while the truth is no one knows if their beliefs are truly right.
okay, i understand better :) thanks for not being an immature pissant and just chalking it up to anything, at least you tried to help me understand, not many people are actualyl that considerate (or paitent) anymore :(
now, whilst i cannot disprove other ideas and beliefs (this is impossible, given the truth) i CAN try to aid you all in finding and understanding the truth.
ther eis only one truth that is both true and universal, it is what we all are, and it is what creates reality, therefore reality is directly a result of what we, the truth, believe, doubt, and fear.
this cannot be proven, because we cannot see it happening right away.
in fact, all the cartoons and movies and tv shows ever created are REAL, but it might take 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 EONS before they become PHYSICALLY real.
it takes the thought and belief of something to create it, and it takes a LOT of thought energy.
thought energy is zero point, all you have to do is observe a thought and energy will be added to that thought. if you think it enough, it eventually becomes true, because YOU ARE THE TRUTH.
i know im doing a terrible job at aiding people to finding the truth; im just saying it as it is, not giving people much room to explore and find it themselves, but knowing this, i WANT you to explore and find the truth on your own understanding, it is because of this that i CANNOT deny you any of your beliefs. i just have the habit of telling it as it is, and often mistake opinions as debate lol TERRIBLY sorry all :D
Do you mean to say that the truth is pre-made, and that a simple thought no matter what can be the truth as well? And thanks I try not to be much of an ass but at times I really come across as one.
yeah me too lol, but if i am agged on, i am an asshole and proud of it :D
and yes, given that the truth is eternal, and singular, all things are a product of the truth.