Crap...
Another $20 wasted...
But thanks for the heads up seedbare! :)
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Crap...
Another $20 wasted...
But thanks for the heads up seedbare! :)
Day 4 Update
Hello guys....
Here are my two fastest growers on Day 4. :D
Hello...
I'd like to get your input on my plants' growth.
First pic shows Day 4 and 5...
Second pic shows current setup. Fan is out of view, but it's placed correctly, thus there's no heat build-up in the bulbs or in the plants. Yes, the plants are fluttering lightly back and forth because of the slight wind.
Remember, these are going to be mother plants. I'll take clones from these, and 12/12 them to determine the sex... once I've got the females, then I take the clones from those to make the real grow. :)
So, what do you think?
-turtle420 :cool:
looking good, stem is growing. keep up the good work. keep them lights close so it dont start to stretch too much.
keep us updated
Here's a pic of Day 6.
They had a 7 hour dark period today, because the power went out... Don't know if that helped.
:)
nice job its looking good so far the light is close enough now keep it there so they dont strech my first indoor grow i had the light 18 inches from the top of the soil and the plants sprouted so tall they just fell over and died so keep it close learn from ur mistakes write everything down it will help
HugeBuds,
Thanks for the tips... :)
Here you've got a couple of pictures. I have a temperature/humidity meter, which I'll use for the actual 12plant SCRoG... anyways, I placed the probe on top of the soil of the two fastest growers, and the temperature was very concerning.
I recorded a max temperature of 101.3 degrees Farenheit. After some alterations to the fan height/angle/speed setup, the temperature got to 94.6 degrees Farenheit.
101.3 F = 38.5 C
94.6 F = 34.8 C
Humidity, as you can see in the meter pic, is @ 77%. That's the ambient humidity,,, no humidifiers or de-humidifiers.
Anyway, tomorrow, I'm going to instal another fan, circulating air more directly to the plants. Hope that helps.
Ideas, suggestions? Thanks for the input,
-turtle420 :cool:
Here are some pics from the girls...
You have a Day 6 & 7 comparison of the same plant. It grew much, much faster than the average growth from the other two plants.
This was probably due (please, give input) to the fact that they had a long 12 hours dark period. I guess it stretched. But I think that if I keep the lights 24/0 I can stop them from growing that fast.
I have to do some modifications today to the cooling fans, or else the plants are going to have to have another dark period tonight. And we don't want that... thus, to work!
Please provide input, if any. :)
-turtle420 :cool:
Ok first of all your temps are a very big conern to me.. "photosynthesis is best performed in temps ranging from 74-78 degrees celcius" - Garden Knowm. THIS IS IMPERATIVE. 80 is OK... 90, pushing it... Anything above and your asking for hermaphodites. Those generic reading cfl's aren't going to cut it either, they are neither sufficient in lumens much less spectrum.. I would say definitely switch to your 400w Mh A.S.A.P. But keep in mind this is going to create even more heat problems.. your going to have to accomidate with an extra fan or two.. two if they're crappy one if it's decently powerful. Just position it to blow on the lights upward, to push the hot air up. Hope some of this helps..
Cheers :D
Whoa. That's 74-78 degrees farenheit :oQuote:
Originally Posted by RastaKaze
Thanks Rasta...
Here's my situation as to the air temperature:
My current temp. is @: 86.0 F. This is the reading from the probe that's on top of the soil.
My ambient air temperature is 85.4 F. So, I think everything is doing pretty good to have a 0.6 F increase in temperatures.
In order to lower the temperature even more, I'm going to have to instal a a/c unit or something... ?!?!?!?!! Woa!!! I think that's just too much... My plants will have to cut it with 86 - 90 F temps.
The only way I'm installing an a/c system into the plants is if the temps inside my cabinet go over 90F when I've got both HPS + MH going... If, with those two bulbs, and all the fans I'm going to install, the temp still soars over 90F, fuck it... a/c it is.
This sucks for me, thou....
Thanks for the input Rasta!
-turtle420 :cool:
Holy Fuck, Mother Fucking Fucking Fuck!
I just installed my 400W MH... Hole FUCK! That shit is bright!
Now I'm part of the legion of growers that are blind because of their lights. Now I'm part of that brotherhood... yes, that brotherhood of mini-inside-Suns... NOW! My plants will know what 'broad spectrum' really means.... Now my plants know the superior reflective capabilities of Mylar. Yes! Yes! Yes!!!
There's a pic below of the setup. I'm sorry for the light mount... but I was very tired and I gave it only 5 minutes of my time. I have a reflector in my posession... but I cannot use it. Maybe I'll be able to use it in the future, but for now, I've got to permit it to take usable space inside my home while I'm unable to take advantage of its reflective capabilities.
There's another reflector that's supposed to ship out of California today... but that means I'll be getting it next week....
I think I'm going to go ahead and use the reflector I've got.
<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>
As to the cabinet, I covered it with Mylar yesterday. Wow! Impressive shit.
I'm going to see if I can buy a floor fan today, and some of HarddOn's creepy cardboard... This way, I'll make the necessary holes into the cabinet, and make some exhaust systems and air intakes... because I need to place the door back on the cabinet ASAP... MY ENTIRE ROOM was illuminated throughout the entire night!
I guess the neighborghs where thinking...: "Well, there goes turtle again with his cold fusion experiments..." :D
With the new light, I've been able to keep the temps @ a max of 89 F.
Thanks people. Looking forward to input,
-turtle420 :cool:
PS: I had to instal the MH yesterday, because I compared my plants with RastaKaze's on day 5, and Rasta's plants will woop my plants' asses anyday... that sucks. He had a MH going on... and I had CFLs. But I had a MH just sitting there... so I said 'Fuck it!' and went ahead and did the installation. I'll never forget the funny colors the bulb goes through when it turns on... Yeah... I still see them 8 hours later. LOL!!!
AWSOME :) HD would love this, man I can tell your gonna be like 9skis and the rest of us that are kinda new to this... we don't know shit, but when someone says something needs to change, we just do it... The pics kinda far away so I cant tell what difference the mh has made, but man do they look a richer green! Your gonna fine, may I suggest watering with superthrive? A few drops in a gallon should do it. Also, do you have mylar reflecting the light back down? There's gotta be something reflective on her roof.. also next time you stop by the garden store I'd pick up a bag of "alabastar stone chips" and add a layer to the top of your soil.. this will decrease the amount of light being absorbed by things OTHER then plant material. Lookin' good, keep doing what your doing :D
Peace
Also when you transplant, use a hell of alot more perlite. atleast 30% perlite. I use 50/50. Not alot of people take this advice but man it makes such a huge difference.. you see perlite dosen't hold water so if you have a 50/50 perlite/peat mix not only is there MORE oxygen available for the roots to thrive on, but it's more lightweight therefore allows the roots to grow through the medium easier (which means an overall healtheir and more robust root system), not to mention it's very hard to water.
Peace :)
Hello guys... I've got a couple of ideas bouncing around in my head...
Ok, my cabinet is 40"x20" and about 46" high. Perfectly sealed if need be.
I'm about to buy one of those Dayton fans to exhaust the air from inside the grow room... and then buy a leaf blower to push air through the reflector housing.
IDEA: What do you think if... if I make the room sealed... and use CO2....
I could buy a water chiller [http://cgi.ebay.com/Oasis-Drinking-F...QQcmdZViewItem ].
This water chiller, I connect a water pump, a small radiator (like the ones used for engine oil/transmission oil coolers) with a fan... I cool the water with the chiller, then move that water into the oil cooler... so, basically, it would be like a mini air conditioning unit.
I could then inject CO2 into the cabinet... plus keep my temps down. The things that I'm unsure about are how many BTUs does the water chiller have capability for.
Ideas? Suggestions? Thanks !
-turtle420 :cool:
Wish I could help but that's zandor level stuff.. hell I wish anyone could help ya, wtf is it me or have the forums been kinda deserted with HD's departion... oh well. good luck to ya, I hope things work out
Hello guys...
I need help!
Here's my situation... where I live, the average temp is about 80 F (night 74F, day 87 F ).
I'm unable to get the temperature of my box down... It's hovering in the 90's. Sometimes 91F. If I get in the way of the fans, it can reach 96F in less than a minute. Seems I'm running an F1 engine or something... :(
My box is less than 35 cubic feet. I've got a leaf blower cooling the reflector housing right now. The reflector housing is one of those that you install a glass below the bulbs, and then you have a "sealed" reflector... so all the hot air stays inside the reflector... or so the theory goes.
Again, I've got a freaking leaf blower cooling that thing. It's rated @ 275CFM. 7.5AMPs. And a SHITLOAD of noise. Unberable!
QUESTION: Are Dayton fans quieter? What about the 265 CFM version? Quieter than a freaking leaf blower? What about the 465 CFM version?
I just can't stand the noise. That leaf blower is driving me insane!!! In fact, after I write this and post it, I'll be turning off the lights just because of the freaking noise... :(
The Second QUESTION: What do you suggest for cooling the box inside?
In order to provide air circulation to the small plants, I've got a tower fan laying horizontally and pointing towards the plants. Now, what can I get to exchange the air quickly enough inside the 35ft^3 box? 465CFM? or 265CFM?
In addition to all this, I cannot close the door of my cabinet because the temps will just soar... I've got an 18" floor fan blowing air into the cabinet all over.
??!?!!! H E E E E E E L P ! ! ! !
Thank you very much,
-turtle420 :cool:
PS: Can somebody give me input on the idea of using the water chiller as a quasi-a/c unit?
How are they lookin'? Let's see some pics.. if they don't appear to be suffering from the heat then you should be ok.
Rasta, thanks for replying man... it gives me a sense of hope...
Dude, here you have three pics... what do you think?
I'm headed out the door right now... so I'll check your replies later today. Thanks man!
-turtle420 :cool:
Well I don't see anything WRONG with any of them... one's deformed, that might pose a problem for you later on, but otherwise they're just slow growers. A few things could be causing this.. how often is the air in your growroom replaced? Where is your air coming from? Hopefully not from inside... stale air can really stunt a plant, so if you dont have a co2 system, you should try to configure a way to pull in fresh air and have it vented out of the growroom.. You can manage this with as little as a few dryer tubes a fan and a garbage bag.. Just have the "intake" end of the tube and stick it out a window and cover up the open area with a sheet of cardboard or something.. This is SUPER important. Below pic 1 is my first attempt at (2) weeks... pretty sad :o I had no true ventilation, simply a mess of fans blowing every which way. Pic 2 is my second attemp at 2 weeks, and as you can see, FRESH air makes a hell of a difference. And if already HAVE fresh air coming in, then I'd have to say It's your soil. It looks like it has a high bark content, and not much perlite, Making this another possiblity of the slow growing. Ya see the all that bark forces the roots to go under more stress then they should have to, and on they're way to the bottom of the pot they have to work around all that bark and can sometimes get entangled. Not only that, but if you have a ton of bark in your soil that's less actual volume in the pot for your roots to thrive in. Get back to me on those two issues and if we can't figure this thing out on our own we'll call in the big boys... Zandor? latewood! Garden Knowm... Hardonn? :D
Peace
Rasta,
Thanks dude!
As to the soil... well, I guess I can re-plant them... but I think it would be better for them to grow a little bit more... they seem too fragile to get transplanted now... I think.
As to the fresh air... well, I'm going to try and improve the airflow... but in my house, airflow is pretty good. I mean, I constantly get a good breeze from one side of my house to the other... but anyways, I'll try and help in that aspect a little bit.
Right now, I'm going to try and build a 'cone' for a 18" floor fan... Hopefully, I can get good airflow with this setup and it won't be so noisy as the fucking leaf blower... ARGHHH!!!! The leaf blower!!! It's driving me insane!!! Insane in the membrane!!! Insane in the brain!
I'll update soon,
-turtle420 :cool:
Ideally you should repot A.S.AP. It will be impossible to seperate the toot systems of those two in a few weeks.. You could just rip up your deformed one if you wanted to wait a bit to repot.. but if you want to help them grow faster then you should do it now. Simply cut the bottom off a 2 liter and place it around your seedling then push down and pull your root ball up.. I wouldn't think the roots even have much mass to them, and have confidence that you could do it completely stress-free. For soil: Pick up a bag of peat moss, and a bag of perlite, mix it 50/50. This will be perfect for the young plant.. shape a hole in your saturated mix and place your babies in carefully and cover the top wth a little more of your soil mix, they will love you for it. For airflow I reccomend taking one of your fans and tying it up in a garbage bag, then you can rip holes in the garbage bag near the front and back of the fan. Then you can buy a long ass peice of dryer hose and possibilties will be limitless... you will be able to feed the intake tube out of ANY window in your house, plus it's easy to hide if you have visitors... just scrunch up the tubing and put the fan in your grow room! :D
Yo Rasta!
Dude, please elaborate a little bit more on the fan/garbage bag thing....
I take a fan... let's use a pedestal fan for clarity's sake.
Ok, so I take this pedestal fan, and I put a garbage bag over it. Completely covering it. Right?
Then I... I poke holes in front and back? So, then, I hook-up the dryer hose to the bag... ??? Got it right?
Or is it::: I place the bag so that when the fan turns ON, the bag fills up with air... Then, I place my dryer hose at the end of this bag... Is this it?
Rasta, thanks for all the replies dude... I know this is going to be a kick-ass grow...
I'm experimenting with the bag right now... I just built yet another one of my super-duper fan cones and it doesn't work. !!!! Arghhh...!!!
I'll check back in 15 minutes... :) Thanks Rasta!
-turtle420 :cool:
1. Prepare your intake/exaust tubes...
2. Grab a regular ol' desk fan from the drug store...
3. Get yourself a garbage bag, cut a hole with a pair of scissors at the bottom of the bag to feed the wire through...
4. Pull you wire through...
5. Tie up the entire fan with the wire feeding out of it's base.......
Yeah!!! That's my homie!!!
Ok dude... I'm following you... I'm reloading... :) :) :) :) :) :)
6. Start a hole with your fingers on the back of the fan, then do the same on the front.
7. Work your dryer hose to fit the holes and wuala fresh air. You'll know if you did it right when you smell the exaust... It should smell like outside :D
Let me know how it works!
Peace
Rasta dude...
My friend, I'll get to work right now. I'll give you an update... about 15 minutes...
Wait... I need to go to Walgreens to buy some big trash bags... the ones I've got are too small for the fan I've got.
I'll should be updating my status in about 60 minutes... :)
THANKS dude! I'll let you know in a while. ;)
Rasta,
Ok, here are two pics of try #1.
I placed the dryer hose off-center on purpose, because in my fan, in the front-center of the grill, it has the logo of the company... and on the rear, it has the motor protruding.
So I thought airflow was going to be hampered by it. I'm going to re-do the thing with another trash bag... with the ducts (dryer hose) on-center. Update in a couple of minute. :thumbsup:
-turtle420 :cool:
PS: Hey Rasta... I see in your pics that your dryer hose is like 6 inches in diameter... I'm probably off... but anyways, what's the diameter? I'm using a 4" duct... ??? :stoned:
PSS:... Hey dude, this icon :rasta: has your name. :thumbsup:
Fuckin' awsome :D You did right by having the duct off center... I'm usin a 6" tube, but it really dosen't matter what size it is.. because the fan's tied up in a trashbag the only source of air it has is from the intake tube, so every bit of air exausting is from oustide. You don't even need to have a powerful gust of air... as long as you can feel a light breeze or temperature difference when you place your hand next to the exaust duct, you've done good :cool:
Ok, update...
I've cut-up the 1st trash bag, then replaced it with a second one. The second one, I placed the ducts on-center, and, well, um, kind off blew less.
So, I'll cut-up this bag again, and the re-do it with a 3rd one. On that one, place the ducts slight off-center again, and I was thinking of playing a little bit with 'spacers' for the ducts... so they're not 100% against the fan. I think it might help to give them about 0.5" or 1" between the duct and the fan.
I'll try this, to see how it goes. Tomorrow. I'm just too stoned right now.
I hope this works... I was thinking that maybe I can buy a smaller fan... like the ones on your pictures. Tomorrow. :) Maybe that has better performance.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed... I'm telling you, that cabinet is pretty hot.
So, as it stands, RECAP:
I'll install the RastaFan for fresh air exchange with my windows... hopefully I can get a 6" duct.
I'll install my tower fan horizontally (have to build the stand for that) so it blows air on top of the plants.
I'll try and get some switches for the leaf blower, try and get it on a lower speed (less noise)... I need to have that reflector cool.
Thinking, I'm thinking....
You have a reflector? That's your problem, they conduct so much fucking heat... Lose it immeadiately. You'd be surpride how much the heat will go down.. also may I ask are all the walls surrounding (including ceiling and floor) you girls reflective? I could see you being able to close the door, perhaps even get some rest without the fuckn' leaf blower on all night by the time we tackle all your heat issues..
Rasta man...
Reflector... yes... here's the one I've got http://www.bghydro.com/BGH/customkit...c=HLDSSP10&eq= with the glass and air fittings.
Lose it? Um... take it out and leave the bulb on its own? Or take out the glass on the bottom of the reflector?
Intereseting that you tell me that they conduct a lot of heat. I think I'm going to run a few tests...
Thanks Rasta... I'll keep you updated ;)
-turtle420 :cool:
BTW: All surfaces of the grow room are covered with mylar... walls, floors, 'ceilings', support beams, etc. everything is mylared. :)
Yes, try mounting the bullb on it's own and test again for temps.. Tell me how it goes :)
Rasta, check it out...
This morning, I really wanted to turn the MH On... but I didn't want the freaking leaf blower... soooo... I cut up the masking tape that made up the NASA-approved blower-to-duct seal, and I installed a 50CFM bathroom extractor fan I bought yesterday ($15). Then, I re-sealed the union with appropiate NASA writen "Masking Tape Sealing Methods, Volume I".
The small fan is dead quiet. Well, the reflector is cool to the touch, there's no noise... the temperature inside the grow room is stable @ about 88 F (!!!!!)....
WTF?! Apparently, the leaf blower raises the pressure of the air quite a bit... and, because when you compress a gas it heats up (NASA info), the air from the leaf blower was actually heating the entire shee-bang... !
Well, I'm keeping my eye out for the temperatures... but, so far, so good.
I'm going to install an air intake for the box, then place another one of these super nifty 50 CFM fans inside the box... try to get a little vacuum going on there (so the 'door' stays put).
I felt like kissing the little fan... but I didn't.
I'll throw an update in a couple of hours... I'm headed out the road to do a couple of things.
BTW: Another GREAT side effect of not having the freaking leaf blower with its noise... is the fact that I just re-started classical music therapy on them.... :) You hear that Garden Knwom?!?!?! More classical music!!! A, hahahahahahahaaaAA!!!!
Later,
-turtle420 :cool:
Pic #1: General condition of plants
Pic #2: Master Chief says; "Stay the fuck away from the girls or I'll put a sniper bullet in your head..."
PS: What the fuck happened to the vB code? Since they've added the new smilies the text you're writing is super small... Argghhhhh!!! I'm going to post a suggestion in the proper forum... :) I'm sure they'll listen...
I hope your getting soil.. :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by RastaKaze
Soil? I was thinking of tomorrow doing your suggestion and buying:
1- super "magic" rocks (the white ones that you mentioned)
2- more perlite
3- peat moss
Then doing the re-plant thingy... Hey, you think it would help to use rooting powder in the transplant?
+_+_+ UPDATE::::
The temps today have been very steady. The MAX has been about 94F, and the average has been around the 90.5's...
That little 50 CFM fart fan is really pulling through. Because I bought two of them, I placed one of them blowing air into the reflector housing, and I then placed the 2nd one blowing air to the heat sinks on the side of the ballast. That's helping keep the ballast warm, instead of hot.
Um, it's too late right now, but tomorrow, I'm going to instal another 50 CFM fart fan I bought today inside the box... then drill a couple of holes for air circulation. QUESTION: Should I instal the fart fan on the top of the box, and then the intakes on the bottom? Or the other way around? Fan on the bottom and intakes on the top?
QUESTION: Temperature probe...
You've probably seen my temperature probe in past pictures... ok, here's the question: Should it be placed on the surface of the soil? Or should it be hanging vertically at plant-height? . I'm thinking that the temperatures it's providing me with are a little off to the hot side... because the probe is just laying there one the top-soil, with little airflow, and with its side exposed to the light... ??? Ideas?
Rasta dude! Thanks for the help... Over and out!
-turtle420 :cool:
Intake-Bottom
Exaust-Top
Regarding the probe temps...
You must understand the difference between air and radiant temperature... an example of radiant heat was your reflector getting heated up and causing problems with temps :D air temperature however refers to the temperature of the mixed air in the room.. you can determine this by folding a peice of cardboard and tenting your probe so it isn't directly exposed to the light. This will tell you the correct air temperature of your growroom.
Ok, tomorrow I'll cut up two 2" holes on the top-side of the cabinet and install both fart fans...
I'll then drill a couple of 1" holes on the bottom for the intake. I'll start with two 1" holes... then, depending on the suction of the front door panel, I'll drill one more... or two more... or three... ???
As to the temperature probe, I'm going to make that little cardboard tent... that was what I was talking about... Excellent. It's just, that I think I'm getting incorrect readings from that probe... I'm sure everything will clear up once the 'tent' is made and installed.
I'm going to upload some pics in a few minutes... but I was able to place the plants about 1" away from the reflector's lower glass plate. I did the 'hand burn' test... and to be honest, even placing my fingers in direct touch with the reflector's glass, they didn't burn. It was warm, but not uncomfortable. In fact, it was much cooler than my CFLs (when I used them). So now, I've got the girls about 1" from the glass... :D I'm sure they're liking it...
They've been like that for a couple of hours, and they're not showing any signs of burning or anything... I'll keep an eye out.
I'll update in a little while,
-turtle420 :cool:
DAMN :)
Your determination is fascinating. Keep doing things the way your doing them... Your ladies will thank you in the end :D