Okay, this threads going too far. I smoked ciggs a year, and that was not good. Then i smoked pot a year, and that had no bad side effects. Okay? No science, just experience. i feal fine.
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Okay, this threads going too far. I smoked ciggs a year, and that was not good. Then i smoked pot a year, and that had no bad side effects. Okay? No science, just experience. i feal fine.
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http://www.newstarget.com/007519.html
A new study found that small doses of the main ingredient in marijuana, THC, can slow the progression of hardening of arteries. Hardening of the arteries can lead to heart attacks and by preventing this you lessen your risk of having a heart attack.
Now it's your turn: find something that isn't biased or that doesn't fall under the government's propaganda that shows that marijuana is harmful to the heart. Yes, I'm sure we've all seen or heard the dumb shit the government tries to fill our heads with, but the truth of the matter is there is very little legit research being done because of the drug laws.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/664296.stm. the bbc is about as anti government as you can get. also what you posted says SMALL doses of thc, alot less than we intake on a bong hit
Woah, i read that wrong. let me think...
Okay!
This is what the bbc said!
The researchers studied information on cannabis use from 3,882 middle-aged and elderly patients who had suffered heart attacks.
A total of 124 patients were identified as current users, including 37 who reported smoking the drug up to 24 hours before their attack, and nine who had used it within an hour of experiencing symptoms.
Now, out of 3,882 middle aged and elderly people, how many do you think smoke pot?
Probabley a little over than 124. So its very very likely its a coincidence
O yea, and everybody knows that Chronic increases the heart rate. bbc probabley doesnt know this, maybe they dont know those 124 people have a bad heart. And how did they smoke that?
i love an optimists!
I like thinking positive!
THC isn't a poison, it is virtually non-toxic. No one has died from marijuana where as 1:1,000 drinkers will die from alcohol overdose.
Smoking marijuana is not likely to cause emphysema because the smoke does not obstruct the small airways as tobacco smoke does.
There don't seem to be any actual reports of cancer linked directly to marijuana smoking. Americans have smoked marijuana for over 60 years, though it had been used for thousands of years prior. An important difference between marijuana and tobacco smoke is that marijuana smoke lacks radioactive compounds such as polonium 210.
Those are the main reasons I don't worry about significant lung damage from smoking shrub, eventually I'll vaporize or ingest but that is not economically feasible at the moment.
http://www.montananorml.org/med-myths.php3
econically feasible, i like that! i was looking at emphysema suposedly caused by weed a few days ago and yer right, marijuana dosent obstruct the small airways like tabacco does, however what the info i read said was that because the force at which the weed smoke is sucked into the lungs is far greater than drawing on a cig, and also the time the smoke is kept in the lungs, means that weed smoke 'blasts' hole in the lungs. this leads to a differnt type of emphysema known as vanashing lung symdrome. while the bottom of the lungs remains intact, the upper parts simply turn from avioli(healthy airsacs) into cysts where the airsacs once were. check it out on google if yer dont belive me. if that doesnt presude you to invest in decent vaporizer, nothing will!
By all means, I think that the safest way is either through ingestion or with the use of a vaporizer. However, I don't think that marijuana as a whole is dangerous beyond lung problems, and even that is questionable for now. I doubt that any heart trouble, liver trouble, brain problems, etc. will ever occur from marijuana. That's my point.
look, this is whats been established:
achol is worse and so is tobacco
maijuana does have its negatives but none as significant
vaps, water bongs, and ingestion lessen these negatives.
oh, and seag420, the heart rate is increased only because your body has just been introduced to an excess amount of thc (meaning the body didnt make it). so the heart rate increases to get the thc out as fast as possible, this is why ppl get high after small amounts of weed, whereas tobacco it takes more and more to get the effect. also, you cannot compare weed induced heart rate increase to an exrcise induced increase, because when u exercise your is SOOO much faster, hence faster breathing, you can actually feel your heart pulsing without putting your hand over it. with weed you cant feel this pulsing but you know its there bcuz yer still alive. And even IF, when you're high (after your haert rate increase), you donnt get enough oxygen would u not feel tired or the need to sit and rest for a while? also, your heart does not get tired nor will it ever get tired, because its a cardiac muscle, just one of 3 kinds of muscles.
skeletal- provides the force of locomotion and other voluntary body movements.
smooth- lines the walls of the hollow structures of the body, such as the intestine, urinary bladder, uterus, and blood vessels. Its contraction, which is involuntary, reduces the size of these hollow organs.
cardiac- This type of muscle only exists in your heart. Unlike other types of muscle, cardiac muscle never gets tired. It works automatically and constantly without ever pausing to rest. Cardiac muscle contracts to squeeze blood out of your heart, and relaxes to fill your heart with blood.
in conclusion, weed is better. we'll leave at this becuase while debating over the net is fun, but it is also very pointless as nothing will come of it.
u know what... i havent realy seen any posts on the first page saying anything about maybe that weed and alcohal will maybe has the same affects on your body as the other one, but then agin, lets think about this, its alot easyer to smoke pot in your room with out worring about empty beer cans, and usaly when i drink, i have to take a ride with sum one to the store, then get drunk sum were around the store, then get back home(thank god i dont have a drivers lisence.) and when u get high, most ppls dont get in fights, as to were if u pound back a few beers, u start to get cocky, and think that u can start kicking ass, and the worst thing alcohal has ever done to me so far is, i had in pared vison, and fucked sum fat ugly whore, and ended up having to pay for a abotion. and on top of me having to pay for the abortion, i had to put NIX on my balls. so realy i prefre smoking a joint then drinking
P.S. im just kiding about getting a girl pregeanet, althu i did end up with crabs from fucking a fat ugly whore.
I personaly find it really hard to deal with the after effects of alcohol. I am extra sensitive to headaches. Getting shit faced, dizzy as fuck, trippin over shit and puking aint my idea of fun. I like weed, the only after effect is a mild burn out and its relaxing.
Is the high weaker with a vape?
I'm not a doctor, but with the heartrate thing, just drinking a couple cups of coffee can have about the same effects, nothing to worry about.
It's not necessarily "weaker", but it's a different sorta high. I get good body buzzes off from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharpezor
This Seag420 guy's a nark! :p
Nah, you're spouting proper bullshit, alcohol is far worse than weed, the same goes with tobacco. You can argue about all your 'increased heart rate' and the way you suck the bong harder than a cig' :rolleyes: It's funny how no-one agrees with you, yet you think you're so right. Suck up your pride and admit you're wrong. I will never regret smoking the herb, never.
It's hard to believe that the government(s) would tell the most ridiculous lies about cannabis/hemp/marijuana, and that the press would believe them and keep repeating the lies, even long after they've been proven lies.
:rolleyes:
But it's been going on for almost 100 years now, ever since fine upstanding white people in America, many of whom took cannabis medications or even smoked hashish, discovered by way of sensational headlines, that many black and hispanic folks smoked a violent sex crime causing drug called marihuana.
:eek:
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=34348
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Quoted for truth. If justthinktwice.com had a forum, I'd say post there =D. But seriously, although there are some harmful effects associated with weed (key ones being psycological disorders in suseptible people) it's a lot less harmful then alcohol. Weed also isn't really a poison like alcohol, it's a chemical that activates receptors in your brain. Alcohol is a poison that your liver tries to remove =PQuote:
Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
i just say quit bitchin, if people dont want to smoke then let them, its there choice.
Seag420,
THC is not toxic in any real sense of the word. I mean, water is toxic is very large dosages, but I've never seen anyone touting the dangers of drinking water. There are millions of pot smokers in the world, and none of them have ever died (as far as I know) from something directly related to marijuana use. You can't say that about virtually ANY other drug. Even stuff like Tylenol! People O/D on OTC medications all the time, and these aren't made illegal. Why not?
NO ONE here is saying that using marijuana is harmless. In fact, when used frequently in large doses for a long period of time, it probably does have negative consequences. What the government needs to do is sponsor more legitimate scientific research about the effects of using marijuana instead of just spreading propaganda. That way, people could know the safe amounts to use and at what point they were seriously risking their health.
Also, a lot of stoners are unhealthy simply because they don't exercise much. Like any habit that involves a lot of sitting around and doing nothing, smoking pot is NOT going to get you into tip-top shape. But you know what? I accept that, because I think the benefits of using marijuana outweigh the health risks.
first off, to shai hulud, i never said thc is toxic. there are over 60 cannaboids in cannabis, as far as i know non of them are toxic. its the other 200+ negative chemicals in the plant itself (when burnt) that are toxic. when any plant is burnt it gives off toxic fumes, so use a vap and save yer lungs guys. but then u say that no one has ever died from weed. i remember reading a thread started by koesha (i think it was) a few months ago saying his best friends dad, who never smoked tabacco and only smoked pot (heavily) was diagnosed with lung cancer. just because there havent been any recorded deaths, doesnt mean there havent been any. and has anybody on here even checked any medical archives to make sure no one has died from the herb? oh and refer rouge, r u a doctor, no, didnt think so, if the medical professional who have done studys on this say that sucking on a bong for year after year can cause emphysema, i think i'll listen to them over you. also if im a narc, im the first pot smoking narc ive ever heard of! and dumptruck, of corse the heart can eventually become tired, IF its overused. i love pissing you guys off
haha honestly Seag420, you do your job well :p
i do try!
this is a pro cannabis board.. not a board where we compare the negative aspects of marijuana... if they are any that is...
Seag420,
I know that smoking anything, including cannabis, is not conducive to health. I think most people on this board would accept that. Vaporization/eating/making tea greatly reduces the toxins in cannabis. I'm sure this isn't complete elimination, but honestly who cares? People imbibe small amounts of toxins ALL THE TIME. In their drinking water, in the pesticides used to make their foods. Whatever.
The point is not that there are absolutely positively zero negative consequences of toking up every day for twenty years. The point is that it is almost infinitely more healthful to do this than to do the same with either tobacco or alcohol.
I have actually tried to find some cases of death-by-cannabis and have been pretty unsuccessful. Everything I've found, with the exception of one case, involved a mixing of drugs or indirect cause of death such as a car crash while under the influence. The one exception I mention involves Lee Maisey, who died at 36 after 11 years of smoking about six joints a day. The coroner was unable to find a cause of death and so claimed it was "probable cannabis toxicity." Other people reviewing the case said it was not a valid conclusion to pin the death on cannabis.
http://www.norml.org.nz/article383.html
The fact of the matter is, if cannabis is as deadly as all the narcs say it is, there should be some deaths directly resulting from its use, and there aren't any.
LOL if the heart is over used, you're chattin such bullshit. Do you know how many times your heart beats a day? I'm not a doc, so i wouldn't know ;) By the way it's Reefer Rogue, get it right. This thread is about why Cannabis is better for you then alcohol. It's already been proven many times in this thread so i'm not gonna waste my time. Link me to this 'medical study' where it says sucking on a bong CAN cause emphazema, not WILL. If you do actually smoke, then chill out, stop trying to wind people up, admit you're wrong and smoke a bowl. Peace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seag420
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Originally Posted by Seag420
Just to let you know, water bongs filter about 30% of what you smoke, so it's a pretty good filter system. Also, look around for yourself. There are NO recorded deaths/diagnosis of cancer purely from just marijuana use, heavy or not. NO ONE HAS "DIED FROM THE HERB", and Koesha's best friend's dad did not get lung cancer solely from smoking marijuana.
Remember, cigarettes have RADIOACTIVE ingredients, which marijuana does not have. This is probably a big reason why marijuana doesn't cause cancer like cigarettes do.
And no, the heart does not wear out from smoking marijuana. Saying that it does is not only an unfounded claim, but an absurd one at that when your argument is based solely upon "Oh, your heart rate quickens. so therefor for heart gets tired and says fuck you." If this was true, then joggers would be dieing left and right. And as for them getting more oxygen while RUNNING than I do while SITTING? Untrue. The oxygen they DO get is going to use keeping their muscles going good.
Just smokeith it. Its natural, it hasnt hurt me at all the last two years, but incase, i'll vaporize it? Are we all done preaching the goods and bads?
sorry about me bitchin the past few days, but i'll put it down to the fact this is the longest ive gone without the sweet sweet cheeba in, well in 6 or so years, so my apologies. lets just hope im wrong, and your all right
oh and reefer rouge, happy birthday, its mine on saturday
i like both
Mrdevious deserves a standing ovation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D :D :D
no hangovers.
haha jmdogg88. i Just laughed because it was that random. Seag420, i'm sorry you havent smoked in that long :( but good job! i know i wouldnt be able to accomplish that :p
the worst part about me not toking in ages isnt because of a lack of weed, i got plenty, and its top class skunk. a guy i know a work gets it from amsterdam. it just takes will power - a whole lota will power!