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it would be great for us and a HUGE tax base!! think of all the revenue it would create. hopefully it could go to good things like for the elderly day care homelessness, education health care you name it! i would quit my job and work in a pot store if that happened!
legalize in usa/canada ? ohuhoo i don't think so
canada-->maybe
but usa-->IMPOSSSSIBBBLEEEEEEEE!!!!
I'm one of the assholes who said no. Weed would be so damn expensive over the counter... Look at cigarettes. A pack of cigarettes I remember used to be about 4$. Now it is between 6 and 7. Too crazy. I'm not gonna pay the government for them to allow me to smoke weed when if we just stay smart we can smoke it in secret. And legalizing it would lead to a nastier black market... Potentially more smuggiling and theft and sh*t. Don't worry about the government it won't make a difference what they say... we'll still do what we want.
the dreamz will come ture....let's pray
lol
I voted yes because i think that with the things we have legal right now, there is no reason for MJ to be illegal. but i'm just curious what anyone would vote none of the above for lol. it's a yes or no question. but it definitely should be legal.
ROLL IT UP LIGHT IT UP SMOKE IT UP
Cannabys has made some progress also in medicine so... let us soke eat and drink it
This ideea of cannabys legal makes me feel hy :))
In romania cannabis is a drug and those loked up idiots that rule this cowntry are fascist and ex communist so what 2 ask from them
If cannabis woul be legal like in cannada the rate of consumers will divide
first reason some people will get bored of it and some will somoke it just for fun .. but you now how is it what is illegal it's fun and what is legal boring so... we'll smoke cannabys eyther way's
:D :cool: :D :p :D
HoW hy can a man be without cannabys [QUOTE] ?
Marijuana is a Schedule 1 drug, which compairs it to the likes of cocaine and heroin, which in my opion is outrageous, I'm not sure what Schedule C means but It isn't the commonly used schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
I think it should be legalised and have an age restriction like alcohol and tobacco. Its the only way it will ever happen. As for taxation, yeah thats inevitable but perhaps some of the tax revenues could be used to assist people who are addicted to hard drugs. At the moment we all pay a premium to buy weed due to the "risk" involved do you really think it costs anywhere near what you pay to actually produce it? Also if it were legalised teenagers wouldn't have to go to drug dealers to buy it, thus negating the "gateway drug" theory. In addition you wouldn't have the droughts that seem to keep happening in the UK with monotonous regularity, so you could just buy it when you wanted it/needed it. I don't know about in USA but in the UK people brew their own beer and make their own wine and you can buy kits from high street chemists so you can make your own spirits thus dodging the gvernment leived taxes, I'd imagine if weed were legalised it would be a similar situation.
I don't think it will happen soon, with all the arrogance and ignorance people have. The ones who are successful, did it without pot, and expect their children to be just as successful without it. They don't realize how much better not only their kids' lives would be, but how much better their kids' friends' lives would be, just by relating to an open-minded, intelligent individual.
Beachguy, I think you've hit the nail on the head there, if teenagers had people that were not only intelligent but honest about their drug experiences that would at least encourage a dialogue about drugs. I've been quite lcuky that I've been able to talk to my folks bout things ike drugs, even more so since my sister got busted for pills a few years back, and even though they don't necessarily share the same beliefs and opinions I have, they at least listen to what I have to say :D only thing is I'm not a teenager, maybe I could rent my folks out to teenagers for a small fee :D
Luckly there is an increase in factual information about drugs and the waste we call the war on drugs. The history channel has had some shows, and there is an increase in psychopharmacology books available.
yes legalize itlegal yesi agree but not for that tired played out line. that would be ok if when you ingest something rediculous you are handcuffed to your bedpost. like anything theres a right & wrong way to go about it. 1st smokers must be seperated from hard drug users & out & out junkies. the myth that smokin leads to harder stuff needs to be dispelled. the 1st drug commish in this country was like j edgar hoover in spades. he worked thru 4 presidents ending with kennedy. hes the slob that had m classified as harmful as h or opium etc. he testified before congress lobbied like a maniac. hes responsible for the rockefeller laws where guys with a couple of ounces were getting 15 -25 yrs in jail. i think places should be set aside for smokers to enjoy. just reefer & hash would be allowed there. i was at woodstock where every freakin thing was going on.i didn`t see 1 fight or obnoxious shit going on. yes pot legalize it. also narcotic pain relievers that people in dire pain need .but drs are hesitant to give out. thing is we baby boomers fought our fight .this generation just wants to reap the benefits of our bodily research. but they`re not out there demonstrating or lobbying.thats why it will never happen. we were well educated & our arguments carried weight. theres nobody now. no abbie hoffmans or timothy leary`s . no music like the moody blues . these kids gotta realize that you want something you gotta fight for it. as another poster wrote they pay whatever ,jump high ,don`t know quality .i love these guys that say their drug of choice is h. gimme a break. reefer ratQuote:
Originally Posted by ermitonto
You are deluding yourself to say that we can do whatever we want and the gov. be damned, I know plenty of people who smoke in secret but wound up getting caught anyway. You have to get it from somewhere and then you have to get it home, that's when you're vulnerable. Legalization is the answer. Your comment about a worse black market is way off base and as for buying low-grade stuff at the store, Hang That! Just grow your own plants (nothing too drastic mind you, unless you really want to.) You could grow your own tobacco plants if it wasn't such a weak and disease ridden plant. Cannabis on the other hand grows wild and heathy in many parts of the world because it's strong. Legalization Now, Tomorrow and Forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnomey
10 more years~! As soon as the bush administration gets the hell outta office and a good liberal administration comes in...they will lower the federal penalties and allow up to an oz for personal use just like alcohol and have like a 5 g/day limit..and have penalties they can make money on like DUIs on weed, taxing it, etc...they will be loaded.
10 YEARS..it will be legal in USA for personal use up to an OZ..the federal guidelines dont make sense and they will be changed for marijuana.
Many here are , or seem to be under the impression that cannabis has always been illegal in america. It was legal way way before it became illegal here in the home of the fee. Americans could at one time in our history pay their taxes with it. The government considerd cannabis hemp legal tender (money).
Farmers were once forced to grow it, while slaves were forced to separate it.
dai*ma
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Originally Posted by daima
Weed stopped being on-again off-again legal in the 1970's. Now it's just illegal. So there, I knew that it was legal here at one point in time.
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Originally Posted by 1234abcd
Why 10 years? The next election is in 2008, that's only a little over 2 years. Also, the rest of what you are saying is nonsense knowing America's history with marijuana.
A couple of hundred years ago, Richmond, VA (or somewhere in Virginia) passed a law requiring farmers to grow hemp. 1915 was the first anti-marijuana law.
:rasta: LEGALIZE!!! :rasta: i will post a 5 page report on why it should be legalized in a couple weeks, been workin on it a while now, view at www.geocities.com/dobesguy/legalweed.html around nov 20 :rasta: nice way to say it man\/\/(pic)
INDEED
It is a drug that has a less harmful effects than alcohol, and no study shows that it causes cancer. The only resean why its not legal is because the government has brainwashed people for so long. i know I will prob. never see it legalized where I live cause its Bush territory down in Texas. Oh well keep smoking and be happy, I know I will. :rasta:
I think it should be legalized but not for society to be walking around high 24/7..cannabis has different affects on everybody, it may make some people violent or it may make someone calm..think, if you weren't a smoker and everyone was high an one turned violent would you want them to beat you up or possibly kill you? This is just a scenario im not saying it's a fact ..but just think about it. What is a fact is someone i know smokes and turns violent would you want someone like that around you if you were a calm smoker? lol
Why the hell is it non sense. It used to be legal and its way safer than alcohol and you can buy fucking cases of that...so why fucking can't we have a federal ounce limit on pot like a lot of states.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkey4Sale
And I said 10 years because its not the first fucking thing the democrats will do in office is legalize pot. Fuck there is way more important issues out there that need to be dealt with but all Im saying is that when the next democratic run gets into office, I see that there is a good possibliity that the supreme court will give a major victory to medical marijuana in the USA and not just in certain states or they will change the federal guidlines to be more leniant. I am not a god. I do not know whats going to happen.
And also ...Im just puttin out my fucking opininon out there. Isn't that what your suppost to do. I dont get why people like you have to fucking argue with certain people saying they are non sense and wrong and you are right. Why dont you just put your opinion out there and shut the fuck up.
Alcohol prohibition didn't work either! It just created an criminal underclass that made lots of money, and filled prisons with people who shouldn't have been there.
Damn it!!! Prohibition should end...six reports agree
Six recent reports -- from the American Enterprise Institute, Citizens Against Government Waste, Taxpayers for Common Sense, The Sentencing Project, a Harvard University economics professor, and the U.S. Department of Justice -- point out the failures and steep costs of marijuana prohibition and call for a new approach.
Ending Marijuana Prohibition Would Save $10-14 Billion Annually ... Report Endorsed by Milton Friedman and More Than 500 Economists
In "The Budgetary Implications of Marijuana Prohibition" (released June 2, 2005), Dr. Jeffrey Miron, visiting professor of economics at Harvard University, estimates that replacing marijuana prohibition with a system of taxation and regulation similar to that used for alcoholic beverages would produce combined savings and tax revenues of between $10 billion and $14 billion per year.
More than 500 distinguished economists -- led by Nobel Prize-winner Dr. Milton Friedman and two additional Nobel Laureates -- endorsed the report and signed an open letter to President Bush and other public officials calling for "an open and honest debate about marijuana prohibition," adding, "We believe such a debate will favor a regime in which marijuana is legal but taxed and regulated like other goods."
Using data from a variety of federal and state government sources, Miron concludes:
* Replacing marijuana prohibition with a system of legal regulation would save approximately $7.7 billion in government expenditures on prohibition enforcement -- $2.4 billion at the federal level and $5.3 billion at the state and local levels.
* Revenue from taxation of marijuana sales would range from $2.4 billion per year if marijuana were taxed like ordinary consumer goods to $6.2 billion if it were taxed like alcohol or tobacco.
Citizens Against Government Waste: Government Anti-Drug Programs Don't Work
The White House Office of National Drug Control Policy??s (ONDCP's) expensive drug control programs have failed to produce any meaningful results after 17 years, finds a May 12, 2005, report from Citizens Against Government Waste, a national organization dedicated to eliminating waste, fraud, abuse, and mismanagement in government.
"Up in Smoke: ONDCP's Wasted Efforts in the War on Drugs" shows how ONDCP wastes millions of dollars annually on media advertising and combating state-level legislation. The report's findings include:
* ONDCP "has morphed into a federal wasteland, throwing taxpayer money toward numerous high-priced drug control programs that have failed to show results ... Instead of curbing America??s drug problem, ONDCP has wasted $4.2 billion since fiscal 1997 on media advertising, fighting state legislation, and deficient anti-drug trafficking programs."
* Since Arizona and California passed medical marijuana laws in November 1996, ONDCP began campaigning against state medical marijuana ballot initiatives, which is "an infringement upon states' rights, a blatant misuse of tax dollars, and in contravention of ONDCP??s original mission. The White House??s drug office should use its resources to root out major drug operations in the U.S. instead of creating propaganda-filled news videos and flying across the country on the taxpayers' dime."
* "ONDCP burns through tax dollars by funding wasteful and unnecessary projects. Partly to thwart state efforts to regulate marijuana, the drug czar created a $2 billion national anti-drug campaign, produced expensive propaganda ads that failed to reduce drug use among America??s youth, and in the process, violated federal law. Furthermore, the office wastes federal resources by opposing any legalization of marijuana, including medicinal use, which has nothing to do with the war on drugs."
War on Drugs has Become War on Low-Level Marijuana Users
During the 1990s, the ??war on drugs? was transformed to a ??war on marijuana,? with law enforcement officials shifting their focus to arresting increasing numbers of low-level marijuana offenders, finds a Sentencing Project report released on May 3, 2005.
"The War on Marijuana: The Transformation of the War on Drugs in the 1990s" finds that between 1990 and 2002, 82% of the national increase in drug arrests were for marijuana offenses, and nearly all of this increase was arrests for possession. Marijuana arrests now constitute 45% of the 1.5 million drug arrests annually.
As a result, significant policing resources have been dedicated to low-level offenses, with only 6% of marijuana arrests resulting in a felony conviction. One-quarter of people in prison for a marijuana offense are low-level offenders.
Despite the billions of dollars being spent annually on marijuana law enforcement, use and availability have not declined, while cost has dropped.
American Enterprise Institute: Prison is not an effective drug policy
American drug policy should focus on expanding treatment options and not on prison, says a new book from the American Enterprise Institute, one of the country's most respected conservative think tanks.
In An Analytic Assessment of U.S. Drug Policy (published in February 2005), Peter Reuter, a professor at the University of Maryland and a
senior economist in the Drug Policy Research Center at RAND, and independent consultant David Boyum use a market framework to assess
the effectiveness of anti-drug efforts ... and conclude that they have failed.
The authors note that while there is little evidence that tougher law enforcement reduces drug use, drug policy has become increasingly punitive -- the number of drug offenders in jail and prison grew tenfold between 1980 and 2003. They recommend the following changes:
* Law enforcement should focus on reducing drug-related problems, such as violence associated with drug markets, rather than on locking up large numbers of low-level dealers.
* Treatment services for heavy users need more money and fewer regulations, and programs that coerce convicted drug addicts to enter treatment and maintain abstinence as a condition of continued freedom should be expanded.
Taxpayers for Common Sense: Effectiveness of billions spent to stop marijuana use remains unknown
Despite the federal government spending tens of billions to combat marijuana use over the last three decades, use and perception of the drug has barely changed, according to an economic study released by Taxpayers for Common Sense, a national budget watchdog organization that targets wasteful and ineffective federal spending.
"Federal Marijuana Policy: A Preliminary Assessment," released June 28, 2005, finds that efforts to reduce marijuana use and supply cost federal taxpayers billions, despite no evidence that the programs actual work. "Despite sky-high deficits, taxpayers continue to watch their money go up in smoke funding expensive but ineffective government programs intended to reduce marijuana use," said a Taxpayers for Common Sense spokesman.
The report assesses the cost of the nation's anti-marijuana efforts and the effect those efforts have had on marijuana use and finds the program to have been a failure, noting that increased federal spending on marijuana has accompanied increased use.
The report singles out as particularly wasteful and ineffective marijuana arrests (which have not stemmed marijuana usage rates), the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy's youth anti-drug media campaign, and student drug testing programs.
"The ultimate measure of the drug war's worth is its impact on drug usage," concludes the report. "By this standard, the federal marijuana program has fared poorly. Rather than continue to spend billions of dollars on the problem, it would be better for the U.S. government to get out of the marijuana business entirely."
U.S. Department of Justice: Top cops say drug war is on the wrong track
The Justice Department's 2005 "National Drug Threat Assessment" concludes that not only is the war on marijuana a failure, but police officers overwhelmingly see methamphetamine as a much greater threat than marijuana. Asked to identify the greatest drug threat in their communities, only 12 percent of local law enforcement agencies named marijuana -- a figure that has been declining for years. In contrast, 36 percent named cocaine and 40 percent cited methamphetamine as the greatest threat -- despite the fact that marijuana use is massively more common and despite what the report describes as "marijuana's widespread and ready availability in the United States."
The report explains, "Such data indicate that, despite the volume of marijuana trafficked and used in this country, for many in law enforcement marijuana is much less an immediate problem than methamphetamine, for example, which is associated with more tangible risks such as violent users and toxic production sites." (Despite this, the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy has focused heavily on marijuana. In November 2002, ONDCP sent a letter to the nation's prosecutors declaring flatly, "Nationwide, no drug matches the threat posed by marijuana.")
The report also finds "no reports of a trend toward decreased availability" anywhere in the country ... Indeed, reporting from some areas has suggested that marijuana is easier for youths to obtain than alcohol or cigarettes."
FULL STORY: http://www.mpp.org/reports/index.html
(actually, you can see more of these stories here, but the entire page is here)
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"I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where they're going and hook up with them later."
- Mitch Hedberg
Smoking Pot increases melatonin levels 4,000%, yet when we have none, it's not long before we die. Can't we just keep promoting Melatonin production, the best way known to mankind, and live forever? Besides that, it multiplies brain cells and extends cell-longetivity.
He does not believe that does not live according to his belief . -Sigmund Freud
YESSSS HELL YES OH PLEASE GOD LET IT BE LEGALIZED YES YESYESYESYESYESYES DID I SAY YES :rasta: :D
There were more than 695,201 marijuana arrests in the United States in 1997. This was the largest number in U.S. history. (Bush is the enemy)
Of these arrests, 87.2% were for possession -- not sale or manufacture. There have been more than 11 million marijuana arrests in the United States since 1965.
There are an estimated 15,668 people presently incarcerated in federal prisons for marijuana offenses, comprising about 12.7% of the total federal prison population.
Just think if we legalize it AND they let our enlightened cannabinauts go there might actually be room in the prisons for the murderers!
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Just think if we legalize it AND they let our enlightened cannabinauts go there might actually be room in the prisons for the murderers![/QUOTE]
What a concept :stoned:
Right...LEGALIZE
aahaha i love the poll results
I bet it would be even more lopsided, the other way around, at an anti-drug site.
All I know is I would love it if there was a local weedstore :cool:
it's an herb, you should be able to get it at your grocery store.
totally legal until 1937
Legalize it and boost our economy! :thumbsup:
we all need to find an official anti drug site, all register, and all rant and post, and complain, and poll.Quote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
ALL of us! every last one of us!
Without a doubt, it should be Legal to have,grow,smoke,eat, or whatever you want to do with it.
breed, crossbreed, hybrid, industrialize, sleep with, rape, molest... wait...
Then people will be like. "OMG, Here come those cannabis.com crackheads again!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf