SeedKing's 1st Grow Northenr Lights/ W Rhino

Day Three: Sept 24th 2005

My babies needed me, I knew something was wrong...

Okay here is what did, HARDDON would be proud, hopefully because I did this without his advice, but grasshopper had to make a move and grasshopper jumped:

1. The Flourescent I had in there, was out of my kitchen fixture when I changed the fixture.. so it may have been a old.. I dont know much about lights, but I got to wondering if wasnt putting out the right amount of light because the bulb was older.. so I got fresh cool white bulbs for the fixture.. just to make sure..

2. HARDDON, had suggested I put another fixture there.. so I hung another fixture under the SHOGUNS advice... so now there are 4 40Watt bulbs of cool white.. all brand new bulbs all same brand...

3. I transplanted all those BITCHES into 6 inch pot all the same size..to strengthen them up.. they were stretching..... Please pray for my girl, to whatever god you pray for.. Watered with super thrive water..

4. I TOTALLY RE-arranged my Closet.. see pics..

Man, this is work but, too all you noobs, I can tell you this NOW, this is a daily activity of changing, re-arranging, checking things... I bet I will have to re-arrange some things again... but that is life.. This is all a learning experience.. and my next grow will be better.. I feel bad that I had to practice on these PUTAS but that is life.. Practice makes perfect.. if you don't have patience, don't do this, if you cant take CONSTRUCTIVE criticism dont do this, if you dont know how to google or search a thread or read aboutit, keep smoking that sack shit... This is work, a work of love..

ALSO addendumm....

I will try to add some more white board on the sides, to keep in the light..

Try to get those bitches closer to the light..

also I went to 2/3 soil 1/3 perlite.. Half and half is super loose and very hard to transplant even when wet, I am sure this will be a problem when I go to the 5 gallom buckets..

Okay, Gots these BROAD-ITAS closer to the light, if they stretch.. Well what else can I do.. thats about 1.25 inches roughly.. Im taking a break, these WHORES will have to take care of themselves.. I'm going to the bar.. :)

Hi Seedking

ur set up is looking cool, and lowering the light is the right thing to do

Finally you got the light close enuff.

The half life on the shop light bulbs you are using is 45 days.

Translation: THOSE LIGHTS SUCK DICK :D

Plan on going to fullspectrumsloutions.com for your next tubular CFLS :)

The lights you are using will work for the plants til they get to be about 8" tall....

You made the right move in the transplant.

Looking good now, but please get some new lights huh edith will ya huh?

1. Damn those bulbs are $6.75 each, I would need 10 for all the fixtures I have now.. so 67.50 + 40 for fixtures, at that point I could just buy another $119.00 HPS sodium or MH? I do have a 400 Watt MH/HPS now.. we will hit them with that when they are big enough.. Do you still think I need those lights.. I think after this grow I will add another 400 Watt HPS/MH for a total of 800Watts.. That has to be enough.. What do you think?

2. I gotta find a way to get the temp down, it said 87 when I came home and opened the closet, sure will be worse when I get the HPS going.. Damn another thing, good thing it is getting cool here.. went down to 82 once the door was open.. I think I will buy another fan to blow the air out the top... ANOTHER SETBACK.. I want to get it to 72-76.. DAMN.. WHAT TO DO WHAT TO DO???????

3. All the girls are still looking good, I dont think I killed any just yet..

I'd do the best you can for this grow with the fixtures you have. If you have new bulbs in them and keep them close they'll be ok. Not perfect but ok. Then when they get old/large enough throw the MH in there and watch out! They'll go nuts. And dependent on your square footage, the 400 MH and 400 HPS will work perfect. But heat's another issue. One reason why I'm only using CFL's although it can get warm in there too as they for sure put out some heat. I was thinking of an HPS for these but I'd have to do some major venting of heat. And where this is happening, it doesn't really lend itself to that. So I just have three fans (sometimes four) blowing in there (one blowing cool air in from the bottom, one circulating the air in the room and one up top blowing the warm air out. My only problem is that the warm air blowing out gets pushed back in and eventually just gets too warm in there. Thus the other fan to circulate the air in the room with fresh air from either outside or in the house if the air's on.

And you thought this was gonna be easy! ha ha

So how much is your temp in the room? I have some options..

1. Deal with it, because the weather is getting cooler and the house will get cooler.. hopefully..

2. Behind my closet is access to a duct, I could somehow extend the duct to the closet, which would involve some cutting, which I really dont want to do... :mad:

3 open window in the room, which I dont want to do, because its in the basement and some idiot cool kick in the screen.. I have a burgular alarm, but I dont want that going off and and the police coming to check it out and finding my grow.. I will open it when I am home.. :mad:

3. Add more fans, which I need to do any way, because I want to BLOW some serious air on that 400WATT BALLAST.. I am going to suck air out the top and suck cool air in from the bottom more money to spend.. DAMN DAMN DAMN

4. Check the accuracy of the cheap-o thermometer.. thats a good idea.. check it againt the thermometer of the house... :(

you can also go to lowes and get a 150 watt hps for using in conjunction with the lights you already have. It is actually a poll light but with a little thinking you can figure out how to mount it in your grow area. I think mine set me back about 40 dollars after tax. It easy to assemble and only uses like 1 or 2 amps. If you go that route remember to pick up a replacement cord over near the extension cords for plugging it in.. I think the cord I got was 9 feet and was 14 guage 15 amp rated. the light is also 6500k and i think has 28000 lumens. One more thing if you do go with the poll light you can take the plastic part of the globe reflector off and just use the metal part of the reflector. Doing this will alow light to shine over a more broad area while keeping the light concentrated to a small area. If your on a budget this is the way you should go.

HPS Sodium from Lowes? Is the sprectrum right? That is an option! If the sprectum is right

It has been doing great for me. since i got it like 1 1/2 weeks ago i have gianed double the foilage and grown alot 2x taller. I am now at 17 inches and im 1 week into flower. i am using only the hps and have notice a huge difference then before when i was using just plain on growlights from sprawlmart made by GE.

Sprawl-Mart, LOL.. do you watch the simpsons.. or did you get that from an earlier post...I should have named one of my broads Homerita!

I dont know i think i have always called it that. i think im gonna name mine sandy after my my uncle who had a sex change. I think it is a hermie because I actually started my grow outside and some little black bugs started eating at her leaves. I think the stress from all of that has cause her to go hermie on me. i started mine about 7 days after Hardon started his plants.

SK,

My temps range between 75 and about 81. Has been up to about 85 once then I threw in the other fan to exhaust the room that was being exhausted into and it came right back down. I had read where about 76-80 is perfect for flowering.

I looked at the HPS's from Home D and they had 150 watters but 150 watts in HPS is only about 18,750. HID's are right at about 125 lumes/watt. Not to say that wouldn't help. Be less heat for sure. If I put one of those in my room though it'd give me about 57,000 lumes!! Or about 9500/lumes/sq/ft!! More than you need. Plus the heat would be wicked for my situation. I be eating baked Mary Jane for supper!

Good, so there is a good chance I can cool it down with more FANS.. I will try that, More money more money...

I dont even have a guage to read temp in my closet, i just open it up every once in a while and enjoy the wonderfull smell drifting throughout the whole room. i also take a bowl of ice and sit it directly behind my fan as this seems to cool the room down alot. i also keep my house at 70 all day long.

Yeah, I may do the ice thing freeze a jug, and then keep it the room alternate the jug every day until I get the temp controlled with fans...

I've read where a lot of people have had their temps in the upper 80's all the time and had some unreal grows. I think the secret is good air movement and being right on top of good watering practices. But if you can keep fresh air moving into the area and move the stale air out then that's the most important thing.

Be interesting to see if a frozen gallon jug of water would make any difference. I can't see how it'd make much and especially at the top canopy of the plant where your temps are going to be the warmest.

Yeah the gallon of frozen water probably aint gonna work.. it was one of those brain farts..

Well remember Whore and Cunt were grown in the 90's constantly during flower. Even 96 was the high one day inside there during the sleep period.

Your fan leaves will get big as shit as they expand attempting to respirate and lower the cellular temps. They will get ridiculously large at those temps :D

I agree with MB....you can mitigate some effects by having massive ventilation constant circulation and a lot of fricking fan leaf tie downs :D

Yeah, then that is what I will do.. see if I can find some fans on clearance.. blow out the top and suck in from the bottom.. MAN THIS BETTER BE WORTH IT, this is one hell of a project.. Oh but I love my babies..I cant wait to smoke their ass, but I will..

It is a big project...to some. To others it just happens easily. I think the people that are too anal about every little detail are the ones where it ends up being way harder for. I guess I'm one of those.

Day 4 Sept 25th

Okay, not a lot to say in this stage.. but I'm committed so...

1. The transplant to 6 inch pots was the right thing to do, my Bitches thank you.. They all seem to survive but one.. Next time, I will use all consistent pots, it just easier to work with, it looks better, and its easier to get them closer to the lights at the same level...They are not as STRETCHY

2. My closet temperature kinda concerns me, but Marc Benson has convinced me that I may be stressing over it and being anal.. HARDDON has said that his bitches were raised in some high temp. So with that said, I am gonna buy 2 more fans.. Because once the 400 WATT HID goes, I want to be able to vent that room.. so we will have a total of 4 fans.. ONE WILL BE SUCKING HEAT OFF THAT BALLAST.. and out the closet..

3. Watering, This is something I will have to master. Seems to me that the fan blowing across the top dries the soil quickly, so I will have develop a good water sense, I would rather UNDER WATER than OVER WATER..

4. I am right under the light were talking 1.25 inches from the bulb, I wonder what is stretch and what is not.. I wish my plants were stockier/wider, besides taller.. I could add some more dirt on the tall ones.. look at the pic.. this just might be my ANAL side showing..

Seed, what kind of strain is this.

Did you get them feminized, would make it alot easier for your first grow lol.

Cant way to see some good things from ya in the future to come, props.

Northern Lighs, White Rhino, and Bag seeds..

Yeah feminized would have been great, but I wanted to go through the pains of sexing them.. I HOPE, that I can get some clones from this.. once they are big enough to clone I am going to take 3 clones each of the best looking plant, regardless of sex.. once I know the sex.. Will cull out the clones, I plan on growing the clones in a different bedroom under another 400 watt light as mothers.. then I will clone those for the next grow..BUT THIS IS all subject to how this grows goes, I have some white widow seeds coming, so I have to work that in there somehow.. All the seeds I bought were for ease of GROW, They say a Cave man can grow Northern LIghts, The white widow and the White rhino I chose for THC content... THEY CLAIM 15-20% THC, but so did the NL.. so we will see...

Really nothing to report, so I will keep it short.. Plus I doubt anyone is gonna get really excited about some 5 day old seedlings.. Anyway sorry this is so boring, hopefully someone can find this interesting/useful.. but I wanted to show the commitment I am taking, hopefully there will be some fruits for my labor.. and maybe someone can avoid the mistakes I make


1. Fans: Got 2- 22inh box fans, one is in front of the ballast blowing/sucking the heat off the ballast out the top the closet, I can feel air rushing out the top of the sliding closet door.. thus I hope air is getting pulled in from the bottom (Its gotta come from somewhere) also added a fan at the bottom/outside the closet blowing air from the bottom... leaking some light, so I will have to find a way to minimize that, not a problem yet with the seedlings.. but I got air movement for sure in there, I can see the mylar on the wall moving.

2. 10 Plants are going strong still reacing for the lights and I am right on top of them, I will move them up in a day or so.. lets hope I get 5 females..Hopefully in 6-8 days (maybe more) I can hit them with the MH a foot above them..

Just a little note but i noticed from ur pics that u have ur plants resting on paper and cardboard boxes. Cool if ur just gonna have a few fluros over them but i`d worry a bit about the risk of fire if ur gonna do the same and introduce a 400W MH or hps.
Tell me to mind my own if u like but be careful not too overlook that issue
Digi

Totally agree, those are out of there. I made several adjustment earlier..DONT WANT TO BURN DOWN THE HOUSE..

Well I would like to know how in the #$@# this thread is on page 3, reply #69, and the fricking plants are 5 days old... ROFLMAO :)

Because there was a lot of talking about nada.. It should slow down, because nothing exciting is going on...

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HARDDON: Well I would like to know how in the #$@# this thread is on page 3, reply #69, and the fricking plants are 5 days old... ROFLMAO

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Same shit I was thinking...

But keep it up SeedKing! Very interesting.

BTW, fellow stoners.... I feel like being in a Mary Jane concert, and everyone is talking about 'bongs' and I don't know what the fuck a bong is! So, what the hell do these stand for?

ROFLMAO and that IMAO or something like that.... would somebody please find it in the most tender part of their hearts to enlighten me? Thank you! :D

-turtle420 :cool:

ROFLMAO=rolling on floor laffing me ass off.
IMHO / IMO=in my honest opinion / in my opinion
STFU=shut the fuck up

:) :) :D

I think I will skip this day to day shit

1. Temps down in the 78-80, getting cooler outside.. Humidity 54%

2. seeing secondary leaves.. Plants are still stretching towards the light, and I am right on top of them..BUT they are also starting to grow more leaves, I see little leaves coming out.. so that is positive.. gonna keep lights as close as possibe..

3. See pic below of Senora Hermosa, which I think is Northern Light (I got the labels mixed up and took a guess, Im sure she is NL).. One is when she was just a little Nina and she was stretching, the other is after the emergency transplant to strengthen her (day 6)

What is the Kelvin temp of your bulbs?

Good question, Its not on the bulb.. You think that is why I have some stretch? Its just a regular ole 40Watt cool white bulb from the hardware store.. I will see if can find out..

I did find this: http://www.cameraguild.com/technology/kelvin.htm

Hey, sorry I have no idea what your talking about, But I will educate myself on this Kelvin temp thing.. You know me I have to know...

Kelvin is in essence a measurement of moloecular activity.

When applied to light energy, it takes on importance to farmers. :)

Low Kelvins of approx. 2700K (HPS) work best for simulation of late fall Kelvins and thus work best for fall bloomers.

Higher Kelvins of approx. 5500K - 6500K work best for simulation of peak summer Kelvins and thus work best for growers in vegetative stages.

You simply must have proper Kelvins for apropriate stages of growth. Failure to provide this will result in less than optimal responses from your plants.

The less than optimal responses will vary in the ways they manifest themselves, but, lack of growth vigor, high internodal lengths, lack of secondary bud sites, lack of flower sizes are just some of the symptons they will presnt.

Growing without knowing your light Kelvin should simply remove from you any expectations of the growth success. You won't know until you see what you get.

It might be great, good, average or poor.

Assuming all the other things are at appropriate environmental optimum :)

Boy I should have majored in in Marijuana Growing..Ok, Well lets hope my 400 Watt MH is better. I am thinking we need to give them another week before I put them under the MH...

Day 8

Well things are going, 10 plants in all (one is a runt, hope for the best she is 1/3 the size of the others, wont be a clone for sure) They dont look like they are stretching towards the light anymore.. getting good leaves... They are about a week old from when they first showed their tits..(seedling)I think we will go another week under flors, they should double in size by then.. hopefully they can take the 400Watt MH by then... Still watering with super thrive water.. 1/4 teaspoon to a gallon of water that has been sitting in the sun for about 2-3 days to get rid of chlorine.. I wonder when I should start adding nutes, too early now.. but will probably start with a weak solution of Fox Farm Grow BIG the bottle says 1 teaspoon per gallon EVERY WATER, I will probably go 1/4 a teasoon and work it up slowly.. dont want to burn them (the bottle says for Moderate to heavy feeding 2-3 teaspoon per gallon every 2 weeks) I would rather go slow and work up to 1 teaspoon a gallon every water.. that is a weak solution

Woo my plant was way bigger than that on day 8. I feel much better now lol.

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Originally Posted by SeedKing72

Still watering with super thrive water.. 1/4 teaspoon to a gallon of water that has been sitting in the sun for about 2-3 days to get rid of chlorine..

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Man you are lucky she is still alive.

1/4 teaspoon per gallon?????????????????????????? :eek: :eek: :eek:

The dosage I advise is no more than a couple of drops per gallon. I would cease all use of SuperThrive for a while. You are gonna upset some balances in the nute uptake from the soil...some of those vitamins in SuperThrive I suspect are fat soluable and will be stored in the cells of the plant.

TOo much of anything is not so good.

I would water with some rooting hormone powder for the next week to try and get the roots stimulated a bit. Just enuff powder to 'do a line' :D into your water will be fine.

Good luck.