I made a big fucking ultimate edit on what I think God is... and then I... RAN OUT OF TIME? WTF!?
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I made a big fucking ultimate edit on what I think God is... and then I... RAN OUT OF TIME? WTF!?
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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
Gost....
How do you "proove" the existence of love?
Love has physiological sympt..... Wait... Are you coming on to me? :D
Having Faith doesn't mean you can't ask questions. For me it takes a lot of critical thinking to read bible and understand it. When I read parts of bible, I have to be able to put myself in that story line to understand what Jesus is trying to say. Sometimes I have to peel alot of my pride and selfishness to admit I've made mistakes in my life and how much that was sin and then also admit I was wrong.
Once you ask god to come in your life even with unanswerable questions lingering and doubts, amazing things will happen to you. Bible becomes reflection of what you are doing wrong and right. Human characters didn't change much at all from the time of Jesus. We are still tempted to be selfish and want to get out as much as possible in life with very little effort. Yeah, it's very easy not to believe in god but once you open your mine, it all make sense.
No materials in life fulfills you like Jesus.
p.s. I'm a new Christian and I'm loving it.
Damn...busted.... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
So your saying it doesn't exist...it's just a figment of our imaganition.
Nope, I know love exists. Most of us have experienced love to some degree, myself included. But the word love is just used to describe a whole range of emotions, from sexual attraction and companionship, to friendship and family ties. Certain types of love have certain phsyiological symptons also, such as dilation of your pupils, etc...
Faith, however, is just a belief. If one person claims that something does exist and the another claims that it doesn't, the person making the claim cannot use faith as an argument or to throw extra weight behind his or her argument. Faith, to put it simply, is an emotion. Nothing more. There is nothing supernatural about faith; it is literally one person's opinion, one person's belief. Somebody with faith in a certain thing can not have an objective opinion, because faith is the belief in the illogical, the unproven.
Faith can not be argued against, it can not be countered. But that does not mean it is irrefutable. Quite the opposite. A person's faith can be used to discredit their own argument because their faith proves their lack of understanding, of willingness to base their opinion on fact and logic.
That's what I meant.
Okay, plain and simple. Everybody has faith. In something. Faith that they will take their next breath.
I guess I could believe in God, in as much as this all came from somewhere, but I see no reason to believe the people who wrote the bible understand anymore than I do.
I don't see any evidence for anything whose existence cannot be proved by observation. I only believe in matter, spacetime, and energy (real energy that is, not the "spiritual energy" which is a really nebulous and immaterial idea that believers refuse to define for me). If something does exist that isn't detectable through some sort of experimental procedure, it must have no effect on my life and there's no point in speculating about it.
"I believe in God, only I spell it Nature." â??Frank Llyod Wright
I told this bible-thumping chick that they need to come out with a sequel to the Bible and she was enraged.
They did it's called the new testament.
And the Book of Mormon.
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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
Faith is not used to prove anything to anybody....it's not extra weight.
Love can also not be argued against or countered.
how does faith prove lack of understanding????? your using that prove word again.
Well take these lovely discussion we're having here... :p
You have one side saying "There is nothing that proves the existence of God, therefore, as far as we know, God doesn't exist". This is logical and makes all the sense in the world to me. Thn you have the other side saying "There is nothing that proves the existnce of God, but I have faith, therefore God does exist". This is completely illogical and makes no sense at all. Here faith is being used an argument for the existence of God. If the people saying this would just put their faith aside for a second and look at both sides of the argument equally they would come to the same conclusion as the first group of people, but they don't.
All faith is good for is making intelligent people look stupid.
Faith is, according to Webster's, firm belief in something for which there is no proof. Believing firmly in something for which there is no proof, like leprechauns, unicorns, perpetual motion machines, UFOs hiding behind comets, virgin births, or enslaved Jews in ancient Egypt, flies in the face of logic.
I am a Christian, and i would die for it. I am not brainwashed, crazy or stupid. I believe once Jesus is in your heart and you accept him, you just know hes watching over you and you are saved.
I hope that wasn't directed at me.....Quote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
:rolleyes:
To say that there is no evidence of the existence of God is not being quite fair.
Although we may disagree as to what constitutes evidence.
I believe I see overwhelming evidence everyday.
Ever hear of miracles....
Funny, I could have sworn I heard the same thing about Allah. And he would be a better bet for me than Jesus anyhow, considering the Bible says I can't ever be saved since I've blasphemed against the Holy Ghost before.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharpezor
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Originally Posted by Matthew 12:31-32
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Originally Posted by Mark 3:29
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Originally Posted by Luke 12:10
Well no, it wasn't directed at you.. But I do find it strange and really frustrating how intelligent people such as yourself can believe in something that completely defies logic. But hey, to each his/her own.. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by likemclever
So what would you constitute as evidence?
evolution is proof enough 4 me..... + it just creeps me out 2 think that we are all imbread from just 2 people, but i dont see any problem with people believin in god if it makes their world easier 2 live in, its just not 4 me.
According to the Bible, incest propagated humanity not only once, but twice. Remember, there must have been a lot of sisterfucking after Noah's Flood too.
I asked my mum about that, ermitonto, as she's Christian herself. Apparantly back then, before Adam and Eve were kicked out, there was no impurity in the world so when their children's children had children there was nothing out of the ordinary that you would get if that happened now. It's only because they sinned and introduced impurity to the human race that humans can't procreate with their relatives now.
I mean, what the fuck? Answers like that, whether they even make sense or not, must be total bullshit because nowhere in the bible does it go in to that. How do people know this stuff if the Bible doesn't say it?
There is something in my heart, but it ain't Jesus. So what the hell is in my heart? :(Quote:
Originally Posted by sharpezor
Yes, because... of course... God created those... Miracles? Oh wait, I forgot... It might not be God... but insted, might be something called... I don't know... um... Chance? Life? I mean, why is it always GOD who did this and that? As far as I see, God hasn't proven anything about it's existence... nor has there been any proof. I mean, PROVE to me that God created these miracles or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by likemclever
God doesn't owe you anything.....
He owes me £5... He wanted to get a cheese burger and some papers but left his wallet at home.
WTF? I'm asking YOU to prove to me. Not God. I'd never ask that guy... He'd send me straight to hell!
And what is this about God and it not having to owe me anything? I guess we're all ignorant. But at least I'm realistic.
Since when did this thread become about me prooving anything....to you princess... or anyone else for that matter.
I donâ??t think people should accept anything at face value but I did find this site interestingâ?¦.so look it over if you likeâ?¦..if you donâ??t like or donâ??t careâ?¦than I donâ??t either.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/answers.html
Right right, you have faith. So you don't need to prove anything... I was only asking but if you don't want to help convince me then fine. GOOD. I'm indifferent to Catholicism and it's many fallacies... so don't bother. And I know you won't... and I appreciate that. I hate it when people try and impose their beliefs on me, telling me that I'll be a better person if I take Christ into my heart.
(Catholics, from what I've experienced, are very fond of doing this.)
EDIT: http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/answers.html
Now this site and all of those questions asked, is further proof to me that God isn't an entity; but God is the force that "runs" the universe... It is what drives us humans (faith) and is the energy that controls nature and everything around us. People always refer to God as a person or something... I believe it is just... everything.
Did you check out the link....or are you just going to flap your gums.
I'm not Catholic you fucking idiot.
You started talking to me...I havenâ??t imposed shit on you.
You heart is to black for Christ to live there.
Don't tangle with me if you can't be respectful.
I checked it, you moron. It's a bunch of questions asked by people... and then they are told why they are wrong and how God is right. Yeah yeah yeah, whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by likemclever
I never said you were, you complete douchebag.Quote:
Originally Posted by likemclever
I never said you did, you stupid fucking idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by likemclever
Christ can go suck a cock. Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by likemclever
When, in my last two posts in this thread, was I disrespecful to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by likemclever
In closing... you're an idiot. Or better yet. A pod. This is why I don't want that fag in my heart... so that I don't turn into a drone.
"force" and "entity" are the same fucking thing used in this context.Quote:
Originally Posted by CocaCola
I never said God was a person...
If your going try and argure your point.....its best to decide first what your point is.
I never said that you said God was a person. Fucking wake up and smell the coffee... it was a general statement, so to speak. NOT JUST FOR YOU.
And by force I meant, energy. Is that more understandable for you? Do YOU even have a point with that last post? Take your context and shove it up your ass...
Ok now it all makes sense.......how old are you....?
I'm not wasting my time arguing with someone elses child.
You are so closed minded.
I never asked you to belive anything. I told you what I belive.
You never asked me to believe in anything. Right.
You told me what you believe. Wrong. You told someone else.
I told you what I believe, and what I believe is that everything you said is bullshit. Is there a problem? Why am I closed minded, because I choose not to believe what you believe? What an ignorant jackass.
I could really care less what you believe....
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Originally Posted by likemclever
These two guys are suffering from Devout Christian Ignoramus Disorder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melton420
What happens when a christian and a "non-believer" goes into debate about the existence of God? Well, the christian states that he believes in God and Jesus with all of his heart and that others should open their eyes and see the light. Then the non-believer states that he doesn't believe in God or Jesus and that anyone who does is a pod blinded by this false belief that one will be judged when one dies and one should have faith that God will make the right judgement with one's spirit. Or whatever. Then, with a big fat mile, the christian says "Well, you believe what you want to believe". Like what the other guy believes is wrong? "Yeah? Well, what if I told you what I thought of YOUR beliefs, mister?" YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE! AHAHAHA~!
And I don't give a rats ass what you believe? So what's your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by likemclever
"To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise ... without plunging into the fathomless abyss of dreams and phantasms. I am satisfied, and sufficiently occupied with the things which are, without tormenting or troubling myself about those which may indeed be, but of which I have no evidence." â??Thomas Jefferson
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/.../jefferson.htm
I'm not a Mr. and your making me tired goodnight.