"look he is banned end of story"
Point well taken. I guess that makes this the end of that.
Toker
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"look he is banned end of story"
Point well taken. I guess that makes this the end of that.
Toker
you have done freedom of speech whats next? right to free acsess (i know its wrong i tryed three times) to health care or the effects of violence on tv.
reefer - I believe in absolute freedom of political and religious opinion and promotion if that was aimed at me. I also believe in the freedom to switch over, throw away junk mail, and ban drivelling lunatics from forums.
peace :)
Is this how you try to discredit? Look man, all I am saying is Freedom of speech is very importent. If you don't agree, well that's up to you.
When the feds slipped in legislation to punish transit companies for accepting adverts from pro-cannabis activists I let my voice be heard.
When the appellate court upheld the 1st amendment and found the feds law un-constitutional I lit a big bowl in celebration for free speech had won another battle.
And yet...I can understand why one cannot yell "FIRE!" in a theatre unless there really is one.I can understand a website dedicated to cannabis not wanting or enduring offensive talk of incest or whatnot.It's just not the same thing.
"Do excuse me... NWM, please don't ban lunatics anymore, could you shoot them on the spot please, thanks."
Your comparing apples and oranges and saying they are the same because they are both fruit. If someone was hacking my kids with an axe, you can bet your ass I would do my best to end their life. If they were just talking about screwing kids in a shower, I would not be so eager to kill them, as they may just be talking out of their ass. Do you get the difference between action, and speech yet? If I say the government sucks and we should have a revolution, but take no action in that direction, would you think it was the same as if I had taken action towards a revolution against the government?
"Ah, the old 'what's normal' argument."
Well, no on has given a good answer yet. If I ever get one, I'll let ya in on it.
"they speak for the reflected majority of members comments."
I believe they were appointed, and I never saw a vote. Only a few people that didn't like the guy and seemed to hold a grudge had any kind of say.
"I believe that's called Democracy."
The way it's been lately I might agree, but appointed, unelected officers and no vote is a dictatorship, not democracy. I believe you may be confused on that.
"Strange argument for a "Libertarian", and strangely familiar. Sounds more like the argument a conservative christian might use."
Why is that so strange to you?
"To my knowledge this site has not been promoted as giving psychiatric guidance in any medical publications."
But someone said we gather here to help and support? I guess they wern't speaking for everyone after all.
"Moderators draw the line here. Usually with the full support of the majority of users. Sorry, it's that Democracy thing again."
Sorry to have to correct you again, but it is not a democracy here. It's called a dictatorship.
"But if you insist on calling a spade a tulip and threaten people who don't agree with you"
I don't recall ever threatening anyone, did that dude threaten someone?
"He was not putting forward an argument of any kind, thereby not defending a chosen stance other than being an arse."
I can relate a little, I'm kind of an ass myself.
"And if I may say, I believe in defending these actions you are displaying the same qualities."
Let me get this straight. By defending Freedom of speech I am the same quality of person as a child molester in your mind? Interesting concept. Would you have me banned for it?
"They will make them go away from here."
Do you feel safe in that box?
"Yes, but we can talk freely about the issues we came here to discuss without it being in our box."
Out of site out of mind kind of thing, right? That's my point anyway.
"bloogle didn't understand his own statements and admitted such on many occasions. There was nothing to be learnt."
There is always something to learn. You found out that there was nothing to learn. That's learning something. If you can't learn from your expirences, well, that's your problem.
"Yes, you do don't you. You'd rather troll."
Another attempt at a label. I like em, they mean more then words to me. Labels like troll are a sign of insecurity in ones own words. You know, kind of like they think they need a little help with their message, so they try a label or two to spice things up a little and build confidence in their words.
Toker
"And yet...I can understand why one cannot yell "FIRE!" "
Yelling fire can cause harm, saying you showered with a young girl doesn't. As sick as it is, I doubt anyone was running madly for the door in a panic when he said it.
Maybe your right, and I am exagerating the cost to Freedom. Maybe I'm not..........
Toker
"Your comparing apples and oranges and saying they are the same because they are both fruit."
No, I'm taking your argument to it's natural extreme. A method of debate I'm certain you're familiar with.
"I believe they [moderators] were appointed, and I never saw a vote."
So if you were, for example, opening a store you would have a vote on who worked for you? I rather think you'd employ people you judged to be suitable.
"Only a few people that didn't like the guy and seemed to hold a grudge had any kind of say."
Only a few members were in the chat channel, ergo.
" Well, no on has given a good answer yet. If I ever get one, I'll let ya in on it."
No one ever will give an answer you're happy with. You'd have nothing left to argue about.
"The way it's been lately I might agree, but appointed, unelected officers and no vote is a dictatorship, not democracy. I believe you may be confused on that."
Either that or you may need to check a dictionary. Authority.. 'representative of the wishes of the majority' is democracy last time I checked.
" But someone said we gather here to help and support? I guess they wern't speaking for everyone after all."
I'd guess on a cannabis forum they may have meant help with issues concerning cannabis. Just a wild guess.
" Sorry to have to correct you again, but it is not a democracy here. It's called a dictatorship."
Anyone seen Ron recently? Oh where can that dictator be? He needs to be controlling every thread to be doing his dictatorial job properly. Maybe he just leaves it to the members to say what they want, and the moderators to respond. Is it sinking in yet?
"Let me get this straight. By defending Freedom of speech I am the same quality of person as a child molester in your mind? Interesting concept. Would you have me banned for it?"
No my friend. I meant you were being an arse.
"There is always something to learn. You found out that there was nothing to learn. That's learning something. If you can't learn from your expirences, well, that's your problem."
What? I think you lost your own point on that one. Proving you have no evidence does not prove you have a case, it merely proves you have no evidence!
"Labels like troll are a sign of insecurity in ones own words. You know, kind of like they think they need a little help with their message, so they try a label or two to spice things up a little and build confidence in their words."
Well, rehearsed answer, bravo. I tend to find people are given the label trolls by those who recognize trolls. But please keep it up. Just think of me as Billy goat Gruff.
peace :)
Well, at least you agree that freedom of speech is not absolute.I personally believe that people here at Cannabis.com are all for free speech.It also appears that they exercise their rights to be deaf in their own house.
If this site had tolerated the crap that guy was spouting it would have driven away many who visit this board that might actually have something to share.
I think there is a lot of harm in giving a platform to a pedophile.
lmao maryjane i fuckin love ya hahaha when ya comin to pick me up :P
"If this site had tolerated the crap that guy was spouting it would have driven away many who visit this board that might actually have something to share. "
Amen
Wrong thread again Ammie?
;)
"No, I'm taking your argument to it's natural extreme. A method of debate I'm certain you're familiar with."
No, your saying one equals the other even though they are not the same. Your saying speech is the same as action. Would you like to take that to it's natural extreme?
"So if you were, for example, opening a store you would have a vote on who worked for you? I rather think you'd employ people you judged to be suitable."
I don't think your getting the concept of democracy and dictatorship. Because a dictatorship is run in a open and decent manner makes it no less a dictatorship. You say this is democracy??? LOL! You may find that your little store is also a dictatorship if you take the time to think about it, just as this board is. It's Rons house, he's a good dick, but a dictator just the same. That is why he has the ultimate end game for this site, or marihemp anyway. In any case your dead wrong about this board being even close to a democracy. Ron will listen, but in the end it is his choice.
"Either that or you may need to check a dictionary. Authority.. 'representative of the wishes of the majority' is democracy last time I checked."
Yep, mob rules. But you don't have that here do you? You got one suppreme ruler, and his appointed law men. Don't get me wrong, I like Ron, he's proven to be a good guy and a friend of Freedom. But in the end, you don't have mob rules here. If you think you do, try to have me banned with your majority and see what happens.
"I'd guess on a cannabis forum they may have meant help with issues concerning cannabis. Just a wild guess."
Could be that a board that says "Friendly talk about nothing in particular", is just that.
"Anyone seen Ron recently? Oh where can that dictator be? He needs to be controlling every thread to be doing his dictatorial job properly. Maybe he just leaves it to the members to say what they want, and the moderators to respond. Is it sinking in yet?"
I don't know man, why don't you tell me? Your the one that seems to be confused here.
"No my friend. I meant you were being an arse."
Why thank you! Complement accepted.
"Well, rehearsed answer, bravo. I tend to find people are given the label trolls by those who recognize trolls."
Exactly what is a troll anyway? Can you define that for me? If I am a troll, and me and you are doing the same thing, wouldn't that make you a troll also?
"But please keep it up"
No worries mate, I'll stick around awhile. At least until I decide to go back under my rock again. Then you will just have to deal with me poping in and out every so often.
Toker
It would also be nice to have Libertarian Toker banned. From what I can tell he likes to listen to pedophiles and child molesters. No one wants that shit here, I don't understand why you would. This is a Cannabis web site, though it is a "general" forum it shouldn't be a "pedophile & child molester freedom of speech" forum.
Quoting people is a lot easier on your eyes if you actually quote them, it isn't hard.
i wouldn't like to see him banned,
Libertarian Toker obviousley has his beliefs and we have ours, but i don't understand how he can't see why Bloogleshleimens was banned :confused:
Strange as it may seem I would argue against banning Toker or anyone else who is willing to put forward a rational argument for their beliefs. He can pick apart my points, I can pick apart his, maybe we'll both end up learning something.
peace :)
But why would anyone want a child molester here if he/she were not one themself...
Believe what you want, it's kind of odd that this guy is defending him with pride.
Toker - Although I am enjoying our debate I'm not sure 'The Lounge' is the place for it.
I believe NWM intends to start a couple of open debate threads tomorrow and I hope you'll be joining in. I am likely to be offline for quite some time today unfortunately.
peace :)
Nugs, making judgements without evidence is never safe practice. The version of events I read was that bloogle showered with his neices when he was five, and his neices are very nearly the same age he is. I was not in chat when this was being discussed so I only have the evidence of the forum to make judgements. I was quite content to see him banned for the endless pages of meaningless drivel he posted. We only ever had his word concerning his age and in the most part he sounded like a very stoned child.
peace :)
I wouldn't just believe anyone saying this but when a mod and people that have 'respect' on the forums post it, i'm 99.9% it's true.
Some things just shouldn't be told to the public.
"It would also be nice to have Libertarian Toker banned. From what I can tell he likes to listen to pedophiles and child molesters."
Yet I will bet that you don't know what the "pedifile" even said. Like your doing with me, I'll bet your just making claims without any real evidence to back up your claim. Your claim against me is false. Does that translate into the acusations against Bloog being true, or greatly exagerated? I am starting to wonder after being acused myself, if maybe the whole thing is not some silly exageration. Since no on can say what exactly was said, I will have to assume that most of it, like with what is now being said about me, is exagerated out of proportion with what really was said. Condeming and exagerating what I said in the way that you are, only serves to tell me that you guys don't really care for the truth to much.
"Libertarian Toker obviousley has his beliefs and we have ours, but i don't understand how he can't see why Bloogleshleimens was banned"
Because I didn't see it could be the exact reason. I understand the reasons given for banning. I am finding it rather disgusting though, that people clammer for the conviction of someone without ever seeing any evidence of what they are condeming him for. It is becoming clear that most who are condeming bloog are doing so out of dislike instead of evidence. I guess I am not so easly convinced as some without the evidence, because I have only read a few of his post's, and none of what I read indicated to me that he was a pedifile bent on abusing children. Now I have been convicted for something not true of the same nature. That doesn't help matters much since I know it is not true.
"No one wants that shit here, I don't understand why you would."
Who say's I want it here? I would preffer not to have it talked about, but not at the expense of Freedom. Looks a little like due process may be a thing of the past also. All that seems to be needed to convince people of guilt here is a few words proclaiming guilt. Seeing how quick people are to condem makes me wonder a little about why no one can produce what was actualy said.
"But why would anyone want a child molester here if he/she were not one themself..."
Can you show me where I said I wanted child molesters here? I find it absolutly amazing that I can stand up for free speech, and because of that be acused of being a child molester. I would stand for a socialist's free speech also, that doesn't make me one. The logic behind that kind of thinking is rather silly, and it is becoming clearer to me what's really going on here with every passing post.
"Believe what you want, it's kind of odd that this guy is defending him with pride."
I defend Freedom, not pedifiles.
"He can pick apart my points, I can pick apart his, maybe we'll both end up learning something."
I like to call it friendly talk about nothing inparticular. I have learned a lot doing it, and I enjoy it also. For some strange reason some people seem to want it banned.
"Toker - Although I am enjoying our debate I'm not sure 'The Lounge' is the place for it. "
Why not? There are boards for everything you can think of related to weed. Why is this one that is for nothing inparticular have to fall under the "has to be about weed" catagory? It doesn't say nothing inparticular about weed, it just says nothing inparticular. The restrictions to speech are not enough, lets add a few more. What ever, if you want to take it somewhere else, like say the politics board at marihemp, I'm all for it. We can talk about how chickens shit, and many other of the wall subjects over there, and no one will tell us not to.
"I am likely to be offline for quite some time today unfortunately."
It's raining and grey here. I'll have to do some honey do's, but I'll be mostly just hanging around getting high and BSing today. I wouldn't mind moving on to a different subject when ya get back. This one seems to be about dead. I'm sure we can find something else to disagree on that's not going to get me called a child molester. I wonder which is worse, calling someone a child molester thats not one, or trying to stand up for Freedom? It's good to know that you don't run with the herd Hvy, I look foward to our next discussion.
"Some things just shouldn't be told to the public."
Was that Bush, or was it Rummy that said that? Say, what are those things the public shouldn't know anyway? Can you tell me what they are?
Toker
You're burning my eyes, please edit that so I can read it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nugs4Me
It's easy man, the " at the start, and finish, of any qoute is a sign that it is a qoute. If you wrote that qoute, then you know I am talking to you. Directly under that is my reply. If it's to much for your fragile eyes, don't read it. I have been doing it that way for way to long to want to change my ways because of your sensitive eyes.
Toker
You take your time to copy and past is it really that hard to click the "quote" button? You seem to like typing so instead of doing " just type [ quote ] quote me! [ /quote ] (spaced of course) Or jsut click the button that looks like writing. It just helps point out the stuff you're trying to point out.
Thanks for your concern. I think I'll stick to what it is I do though. I know you really want me to conform and give up my individuality, but it ain't going to happen.
Toker
Tell ya what nugs, just for you I will do it the way you want when I am quoting you. It's all you get though, so don't be greedy.
Toker