yep. three years ago an american dollar would give you about $1.57 canadian. now it's about $1.23 and falling every day.
once the two dollars are on par i expect even wider opened borders.
all hail the one north america new world order
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yep. three years ago an american dollar would give you about $1.57 canadian. now it's about $1.23 and falling every day.
once the two dollars are on par i expect even wider opened borders.
all hail the one north america new world order
Actually, I'm glad to see the value drop a little. Why you may ask? Assholes in Europe have had the trade advantage on us the same way China does...lower value of currency equals lower cost goods. That creates a need for more exports, that equals more work in the U.S.. Look at the news...which countries bitch the heaviest about the "declining U.S. dollar"? France and Germany! The same dirty fucks that abused the Food for Oil program!Quote:
Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
One North America for the NWO? You really don't have ANY faith in your own government I guess.
Here's a nice little article on China justice...check out what they'll execute ya for!
http://www.angelfire.com/stars/dorina/dpchina.html
Yeah, let's get Texas's execution record then we'll talkQuote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
I didn't know they took so much pride in it....DAMN!! Here's a year to year composit:Quote:
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http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/annual.htm
And the site that it came from:
Texas Department of Criminal Justice
Death Row Information
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/deathrow.htm
Don't think I'll be going to Texas any time soon!
I like the Chinese culture. communism is very interesting. I just don't feel this has anything to do with the Chinese people. It has to do with their government and ours.Both the US and China, are scouring the world for oil, gas and minerals to help power their economy, There really are issues of National security too. It is like a giant game of monopoly and we are losing. The US and China have been buying up resources for some time. Our leaders are more interested in turning a profit, they are hoping the war will keep everyones eyes focus elsewhere while they sell off US companies, move them to China and pocket the profits. I wonder just how long the profits will last. It is a very bad economic move for us. It worries me that they are creating a false economy with the dollar and the human rights violations are still an issue. They have not gone away.
The yuan, is fixed to the US dollar, and is grossly undervalued, keeping China's exports artificially cheap, undermining US exports, putting many Americans out of work and threatening the closure of many industries
we have a whopping US trade deficit with China of 162 billion dollars in 2004, and Beijing used the surplus dollars to buy an array of modern weapons that threaten US security...
Less obvious: a far more insidious grab for industrial secrets. This electronic theft is taking place with the tacit okay, or at least the nonintervention, of the Beijing government.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2005/0725/054.html
from a chinese news paper....
It is assumed by many that one day China leading East Asia will simply walk over and totally surpass the old decadent West, and ascend to global supremacy. The United States will turn inward out of fear of domination, and along with their European compatriots leave the world to the rule of Asian powers, notably China. This view is shared by many within China....
Nice post!
"from a chinese news paper....
It is assumed by many that one day China leading East Asia will simply walk over and totally surpass the old decadent West, and ascend to global supremacy. The United States will turn inward out of fear of domination, and along with their European compatriots leave the world to the rule of Asian powers, notably China. This view is shared by many within China.... "
Now I'm sure that China would never ever have these sort of imperialistic feelings! :rolleyes:
That's the craziest thing I've ever read.Quote:
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Not really...that is by no means the views of everyone but they are the views of many and it is the same in both US and China. I think most of it is the fear of the unknown....we need open relations with China but we also need to watch our economy and national security...I don't fear a war but I do fear an economic take over.
FEAR!!
The magic word... and the word that rules absolutely everything in the US, left, right, center, old, young, middle... Fear is the motto by which you live your lives. Don't fear, there's no point at all. I say embrace China, let's welcome them into the international community. Let's show them that we're not afraid, but instead we're happy to have such a power on our side.
I know that sounds real hippy and overly optimistic, but what if the West tried it out for once instead of automatically alienating new power players?
I don't beleive in fear mongering but I think it would be irresponsible to simply embrace them and not look at what they are doing. They are buying up all the worlds resources. The US and China are using up all the resources it would be foolish to not pay attention.
How would you handle the spying and technology theft?
What about being completely dependent on China when they own everything.
Will they be like Walmart, who sells things really cheap until they put the little man out of business then they raise the price when the competitions gone?
Do you have a link to the full text of this newspaper article? I'd like to read who is saying this and when it was written. The language used, "decadent West", sounds more like something written in the 60's, not today. In any case I would seriously like to read this.Quote:
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I do agree that the rapid rise is China's economy is going to have a major effect on the other major economies of the world. This in inevitable. You can not have a population of 1/3 billion and consistant double, or nearly double, digit economic growth without having some effect, good or bad, on the rest of the world. As far as an "economic take over" is concerned, however, China is still a long way off.
A lot of people have been shaken up by the recent attempts by Chinese companies to buy Maytag and Unocal. They see this as an attempt of China to take over our economy. China's total worldwide direct investment, however, is still far behind the U.S. direct investment in China alone. Here's an interesting article from, of all places, the Christian Science Monitor,
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0630/p17s01-cogn.html
It is highly unlikely that China will ever "own everything" or even a significant percentage of "everything". Certainly not in our lifetime. Anyone who believes this might as well go hide with Pisshead in his cabin and wait for the Fed's to bust down the door.
U.S. jobs being lost to cheap Chinese labor is a more realistic concern but this too, is inevitable. It simply follows certain domestic and international economic principles that are highly unlikely to change. People like to point the finger at American corporations for raking in huge profits from this while forgetting that they too are benefitting. What would happen if all of these jobs suddenly came back to the U.S.? Skyrocketing inflation, that's what. The increased cost of having an American worker produce them would cause the prices of these goods to increase to the point that most coud no longer afford them. Second, the additional money pumped into the economy from these new jobs would cause further inflation. Workers will now demand more money to pay for the increasing cost of goods resulting in more inflation. People say its a small price to pay to have the jobs back but really, how many of us want to pay $20.00 for a fucking McDonalds happy meal?
What will most likely happen is that China will gain in certain areas that is is strong but fall behind in others. Although it may be painful at first the U.S. will adjust accordingly and will gain in areas where we are strong. This isn't a bad thing though as it pushes us to be better rather than accept complacency. This has been going on for hundreds of years folks. Different players on different teams but its been happening none the less.
And, if you're still concerned, I'll be happy to offer to teach you how to speak Chinese.....
I will have to look through my history and find where I read it.
I am trying to cook dinner and post lol
Anyone who believes this might as well go hide with Pisshead in his cabin and wait for the Fed's to bust down the door.
theres no need to be rude or defensive....I'm confused by this I thought we were talking about China and their policies...
CSM is a great read BTW. Damn I burned the potatoes, brb :)
how dare anyone question the feds' authority or motives, they are all knowing and care so much about me. that would just be silly.
let's see how far that gets us!
Sorry 'bout your potatoes BlueCat and sorry if I came off as being rude. I certainly wasn't directing any intentional rudeness at you. I guess I was just trying to emphasize the unlikeliness of this happening and got carried away.
potatoes survived! Ok so I am still worried about espionage and motive. They are buying up the world but then so are we. I really want to talk more on this Fengzi
if you can calm my fears than more power to you! I even considered moving to China at one time so I am no way against China, but I worry about a communist government. Maybe when I know more China I won't be worried.
I need more answers but right now I gotta go eat dinner.....I'll ttyl.
How much do you know about Communism?
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
i dont have faith in my government. i never had faith in my government.
i have faith in the canadian people to do the right thing and not let our way of life be changed drastically unless we say so.
paul martin is a schmuck. the whole fucking parliament is turning into a bunch of fucks. i dont care and never did care about them.
and the american dollar dropping in value isnt going to help when the bill collectors come for their money. how much was that defecit again?
all hail poverty in first world countries
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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
What did you think of Chretien?
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Originally Posted by BlueCat
i didnt mind him all that much. but he seemed like a pretty cool guy and actually during his time in office canada was a whole lot different.
it actually seemed more peaceful and it felt really safe. now, a few years later we have dodgier areas and people are getting shot a whole lot more.
i blame that on immigration though...at least immigration with limited restrictions.
but back to chretien...i was only a punk teenager just a couple of years ago and so i wasnt really into politics. so he may or may not have sent canada down the path to armageddon. i've been busy with american current events which is pretty bad.
man, im an asshole
all hail perspective.
Well I thought Chretien was pretty cool.
I liked it when he told the Bush people he wasn't kisses anyones arse. lol :D
Communism as a theory or communism as it exists in China? Communism, as in Karl Marx's version where property is divided up equally, work is shared, and each gets according to his needs and does according to his abilities, does not exist in China. I don't know if it really truly existed anywhere. China certainly tried to make a go of it back in the 50's, 60's and early 70's, however. In fact my mother in law, the daughter of a Bourgeoisie landlord, was sent to a commune shortly after my wife was born so she could be re-educated among the laboring masses.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueCat
A lot has changed since then, however, and nothing resembling true communism exists in China today. Take a walk down Shanghai's Huai Hai Street with it's boutiques, cafes, and even Starbucks and you'd have no idea that you were in a "communist" country . Privately owned businesses are as common as State run businesses and some State run ones have even been sold off to private investors. Stores are filled with pricey Western goods and there seems to be no shortage of people buying them. People buy and sell stocks and, just like here, everyone's goal is to get rich.
China today is communist only in that it is run by the communist party. And that, is only a name, like Republican, Democrat, etc, nothing more. The government is not run by strange little men in Mao suits anymore. It is run by intelligent, generally respected, professional politicians. At least the high level, central, government is. It is not a dictatorship as that would imply it is run by one person when, in fact, decisions are made by many. There are both conservative and liberal factions within the government and control tends to go back and forth between the two groups.
Of course the people can not vote so there is no danger to the communist party of it ever losing power. Most people here in the U.S., however, would be surprised to see how much the general population actually influences the government. The government does not want to see unrest and protests like the incident in Tiananmen back in â??89. They understand that the best way to prevent this is to keep the people as happy as can be within the confines of the system. So, they pay close attention to public opinion and play a game where they let the leash out just enough to make people happy and then slowly bring it back in if needed. For the most part it works.
The biggest problem with the government is that it is filled with cronyism and corruption, especially at the lower levels. To make matters worse, China is a huge country with a poor infrastructure outside of the more modern cities on the eastern coast. Many, many cities in Chinaâ??s interior are quite remote, taking a day or more by bus to get to, and the central government in Beijing has little direct control in those areas. It is in these cities where the corruption is the worst . Many of the horror stories we hear about the Chinese government are actually from these areas, not the central government in Beijing itself. Kind of like if they had a story in one of their newspapers stating that American government supported marijuana use and gay marriages. While this may be true here in San Francisco that view isnâ??t held in Washington.
Hopefully this will have answered some of your questions. If you have any specific ones feel free to ask and Iâ??ll answer as best I can. And please donâ??t get me wrong, I have no illusions about China having a perfect government. There is a lot there that is seriously fucked up. Itâ??s just that I have just seen how the American media puts itâ??s spin on any story about China so that most Americanâ??s see China as an evil regime intent on turning the world commie. There are so many misconceptions about China and as we have recently seen certain misconceptions, such as about wmd, can have serious consequences.
for real!? he did that!?Quote:
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aw man that is so cool. i thought only north korea had the balls to tell bush to fuck off.
Chretien is pretty misunderstood, and under-rated. I think this is mainly because of his appearance and manner of speach: he speaks like an old french-canadian farmer, believe me, I've met a few :) However, the man is one of the cleverest politicians, at least in Canadian history.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueCat
And Paul Martin is indeed a big schmuck. I think the Liberals will probably lose the next election, which is a good thing even if the Conservatives win. Because no matter who it is, a party cannot be in power for almost 15 years and NOT have some form of corruption. The proof is that advertising scandal that's still not fully rsolved yet.
There's no doubt Chretien was in on the scam, but even deep down, on some level, it was a sort of noble cause, to help prevent Quebec separation.
Chretien seems to be a good person from what I have read. I was living in Canada when he stepped down, I found it sad as Canada needed someone to stand up to US conservative pressures. I think Martin has sold out but then that feeling comes from watching CNBC.Quote:
Originally Posted by F L E S H
I don't live in Canada now so I am out of touch.
What problems do you have with Martin?
he bows way to easily to american pressure. i dont think it's due to being weak-kneed i think it's that corruption flesh was talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueCat
the pharm. drugs issue for example. he did nothing major to stop it, even though alot of people said he should retaliate by cutting the u.s. natural oil exports. he didnt.
he's just a big "liberal" pussy.
all hail bad canadian politicians
All hail bad politics EVERYWHERE....did you ever read that BCCI affair paper? There are so many crooks out there it is hard to know who to beleive....
BCCI's criminality included fraud by BCCI and BCCI customers involving billions of dollars; money laundering in Europe, Africa, Asia, and the Americas; BCCI's bribery of officials in most of those locations; support of terrorism, arms trafficking, and the sale of nuclear technologies; management of prostitution; the commission and facilitation of income tax evasion, smuggling, and illegal immigration; illicit purchases of banks and real estate; and a panoply of financial crimes....
BCCI's systematically relied on relationships with, and as necessary, payments to, prominent political figures in most of the 73 countries in which BCCI operated. BCCI records and testimony from former BCCI officials together document BCCI's systematic securing of Central Bank deposits of Third World countries...
BCCI developed a plan to infiltrate the U.S. market through secretly purchasing U.S. banks while opening branch offices of BCCI throughout the U.S
It just gets deeper and deeper it is really an eye opening read and it is No Conspiracy theory it is a congressional investigation that has been proven to be true. The oil companies are invovled in this too. Surprise surprise
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992...cci/01exec.htm
Thanks for the informative post Fengzi. it is appreciated. :)
Some questions...."China today is communist only in that it is run by the communist party. And that, is only a name, like Republican, Democrat,"
Ok but Democrats and Republicans have an a set idealogy, the Chinese government still supposts the communist Idealogy doesn't it?
How has this changed?
Of course the people can not vote so there is no danger to the communist party of it ever losing power
This concerns me. ^
I really don't trust either government. I know that economic growth will help us to communicate better and in turn may help humanitarian issues but I don't think that will happen with our present day leaders because they won't even admit there is a problem....
Ok but Democrats and Republicans have an a set idealogy, the Chinese government still supposts the communist Idealogy doesn't it?
How has this changed?
Actually the current government does not support a communist ideology. I'm not sure how to describe their ideology but it isn't communist. Maybe nationalist but not really. The problem is that people here want to see Chinese communisn fall like it did in The Soviet Union and Eastern Europe. They want drama, to see walls being torn down, to see borders changed, etc. That's just not going to happen. What has happened is that Chinese communism has already fallen but rather than having an abrupt change it has happened gradually. Starting pretty much in 1978 when Deng Xiaoping came to power the government has gradually been reforming itself. It is now so differnet that the government, and its ideology, bears very little resemblance to that of Mao's day. This is why, although most people here see Deng Xiaoping as the evil villian behind the Tiananmen Square crackdown, most Chinese actually revere him as the father of "modern China".
I really don't trust either government. I know that economic growth will help us to communicate better and in turn may help humanitarian issues but I don't think that will happen with our present day leaders because they won't even admit there is a problem....
I agree that it would be better if the Chinese people had some direct say in how the government is run. From what I have seen, however, most Chinese have little interest in participating in the government at all. I think that a lot of this is due to the fact that they simply don't know any other way. It's hard to miss what you've never experienced. Of course I'm basing this on people who I know personally, most of which are well educated, successful, and reasonably wealthy for Chinese standards. For these people life is good so why rock the boat?
On the humanitarian issues there is a lot that does bother me. We have to realize, however, that our opinions about what are basic human rights are based on our value system and beliefs. We are a terribly ethnocentric society and would like to think that all Chinese would love to have the rights that we do but this isn't neccessarily true. In fact, many are quite insulted by our criticism of their lack of rights. They feel we have far too many rights which has resulted in high crime and a lack of moral character. This is similar to an article I was reading a while back on Singapore, also pretty low on the rights ladder, where they did a survey asking if the people there would like more rights. While nearly all said yes, when given a choice of no change or change to every right given to Americans nearly all said no change. There's an interesting book called Human Rights and Chinese Values that you might want to read sometime that discusses this issue.
If you get the chance to teach in China again I'd highly recommend it. I actually taught for a while when I was there and its a great opportunity to talk with people from many different walks of life. Most people are pretty open and don't hold anything back. If nothing else its a great chance to see how another culture lives.
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im dreaming...two people actually went into the politics forum and managed to have respectful courteous debate :eek:
it's been a while.... :(
all hail respect
Thank you so much Fengzi... I would like to hear more about your teaching job.
I will look for "Human Rights and Chinese Values".....
You have calmed a few fears...thanks :)
and so the story ends...what lies in store for our valiant heroes next?Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueCat
catch us for the next episode of dragon ball z...i mean political events.
keep up the great posts you two. it was a good read.
all hail mutual education.