-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
Quote:
Originally Posted by partyguy420
...i probly wont even keep my guns in my house...(wouldnt do a hole lot of good... since i know how to kill ppls like 100 dif ways with my bare hands)
That last statement made me laugh histerically.
Wierdo:
That's a really cool idea. Injecting prisoners with HIV so that they can see what does and doesn't help it with no worries of humanity. ((Who in their right mind is going to go and protest the mistreatment of sexual offenders?))
"Well, there's a 99.9% chance that it will kill the patient outright, but there's still the .1% chance that it will cure aids on the spot. We've got a surplus of sexual offenders from that milwaukee child porn ring that got busted last week though, so we might as well try it out." - AIDS scientist
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
Quote:
Originally Posted by kaela
dont molest people , that's mean.
don't kill... toke and be nice.
Awesome post.. Why kill them? Who gets anything out of that? All that anyone gets is blood on their hands and some twisted, obscure sense of gratification. Is this the way you guys really want us to live? Murdering people by choice? Shit, the death penalty is definately not a deterrent (take a look at all the countries that use it.. I mean, America puts to death more people than most countries and has the highest incarceration rate also), and it's a disgusting punishment.
Think about the War On Drugs for a moment. The government and it's lackies try and stop drug use by tackling the 'problem' of drug use... They arrest people and ruin their lives thousands of times every year in one country alone. But still every year the amount of people using recreational drugs increases. Why is this? Well, if drugs really are a 'problem' then what is faulty or lacking in our society that makes people feel the need to take drugs? If they were to figure this out then they could tackle the cause of drug use, and people wouldn't feel the need to do it anymore.
((I don't believe that drug use is a problem personally, and I don't believe that drug use needs to be tackled or stopped... I was just using that viewpoint as a comparison.))
If you go around killing sexual offenders then, well, you'll have alot less sexual offenders.... but only temporarily. Maybe this kind of sexual deviancy is genetic, but nobody knows if that's so or not. If it's not genetic (which I strongly believe it isn't) then these people are picking this kind of behaviour up from somebody (usually a parent/adult in the persons childhood) or there is something causing this kind of behavious in them. If you actually try to find out what causes this kind of thing in society then you'll have a much more of a chance of stopping it.
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
PS.... If our governments stopp putting people in jail for committing consensual 'crimes', then the prisons would have alot more room for all these sex offenders. We could keep them locked up while we try and find a 'cure'. :)
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
I must be twisted then.If anyone touched my child i would KILL THEM WITH NO HESITATION (will never happen i dont give it a chance to).This is a great thread and is the way i think about those sick fucks.I know a few people that have been hurt as children and it never goes away from them.Actually paedophiles are my worst hate and if caught should be slowly tortured for days or weeks until they cant handle the pain and die a horrible miserable and painful death.Put them in a prison and let all the big fellas have there way with him with barbed wire, broken bottles etc etc etc.That sounds pretty sick i cannot stand children being taken advantage of in any way shape or form.WHY IS IT CHILDREN ? Because they are weak as piss and prey on young ones because they know they usually get away with it.Try molesting a grown man or woman and see how far you get then FUCKING NOWHERE.Actually it wouldnt even have to be my own child i would knife a paedophile if i knew of one for touching ANY kid.Some parents dont care about there kids so another adult has to step in to get something done.
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
hey fenzi if u see this come to the cannabis chat room n PM me plz i have a question(sorry this doesnt ahve to do with THREAD ALL)
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
Several things you can do to these sick bastards.
1. burn those sick fucks at the stake
2. use medieval torture devices on them
3. feed them to ravinous wolves
4. use them as targets for either bows or guns
5. use them as practice dummies when you are using bladed objects
6. hang them and have a sword rung through their bellies
7. beat the hell out of them with heavy wooden katanas
8. put them in huge bronze statues of demons surrounded by a pull of water, then boil them alive
9. use them as crash test dummies
10. cut off their penuses, and make them live in a colony of eunics
I can go on with other things of that nature, but that's enough visual images for now.
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
one of my good friends who is a girl was raped by a some goof who was only 4 yrs older than her and she didnt tell anyone but me a year later so i went over to this goofs house knocked on his door his mom came to the door and i asked if he was in so she went and got him when he came to the door i wound up and punched him in the jaw as hard as i possibly could he went down so i kicked him as hard as i could in the ribs and in the face atleast 10 times well anyways his mom called the cops and i got charged for assault and battery and im still goin through all the legal issues. as for him he didnt get jack shit for his crime it makes me sick
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
ok.ok.ok.ok.
cousians? Please learn how to spell.
shoot them with your gun? Please leave out your gay terminology, homo.
"kill ppls 100 dif ways wif yer bear hands". All you have to do to kill someone is show them your horrible grammar, you bad ass.
Speaking of sexual offenders, my 9th grade English teacher was arrested 2 days ago for having sex with a 16 year old. I laughed, cause the girl was a sloppy whore and she deserved it.
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
Why dont we try to figure out why there are so many child molesters in America in the first place? I dont know the exact figures, but I know some countries and societies have way more, or somehow produce more pedophiles than other countries. If we know the answer to this difficult question, then we'll get closer to solving the problem.
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
Quote:
Originally Posted by jacquelyne
I must be twisted then.If anyone touched my child i would KILL THEM WITH NO HESITATION (will never happen i dont give it a chance to).This is a great thread and is the way i think about those sick fucks.I know a few people that have been hurt as children and it never goes away from them.Actually paedophiles are my worst hate and if caught should be slowly tortured for days or weeks until they cant handle the pain and die a horrible miserable and painful death.Put them in a prison and let all the big fellas have there way with him with barbed wire, broken bottles etc etc etc.That sounds pretty sick i cannot stand children being taken advantage of in any way shape or form.WHY IS IT CHILDREN ? Because they are weak as piss and prey on young ones because they know they usually get away with it.Try molesting a grown man or woman and see how far you get then FUCKING NOWHERE.Actually it wouldnt even have to be my own child i would knife a paedophile if i knew of one for touching ANY kid.Some parents dont care about there kids so another adult has to step in to get something done.
I feel for you, but in all honesty you can't be there to make sure your children never get molested. No matter what you do there's no foolproof way. Take all the precautions you can of course, but sometimes things just happen. Sometimes it happens in school, that doesn't mean you should homeschool your kids. In alot of cases the only thing you can do is inform your kids to the best of your ability and make sure they tell you if anything happens, and especially focus on letting them know how to prevent anything from happening. And don't do it angrily, because sometimes kids get the idea that if you got mad about talking about it ((who doesn't child molestation infuriate? child molesters, and that's about it.)) they'll think you'll get mad if they tell you about it. You've got kids to raise, so don't go knifing someone if you find out about a child molester. :p
Even if one of your kids ((How long until the next one pops out anyway?)) gets molested, which hopefully won't happen, all you can do is take it up with the police. Because I guarantee losing their mom ((aka, you being in jail throughout their years of growing up)) would be 100x more painful to them then some dirtly old pervert touching them funny.
Does your first one still have his mullet?
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
dont' say it won't ever happen, i've found this to be true in almost all cases, it happens when you least expect it, or from the person you'd least expect of it.
another question just came to mind, how come there's a thread about this, but not about the people that murder for their own sick pleasure? just seems they are about equal, i mean if it's a pedophile, it hurts your kid for the rest of his/her life, but if it's a murderer it hurts you/anyone else attatched to the person for the rest of their life.
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
If I had a kid and someone molested him/her, there's no telling what I'd do. In that kind of a situation no one can say for sure how they'd react.
I'm not sure why we keep trying to rehabilitate these people when its clear that rehabilitation is unsuccesful.
On another note, why is this in the sexuality forum?
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
i started this thread after recent abductions/murders had happened. being a victim of abuse myself & also being in the prison system, gave me a unique view of how these people are being "coddled" by the system. it made me sick that the d.o.c. gave these guys preferrable treatment, early releases, or release @ all. it's like our children are sub-human with sub-human rights. victimize a child & get 4yrs in prison, with good time & all early release options. get caught with a bunch of pot & you will do every bit of your time & the parole board will make sure you do additional time. this is in michigan mind you but most states dont have the resources to keep them as long as they need to be kept, forever. they need to make room for dope cases who go in forever sometimes. let's say some greasy monster sodomizes 10 little boys over the course of his life, usually it's much more, how many of those kids will grow up to do the same? one thing is very certain, all monsters in our society were abused by someone @ a very early & impressionable age, ALL OF THEM. it's a growing epedemic & we as a society are letting our future down BIG time. i feel chemical castration in order to get released after 1st offense should be mandatory in all states. here in this state they already have several prison FULL of nothing but these sick bastards, how long until they start letting them out in masse to make room for the killers & gangbangers? r
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
you write your congressman and DEMAND they pass Lundsfords law in your state.This calls for mandatory 25 year aggravated sentences for first time offenders,life for a second offence.
after getting out after 25 years(if they make it out) they also have to wear a tracking device for the rest of their lives.
its a good law and one that should be passed in EVERY state.
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
Quote:
Originally Posted by trippruss
it's a growing epedemic
Exactly! Think of paedophilia and sexual deviancy (in this case I mean sexual deviancy as in sexual acts that are considered crimes, such as rape, etc..) as a disease (for want of a better word), an unstoppable epidemic that is sweeping through our societies. You could take action and 'treat' the symptons (by doing some of the things you guys have suggested in this thread.. murdering them, etc), but this would not stop the epidemic from spreading (if this worked would there still be these kind of people?) or you could find the CAUSE, the Patient X, so to speak. Find what causes this kind of behaviour, study it, take as much preventative action as you can, and hopefully, in the future, you'll see a decline. If not, then do it again. Try something else. You guys should know that putting people in jail only harms the individual... it only stops the person put in jail from doing what it is they were put in jail for. It obviously doesn't work, and neither would killing them all. Don't you guys get that?
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
Quote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
Exactly! Think of paedophilia and sexual deviancy (in this case I mean sexual deviancy as in sexual acts that are considered crimes, such as rape, etc..) as a disease (for want of a better word), an unstoppable epidemic that is sweeping through our societies. You could take action and 'treat' the symptons (by doing some of the things you guys have suggested in this thread.. murdering them, etc), but this would not stop the epidemic from spreading (if this worked would there still be these kind of people?) or you could find the CAUSE, the Patient X, so to speak. Find what causes this kind of behaviour, study it, take as much preventative action as you can, and hopefully, in the future, you'll see a decline. If not, then do it again. Try something else. You guys should know that putting people in jail only harms the individual... it only stops the person put in jail from doing what it is they were put in jail for. It obviously doesn't work, and neither would killing them all. Don't you guys get that?
Actually, according to the Justice Department, violent crimes (including rape and sexual assault) are on the decline and have been since 1992.
What you're seeing is an increase in national exposure to such events. The reason for that is completely beyond me.
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
Ah! Again I show my lack of knowledge by jumping in to a conversation about something I know little about, but still have big ideas. lol
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
the exposure is great,these molesters are people who dont "get better" and need to be taken out of society for good.
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
Quote:
Originally Posted by amsterdam
you write your congressman and DEMAND they pass Lundsfords law in your state.This calls for mandatory 25 year aggravated sentences for first time offenders,life for a second offence.
after getting out after 25 years(if they make it out) they also have to wear a tracking device for the rest of their lives.
its a good law and one that should be passed in EVERY state.
100% agree
Every State and hopefully every country. They don't get better, how can you cure someone of their sexuality?
They need to be TAGGED, closely monitored, curfews, police station sign-in's etc.
FOREVER
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
That's fair enough, and I totally agree...
Our society is sick, and these people are the symptons... don't you think, like I said earlier, that fighting the disease would be a better solution than fighting the symptons? You can blow your nose over and over, but it'll just keep getting bunged up again and again until you get rid of the cold.
PS.. Sorry for the crappy analargy, I'm kinda stoned! :D I think you guys get my point, though. :)
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stedric
On another note, why is this in the sexuality forum?
yeah its kind of disturbing seems like something better fitted for the lounge or somethin
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
child molesters engage in sexual activity with children,thats why it is this forum.
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
yeah but as humans we have rights and cannot be critisized on our sexual conduct or acts, our sexuality. so according to this statement its ok to fuck anything you want but the acception is children.its not these peoples sexuality that makes them do this its obviously something fucked in there head, either they were fucked as children so they think its ok or they choose kids because there weak and can be forced to do all this disgusting shit. but anyways back to the origional question what to do about this? well take the initiative to write to the right people and make it so that if these people fuck kids once it sure as hell wont happen again
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
i have never in my life heard of rights saying people cant be critisized?people participating in irresponsible sexual activity like endangering lives having unprotected sex should be called out.
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
I do understand i cant be there always but the only people that i will let watch my son is my sister,sister in law and my mum.I do tell him things so he realises what is right from wrong in the way of how he should be treated by others.I am very protective of him i feel i have to be because nobody else will be because he has a very sweet little heart and kidsb think adults are always right even if they are not.I just hope so much that if anything happened like that to him that he could tell me without me thinking it was his fault or something i always tell him that if he is truthful to me i wont get angry at him no matter what he has done.Yea he has the mullet still but i changed it a bit and made it look better because i have to cut it when he goes to school.The other day a chinese lady gave him a big cuddle and told him he was beautiful and looked like a warrior lol.My baby is due on 4th december.Cant wait.ain]I feel for you, but in all honesty you can't be there to make sure your children never get molested. No matter what you do there's no foolproof way. Take all the precautions you can of course, but sometimes things just happen. Sometimes it happens in school, that doesn't mean you should homeschool your kids. In alot of cases the only thing you can do is inform your kids to the best of your ability and make sure they tell you if anything happens, and especially focus on letting them know how to prevent anything from happening. And don't do it angrily, because sometimes kids get the idea that if you got mad about talking about it ((who doesn't child molestation infuriate? child molesters, and that's about it.)) they'll think you'll get mad if they tell you about it. You've got kids to raise, so don't go knifing someone if you find out about a child molester. :p
Even if one of your kids ((How long until the next one pops out anyway?)) gets molested, which hopefully won't happen, all you can do is take it up with the police. Because I guarantee losing their mom ((aka, you being in jail throughout their years of growing up)) would be 100x more painful to them then some dirtly old pervert touching them funny.
Does your first one still have his mullet?[/QUOTE]
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
I was molested as a child protected my three sisters from this person and never told until 1986, which shocked my poor mother only to find out that this man her stepfather did the same thing to her when she was young and at the time was just very good friend of the family. I have 2 Ideas of what to do with these pices of slime 1
just puy them in general population in the prison system I.m sure they will be taken care of appropriately....... 2 public castration and then public stoning and I don't mean the smoking kind you can do that after.......... AND WARN OUR KIDS LET THEM KNOW IT IS ALL RIGHT TO TELL, THAT THEY ARE NOT THE ONES BEING BAD........
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
Quote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
That's fair enough, and I totally agree...
Our society is sick, and these people are the symptons... don't you think, like I said earlier, that fighting the disease would be a better solution than fighting the symptons? You can blow your nose over and over, but it'll just keep getting bunged up again and again until you get rid of the cold.
PS.. Sorry for the crappy analargy, I'm kinda stoned! :D I think you guys get my point, though. :)
Exactly! Thats pretty much what I said earlier but no one took notice, I guess. :(
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
Quote:
Originally Posted by amsterdam
child molesters engage in sexual activity with children,thats why it is this forum.
Don't confuse sexual assault with consensual sexual activity, they are two different things.
Molestation and sexual assault is about power, not about lust.
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stedric
Don't confuse sexual assault with consensual sexual activity, they are two different things.
Molestation and sexual assault is about power, not about lust.
But the question is, when is it defined as consensual and when is it about power? A 14 year old girl might "consent" to having sex with a 21 year old. Did the 21 year old commit sexual assault? What about a 9 year old girl? Are our laws defining when a person becomes capable of making responsible decisions sufficient, or not?
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
im not a lawyer,but the though of a 21 year old sleepng with a 14 year old is disgusting.that should fall into the fucking common sense category.
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
I think any sexual situation where there is a power imbalance (excluding consensual BDSM of course) is abuse regardless of consent or not.
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
Quote:
Originally Posted by amsterdam
im not a lawyer,but the though of a 21 year old sleepng with a 14 year old is disgusting.that should fall into the fucking common sense category.
I do too. But when is someone old enough? 17, like the law says? Should a guy go to jail for having sex with a girl who is two months shy of her 17th birthday?
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
technically, a man can go to jail for having sex with a girl just one day shy of her 18th birthday.
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
technically, a man can go to jail for having sex with a girl just one day shy of her 18th birthday.
but SHOULD he?
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
does it matter? he's labled as a sex offender and should be killed or infected with any number of std's to be a lab monkey, well atleast according to you people.
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
Actually theres a huge difference between assault and consent slipknot.....Thats why its called STATUATORY rape not just rape......it's because they're not "fully developed,mentally or physically" (which is unfortunately a biological fact despite the screamings of many teens...). Not to say adults dont make mistakes but they go to jail alot longer for those same mistakes ;).
Were talking molesters not all sex offenders, if you were sued by your secretary for slapping her ass chances are you also got charged with sexual assault you are now a sexual offender. It's called common sense. The difference between a crime of passion and a serial killer.....if you need an analogy.
Also im the one who suggested the lab , so it would be like "weirdo79" not "you people". So if you have a problem with it describe your question or counterpoint ;). Most people just described physical violence, not torture. I'm espousing torture. To me its a stronger deterrant. And, it would only be used in DNA(open and shut) cases as I clearly pointed out in my post(but I guess you were too busy skimming the posts to read em).
See we already know how to "cure" the disease the problem is keeping the freed "molestors" on their meds....Chemical Castration works wonders, I suggest just plain old physical castration , its permanent and blocks the same receptors which "turn them on". We can kill anyone's sexual desire(with men its the easiest too) and if fundings any indicator apparently the reverse is the number one issue in today's america....mmm viagra.....
I personally still advocate torture as thats what their victim goes through daily , as well it costs the taxpayer less and helps medical science.
Although im basically an immoral hateful spitefilled bastard, but thats only what my friends tell me ;). So what do I know......Perhaps some more venomous vitriol?
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
does it matter? he's labled as a sex offender and should be killed or infected with any number of std's to be a lab monkey, well atleast according to you people.
lolol. Psycho, I love ya man, but you're all offwhack here. We all recognize the difference between a 40 year old fingerbanging a 2 year old and a 22 year old fucking a 17 year old. If the government was going to change how they deal with sexual offenders, they'd also have to ensure that they recognize the various "degrees" of sexual offenders.
We ain't talkin' black an white. It's all grey from here.
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
i'm just trying to get everyone to understand what they're saying and how it could effect even the ones suggesting it. can you honestly say you'd still be for it if say, the person you love the most in the world and couldn't even take hearing they got locked in jail for 2 yrs. were convited of the crime and then they were subjected to what you propose? yes sexual assualt is a major fuckin problem right now, and i fully agree something more than what's happening now drasticly needs to be done, but what most are suggesting is just plain out barbaric and in-humane, and even if us did implement such laws, do you really think they'd take the time to specify which ones are deserving and which aren't? i don't think so, i think they'd just stick with the "under 18 and your fucked" law i've said it before in this topic and i'll say it again, maybe i'm just way more empathetic than most, but the whole idea of subjecting them to such punishment doesn't really seem logical, or sane for that matter. i can't really say much more than that about why it shouldn't be ok to do such things, since i can't (and have tried for the past 2 or 3 weeks) find an alternative to what they are recieving now. it's stastical fact that most that are "rehabillitated" aren't really that way (think it's something like 80% of them will re-offend) but that is still 20% of the people that were: incapable of making coherent discions due to any number of reasons, framed people or ones that decided they couldn't wait another few months to bang the neighbors daughter, or idiots who mad horrible choices, being subjected to such things. i just can't understand it i've put my self in the shoes of if a loved one commited such an act, and then recieved this type of punishment, and just to think how it'd feel if my brother became a forced std carrier to be tested on (like i said, i don't think they'd just stick it to dna evidence, i think they'd do it to anyone that pleades no contest, guilty or is convicted/ajudicated of such a crime)
the only proposal i could possibly think of, just wouldn't work. send them all to their own island, basicly like a giant prison, and force all to wear tracking devices to ensure they don't escape. well i guess noone here really sees it the way i do
-
WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THESE CHILD M0LETERS/KILLERS
Or that 20% could be the 20% that don't get CAUGHT a second time. Or they could die before they do it again. Or the police could be watching them too close. And perhaps 2% of em were the guys who were 19 and fucked a 17 year old, or the ones that got framed or something.
Sure, some of the proposals made here have been barbaric, but I think we'd only want to apply those to open and shut cases. AKA - Mom walks in on dad humping 4 year old, 4 year old points at dad and points to where dad touched her with weiner, dad cries in court of embarassment, etc.
There's always amsterdams proposal. 25 years mandatory, tracking device the rest of their lives. Certainly not barbaric, and certainly not too harsh. And our government even currently recognizes the severity of sexual crimes. Thats why the guy who rapes a 20 year oldl will get less time then the guy who rapes a 7 year old while simotaneously cutting her with shards of glass. And they will BOTH get more time then the 19 year old who fucks his 17 year old highschool sweetheart of 5 years.
I like the island idea though. I can see alot of reality tv show opportunities with it, ya feelin' me?
PS - If a loved one committed one of those acts, one of the really bad ones ((not like having sex with a chick a couple months under the legal age)) they lose their status as a loved one. -shrugs-