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US Seals 'got too close to bin Laden'
exactly...In Afganistan....where george Bush pulled out troops and sent them to Iraq...He has just prolonged Bin ladens capture...
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02
Admit it our leadership SUCKS.
Our leadership doesn't suck; that was Monica's job! OOOPS! Clinton years...SORRY!!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BlueCat
I'm not opposing aid. I'm wondering how you justify the terrorism you support.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
You call that aid? I think I justified taking Saddam out already. Like I said before; Genocide on the Iraqi Kurds, Shi'ites, raping of school girls, paying families of martyrs. Oh yah, it wasn't sanctioned by the U.N. like Kosevo so we should have backed off and let France, Germany, Russia, and China reap rewards of dirty politics. Sorry about that! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ermitonto
Ahem...genocide on the kurds....where did Sadam get the gas he use on the Kurds?
Don't know.....George Bush? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueCat
I thought Chemical Ali headed up that program?
Found it!
Historically, the Iraqi regime has a well- documented history of WMDs. Iraq started its offensive bioweapons program in the mid-1970s. Unwittingly, the United States supplied Iraq with seed stocks for bioweapons until 1989. Nonetheless, in 1990 Iraq was still able to buy 40 top-of-the-line ??aerosol generators? from an Italian company. Each was capable of dispersing 800 gallons of bio or chemical agent per hour.
http://www.today.ucla.edu/2003/030408whatsonmymind.html
Damn Italians!!!
UNDER the successive presidencies of Ronald Reagan and George Bush, the USA sold nuclear, chemical and biological weapons technology to Saddam Hussein. - In the early 1990s, UN inspectors told the US Senate committee on banking, housing and urban affairs ?? which oversees American export policy ?? that they had ??identified many US-manufactured items exported pursuant of licences issued by the US department of commerce that were used to further Iraq??s chemical and nuclear weapons development and missile delivery system development programs?......
It was just before Christmas 1983 that Donald Rumsfeld, then US presidential envoy to Iraq, slipped quietly into Baghdad to come face to face with the man who would become one of America??s greatest enemies within two decades.
Saddam has been accused of using WMD's against the Kurds at Halabja during the 1980's. Few could defend his innocence, but so many are willing to ignore the guilt of the U.S. on this matter it was the U.S. who sold the chemical and biological weapons to Iraq then, so "[i]t would...include Donald Rumsfeld explaining about his meetings with Saddam in the early eighties" about "the chemical and biological weapons sold by the US to Iraq...There is ample evidence the US both sold Iraq the chemicals used and even advised which were the most `effective.´" :eek:
Dow chemical BTW has made a fortune....selling death chemicals...and who owns the most Dow stock? hmmmm I wonder.
Seed stocks...lmao wow that makes it sound better. Politicians are assholes....
That pretty well sums it up! Damn!!! We agree again? This is becoming a trend!!!LOL :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BlueCat
Right, we can agree that Saddam is a bad leader, a despicable person even. (Just like our own leader, by the way. We need to stop pretending we have the answer to every oppressive regime. Half the time when we get out of a country a more oppressive leader is put in than before. Look at Chile or Nicaragua.) BUT, where do we get off terrorizing the Iraqi populace by bombing their water and power supplies for tolerating a bad leader? And why do any of the other countries with oppressive, malevolent regimes (Myanmar? Libya? Saudi Arabia? Cuba? Vietnam? Nepal? Where was the US army during apartheid?), not deserve the same fate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
If we want to instill democracy in the world, let's start by getting rid of our terrorist leaders here at home. Bush and the PNAC started this "War On Terrorism" knowing it could justify military intervention indefinitely, and that it doesn't even matter to the unthinking masses that WE OURSELVES are engaging in terrorism in the process. They're never going to declare the war over. Just like the War On Drugs, they know since what they're supposedly fighting is an abstract concept they will never have to stop the war by achieving victory, and they can use it as an excuse to accumulate more and more power and money as long as they want. They don't care about stopping the killing of innocent civilians. Otherwise, they wouldn't be dehumanizing and insulting the dead victims of American terrorism with the term "collateral damage". It's no coincidence Haliburton is making a fortune off this war, you know.
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Originally Posted by ermitonto
where do we get off terrorizing the Iraqi populace by bombing their water and power supplies for tolerating a bad leader?
You tolerate a cold, crying child, speeding ticket.... Having the threat of being put into a torture room and possibly watching your wife raped and children killed for speaking against the government is not tolerating a situation.
And why do any of the other countries with oppressive, malevolent regimes (Myanmar? Libya? Saudi Arabia? Cuba? Vietnam? Nepal?
Are they consistantly breaking U.N. resolutions? If so, maybe it's a future plan...I surely don't know. :confused:
Bush and the PNAC started this "War On Terrorism"
Don't tell me your one of the believers that the WTC was brought down by our own. I think Osama had a big part of this war on terror.
they wouldn't be dehumanizing and insulting the dead victims of American terrorism with the term "collateral damage".
Number one, war is hell. Innocent people die, expecially when used for human shields. Number two, why is this "American Terrorism"? Heres a list of the first allied forces:
USA, United Kingdom, South Korea, Italy, Poland, Ukraine, Georgia, Romania, Australia, Netherlands, Japan, Denmark, Bulgaria, El Salvador, Mongolia, Azerbaijan, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Albania, Estonia,Macedonia, Kazakhstan, Norway, Angola, Colombia, Costa Rica,Dominican Republic, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, Kuwait, Micronesia, Moldova, Nicaragua, Philippines, Portugal, Rwanda, Singapore, Solomon Islands, Spain, Thailand, Tonga, Uganda, and Uzbekistan.
Haliburton is making a fortune off this war,
Right along with every oil producing nation in this world that used the war to jack the price of oil from $26/bl to over $60/bl.
keep in mind erminito also thinks he can just pack up and move to holland because he wants too.
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Originally Posted by amsterdam
lol.
why cant he though.
its kinda strict.
oh. yeh i can imagine. all that "legal" pot...
no,it really is strict now.
people just cant move to the netherlands,they must have a college degree in a buisness that benefits the dutch people and a job to go with it.
a person cannot just say i want to live in holland because i like the laws there.they would be laughed at and told to go home.you can travel and stay there for awhile but you cant just move there.
I think that's pretty much alot of countries. at least i know thats how it is in canada except if your seeking refugee status or something...Quote:
Originally Posted by amsterdam
you guys are gonna pay for that soon im sure.
ii saw an article on how canada has given safe haven to over a hundred on the watch list terrorists.good luck with that.
Welcome to Citizenship and Immigration Canada
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.html
I guess this is everything you need to know to become a Canadian. :D
they will get their wake up soon enough.
but why would terrorist s bomb a country that doesnt discriminate against their ethnicity and actually harbours them? it wouldnt make sense to bomb the city and have the american gov. right next door come down on them
and the 'terrorists' never go after any of the people they're targeting...
they go after working class, mass transit systems, public centers...which are then used to justify more cameras that won't keep people safe and national id cards that won't keep people safe.
and eventually we'll have troops in the streets and stores searching us and keeping us safe. this has been practiced in san antonio, alabama, and corpus christi and no doubt across the country. they'll have active duty marines or army cordoning off stadiums for sports events or festivals and they'll search people.
this is not freedom!!! do i even have to say that this is not freedom? it's like watching old videos of nazi germany with the citizens being searched before getting on trains...
if the terrorists hate freedom...then our governments must hate it too, even more, because they're the ones actively legislating the freedom away.
because it has nothing to with that,holy shit.they dont give a shit about that,my god are you kidding me??all they want to kill is the way of life and freedom we have.bring panick to all those countries.it wouldnt matter if the iraq war didnt happen,it would happen if afghanistan didnt happen.usually i can respect what you say nick but that was ridiculous.
canada could sever all ties with the united states and still be a target.
i dont think that's true amsterdam.
i think its our close ties with the united states that makes us such a big target. dont forget alot of islamists hate america because americans have a habit of telling other people how to live their lives.
thats some funny shit.
i wonder what would happen to a buddhist monk if they tried to talk peace with zarqawi?they would saw his head off with a pocket knife and film it.you had better wake up my friend and see this jihad they have started isnt against the united states.it is against democracy,freedom of religon,freedom of speech.america is viewed world wide as the champion of these things and the richest,most powerful nation on the planet.a good target that would get attention.
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Originally Posted by amsterdam
youre making good points...but dont forget that zarqawi is an extreme fundamentalist. he's no different than some crazy christian blowing up an abortion clinic.
i didnt know zarqawi was an iraqi... :rolleyes: