That's because you reject the facts outright.Quote:
Originally Posted by amsterdam
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That's because you reject the facts outright.Quote:
Originally Posted by amsterdam
i agree, i think someone trying to convince someone else to be christian and not listening to the word "no" is having a closed mind, not ever questioning this god you so believe in is having a closed mind. i'm so tired of hearing about god, god this god that...if we aren't for god then we're going to hell (as stated before, being judged which is not anyone's place christian or not) and i think it's kinda funny that you can break these 10 rules he said to NEVER break and you can go make it up two days outta the week sitting in a clothes fashion show (becasue that's all church is, just a place to show off who has the more "spirit" [speaking tounges is quite the stuipdest thing i've ever heard...look i'm christian i can do it too lafkjdlfkjasodifweofnalsdhlfdnln, there i don't know what i said but it doesn't matter cuz i know it was good cuz the holy spirit made me do it] and nicer clothes...) begging for forgiveness.....the whole book just seems to perferct and fabricated...in my theory the bible was written a long time ago to try and control mankind, perhaps to kill out some of the crime that was going on back then, for whatever reason i don't know, but that damned book was written by man and no one else...god didn't come down with a feather and some ink and start jotting down how he wants to see the world (and even if he did, he wouldn't see it how he wanted since he "gave" us free choice)Quote:
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Originally Posted by Torog
well of course the longer you live the more "unexplainable" things you are going to experience....that's not nessicarily god (notice i'm not saying it's absolutely not, becasue honestly i don't know) that could just as easily be facts, physics, and probability
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Originally Posted by amsterdam
not at all?i just dont care at all.i believe in god,if you dont like it,to bad.my kids are gonna be raised in the church and go to private catholic school so they can kill fags and hate muslims.thats a joke for all you sensitive pussies out there.cry me a river.
prove there is no god.you cant do it.nothing but worthless opinions that show nada.religon will always be here and there is nothing yopu or anyone else can do about it.get over it.
[/QUOTE]prove there is no god.you cant do it.nothing but worthless opinions that show nada[QUOTE]
So true - Disprove it people.....you cant ..........Personally I am a believer and like amsterdam said "If you don`t like it,too bad"..
We will all see in the end..
It's funny how every single debate with you ends the same way... "I do what I want, get over it" You should trademark that.Quote:
Originally Posted by amsterdam
The point isnt to try to prove that God doesnt exist-its to try to disprove or call into question or show the contradiction in every other claim about God that people commonly refer to. Like, for example, How is he a benevolent God? Theres a million other questions that you can ask about "God", and they wont have answers for all them. Eventually, they'll see that agnosticism, or better yet, atheism, is the way to go. :) Well, they probably wont, but it doesnt hurt to try
I don't think atheism is better, nor is agnosticism, nor is any other religion. I think people should be free to believe in whatever they like, and no religion is superior to another. Each one, in its own way, contributes a piece of the ultimate Truth. We'll probably never be able to put all the pieces together, but I think it's important to realize that there is a universal Truth out there, whether you want to call it God, Allah, Nirvana, Brahma, is your business. But when you get down to studying religions comparatively, you'll realize how similar they all are in the end, with minor, yet crucial differences, that stem not from the religion itself, but rather from the culture in which the religion evolved.
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Originally Posted by Mojavpa
wishfull thinking. :rolleyes:
When u think about it....
Something came from something...
and that something came from something else...
You can keep going and going but eventually realizing that a greater power had to have put that somethign there...
Prolly dont make sense to u guys but in my own Little world it does...
and about the hypocritcal bullshit...
If a christian belives in god and says yor wrong for not beliving in god... how is that hypocritical...
a hypocrit is someone who Bitches at you for something he does...
Done
I don't see the Universe coming out of nothing any less probably than a god coming out of nothing.
lol dude flesh i just read those exchange of words and you were owned dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by F L E S H
Blind faith never ceases to amaze me. Question religion; think about what you're really accomplishing. Religion was created to explain things that people couldn't understand and give people a rudimentary set of morals. Why do bad things happen to good people? Surely, God cannot let anything happen to his followers. But we all know how that is. Without religion we'd be living in anarchy. That's why I think a group of people made up this incredible story of the Bible: just so people wouldn't run around killing each other, fucking their friends' wives, or stealing. It's pretty much common sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruiser
Sorry, mistake post
Theres no reason for any one to do anything realy. Acording to every religion (that i know of)the ultimate goal is to die and go to his/her god. So why would we have a will to live if if our only goal was to be with our creator (if there is one). Wouldn't you just want to die faster.
And thats my 2 cents.
Except Buddhism, Shinto, and I think Wicca (though i'm not sure about wicca).Quote:
Originally Posted by stothelutz
Way i see it Man created god in his/her head. not the other way around...
to me "god" IS the entire universe, not a being, just the entire universe, that is what i worship
i believe there is a god, and he put us here to worship him and spread his word. he gives us signs all the time, but if you don't know what to look for then it might be harder to see and believe. if there wasn't a god then how else does everything get here. i don't think that everything is based off one cell, like the theory of evolution says. i'm not saying that one religion is right and all others are wrong, but i do believe there is a god and one day everyone will see and those who don't believe will still be punished. now i don't hold religion against anyone whether they believe or not, because thats them. i judge people on who they are, not what they believe. so therefore i hope no one holds it against me, that i believe in god. that's just my opinion.
How can you not believe in God? Look outside and see the world or better yet just look at your own body. How could something as complex as the human body with the brain the organs all working together so perfectly? Just look at how compicated child birth is from conception to birth. Also how could one have morals outside of the bible. The bible itself is a proven book with 1000s of years of history and not one error is found in the bible despite its many authers over a long range of years. How could live have evolved from simple matter, how could matter have evolved from nothing how did the nothing get here? To not believe a God created the universe and the life within it is simply illogical.
Im sorry I don't buy it, if someone wants to try to convince me God is real go ahead I will listen but really I don't see it happening. I wrote this post to try to get my self to see from that perspective but for me it is just a bunch of closed minded arguments.
nero you contradicted yourself because in the beginning you said, "how can you not believe in God?" and in the end you said, "im sorry i don't buy it, if someone wants to try to convince me God is real go ahead i will listen but really i don't see it happening." Just out of curiousety, do you believe in God or don't you. personally i do but like i said before, i don't hold religion against people. half of my friends don't believe. we stay friends because we just don't talk about it.
Are 2 of your personalities having a debate, Nero?Quote:
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There are a ton of errors in the bible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nero
http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...adictions.html
And the human body is the product of millions of years of evolution.
"Once people get hung up on theology, they've lost sanity forever. More people have been killed in the name of Jesus Christ than any other name in the history of the world." Gore Vidal
The creation of anti-matter proves that something can be made out of nothing because that is exactly what we have accomplished.
There are two types of matter.
The 1st being the obvious, everything is made of matter in our every day world.
The 2nd your anti-matter, which was believed to be out of our reach in the universe, now however has been created by scientists.
When anti-matter and matter touch in anyway, it's way way way worse then any nuclear explosion.
However this basically proves that "God" is energy, the energy that connects everything.
Well I guess it would take a lot more to explain it, however this is all I can do at the moment :)
I highly recommend everyone see What The Bleep Do We Know that hasn't already
we've harnessed anti-matter eh?.......... (source?)
God existed man simply because he wanted to see a creation flourish that had free will. A creation that could survive on its own merit, think for itself, choose to believe and worship God, or choose not to. I don't have any other explanation as to WHY God created man.
In God's eyes, humanity is perfection. We have to right to choose our lives, live them, and die at the end of them. That is why Lucifer was so angry. God loved the race of men more than He loved the angels, the ones who carried out His every order, and they had to love Him. Lucifer thought we were weak and pitiful because we weren't as powerful as angels. He wanted God to love them more, and when God didn't, he thought that God Himself was weak. That he was better than God. So he rebelled, and some angels fought with him. They were exiled into what was first referred to as the Darkness. It was just a fiery ring and when the exiled were cast into it, when they first landed, it was dark. Then the flames roiled and burst from the ground, and Lucifer, the bearer of light, became known as Satan, the Deceiver.
Now, I'm a very religious person, by my standards. Smoking marijuana has only increased my faith in God and my spirituality. I believe that any person no matter what they have done in their life can go to Heaven. All they have to do is pray and ask for God to forgive them, and truly mean it. I don't believe that people go to hell just for having a different religion, though. I think that anyone can go to heaven, if they're a good person in life. Of course, that requires me to go onto why I'm not a Christian. Christians believe that people who don't believe in Christ, go to hell. That people who do not even know the word of God, go to hell. I don't think God is that cruel. Live a good life, and you'll go to heaven.
Another big reason why I can't be called a Christian is because I don't believe in creation the way the Bible says. I believe that God created humans, but that he had us evolve from a single celled organism. That he is the one that put that one-celled amoeba into the ectoplasmic soup that, ultimately, created us.
I'm sure no one has really heard this belief, but ya know...its my believe.
By the way, the reason why NONE of ANY of your questions can be answered is because its FAITH. The word alone should say it all. You believe or you don't. Every person has their own belief, even if their belief is that they don't believe. Its faith, man. Get with it. lol
Mr.Devious
I wouldn't exactly say "harnessed" , in that it cannot yet be safely adapted for use.
They've created particals of it. Which is about all they can do at this time, considering the danger of creating large amounts. And it would need to be kept from touching any matter whatsoever, which since everything is made of matter is quite a feet to say the least.
My source is actually from a book I read, I know your not suppose to be believe everything you read but he is a very credible author and also I did some research regarding it to get more information.
The book is entitled 'Angels & Demons' by Dan Brown
It is an exceptional read it your into books at all and very enlighting. He uses alot of facts.
The people who have succeeded in this are located in Switzerland. We like to think of the US as ahead on all this type of stuff but were not. Infact I believe that the US was working on creating a machine to create Anti-Matter but the project got pulled.
The organiztion is called CERN-Conseil Europeen pour la Recherche Nucleaire
"Antimatter is the most powerful source known to man. It releases energy with 100 percent efficiency(nuclear fission is 1.5 percent efficient). Antimatter
creates no pollution or radiation, and a droplet could power New York City for a full day.
There is however one catch.
Antimatter is highly unstable, it ignites when it comes into contact with absolutely anything, even air. A single gram of antimatter contains the energy of a 20-Kiloton nuclear bomb-the size of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima."
I know this seems a little off topic of the orginal thread, but what this means for science and religion is a complete break through.
And even though CERN has created particles of it, they have developed the technology-Antiproton Decelerator-which has the capability to create antimatter in large quantities. Who knows, maybe they have already created large quantities.
Now even though this is an amazing step forward for us, it also raises the serious question of,
Will it be used solely for the good of humankind or will it fall into the wrong hands and become the most deadly weapon ever made?
Sorry if I've bored you all. I find it fascinating.
1. Evolution has the key part that creationism doesnt.....Evidence.....(please dont quote apologetic's websites as they've never used confirmed science....gee I wonder why....)
2. Weedracer you contradicted yourself several times with your proclamations of our impending punishment(while claiming you dont judge...) by a fairy tale character made up of an amalgam of every major "white" religion in history.....Fluffy white robe beard....It's not god its Zeus...No Wait It's Odin.....Oh wait wasnt Ragnarok supposed to have already happened? My bad.
Hopefully logic will pull you through that post and you'll understand what exactly in your post I was referring too. ;)
Okay guys, I'm so effing high, but I think I've got the answer... Okay... things which exist today had to have had a beginning right? matter, time, the universe. So God must have a beginning ergo a creator... BUT God created, along with matter , and the universe also created time... So before that, things wouldn't be able to be measured temporally, because time just didn't exist.
And another thing... If God is infinite, then God is infinitely old, but God is also infinitely young.
lol man i'm not sure if any of that shit makes sense.
er so i mean God wouldn't have a creator because got wouldn't have a beginning, because beginnings wouldn't exist, because time hadn't been invented yet.
Who named God?
Not his name, but God, who called him "God"?
Would it be Mary's grandmother?
Yeah, here's my son...God.
huh?
If you really don't believe in God, go see somebody who's met him. I've been 100% convinced of God's existance. You may call it blind faith, but its not. The proof is all around you. You may say science contradicts God, but who created physics, evolution, etc?
Also, I found this tidbit on how it's been scientificly proven that God exists. I never read the whole thing but its rather interesting. It even shows how molecular structures are so perfect that only God, or a very intelligent being created the universe.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologe...eismintro.html
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Now that I think about it, everyone here should be 100% convinced in God's existance.
FOR ONLY GOD CAN CREATE A PLANT SO BEAUTIFUL AND LOVING FOR THE HUMAN RACE, AND ALL OF EXISTANCE TO UTILIZE AND LOVE BACK.
If Mary is Jesus's Mother and he's the Son of God, then Mary's grandmother, okay, it would've been Jesus' Grandmother. Thanks for the note , Spirit (I had a band in high school called Spiritual Exposure).
ya "god" exist... theres definatly a higher energy out there....but "god" as far as religion goes, does not exist...
and jesus is not "gods" son, tho a brilliant man with a unique and good outlook on life...
i believe we are "god" our spirits... everyone of us is made of energy....this energy affects everything we do, and even the Universe..." study was done that predicted that Washington,(highest murder rate in the country) would have a significant drop in crime over the summer.. due to 4,000 people from all over the world meditating in the same place, in washington.. The police Chief said that the only way crime would stop over the summer would be 3 feet of snow...crime lowerd by 23%..
http://www.alltm.org/pages/crime-arrested.html
there's too many contradictions for "god" in the eyes of religion to be true and real..
the universe didn't just pop out of no where for no reason, but a man with a white beard sitten up in heaven sure as hell didnt create it..
Yah, that person would be Jesus' grandmother.
I believe that Jesus is God's son. Sometimes what that means varies for me, but I do believe that all people are daughters and sons of God.