Your figures on Clinton's debt plan are pretty off, but you have the right idea. It still would've taken a decade, if not longer, to break even. But we were on the right track.
Yeah, I guess life is rough now.
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Your figures on Clinton's debt plan are pretty off, but you have the right idea. It still would've taken a decade, if not longer, to break even. But we were on the right track.
Yeah, I guess life is rough now.
clinton??hahaha.i wont even touch that.
Ya, sry, i wasnt too sure bout the year. But im almost positive that my deficit numbers were correct, if not, pretty dam close. Shoulda looked it up first, lol.
Life is shitty, lol, jk!
im just not a doom and gloom kinda guy.
yeh you're just a flair without a care for anyone else as long as you're living pretty well kinda guy.
I don't think of myself as a "doom and gloom" kinda guy, but I can understand how it could be seen that way. This president scares me and I guess that comes out in how I address these issues.
I don't have a problem with him as a person, I don't know the guy. I just see that he approaches issues from an ideological standpoint rather than one based on fact. And the man has no give whatsoever. It's his way or no way. That kind of boldness can be respected given the right circumstances. But if you're only trying to appease a certain segment of your party base or trying to advance an ideological agenda with little regard to well-established contrary fact, the unwillingness to bend is super dangerous.
That scares the shit out of me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...
this comes to mind:
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I did not speak out
because I was not a communist.
When they came for the social democrats,
I did not speak out
because I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists
I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews
I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew;
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
Apathy is lethal.
lets roll.
Howdy amsterdam,Quote:
Originally Posted by amsterdam
Sounds like a plan to me !
Have a good one !
seriously,america is involved in a ruthless war that is going to take a while.we are gonna kill and maim alot of people,some of whom are innocent.thats war.we are gonna kill anyone who tries to stop us.
lol, u sound like a terrorist man, "we are gonna kill anyone who tries to stop us". Thats probably why no one likes america, cuz we wanna go kill everybody for not thinkin like us. Terrorist's i can understand, but if you wanna go attacking Iran and North Korea because they oppose america, get ready for a shit storm of missiles.
Republicans are trying to use the "nuclear option" to seize absolute power and we all know the saying absolute power corrupts absolutely. They will appoint judges who will roll back years of progression protecting the people that keep this country running,the workers. Judge Janice brown is just one example with her extremist judicial philosophy that calls for courts to block congress in blocking things like guaranteed 40 hour work week,the minimum wage,The Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act and the Endangered Species Act. These judges have no regard to the future of our children, the middle class or the poor. We all know the nuclear option is a trick to eliminate the filibuster.One of the main arguments used by Bill cat killer Frist (google it) and other conservatives about employing the nuclear option to eliminate the filibuster of judicial nominees is that the Democratic use of the filibuster to oppose judicial nominations is unprecedented. He has called the use of the filibuster to oppose judicial nominees dangerous and radical. On his own website, there is a text of a speech he gave to the Federalist Society on November 11, 2004, where he said:
The Senate now faces a choice: either we accept a new and destructive practice, or we act to restore constitutional balance.
C. Boyden Gray, Chairman of the Committee for Justice, believes that the liberal's use of the filibuster to block judges violates the "constitutional principle of Separation of Powers. The Constitution grants the Executive primary power over judicial appointments while granting the Senate, as a body--not partisan factions within it--a check via majority vote. By altering that standard, the Senate Democrats are, in effect, arrogating power to the Senate from the Executive."
According to Gray, the liberal filibuster of judicial nominees "is absolutely unprecedented. Its history is two years old."
This is, simply put, A LIE. They are liars and they tells lies so much they think we are all dumb enough to believe them...well, are you?
On March 8, 2000, thirteen Senators, all of whom were Republicans, attempted to filibuster Marsha Berzon for U.S. Circuit judge. You can read the roll call vote right here. Eight of these Senators are currently in the United States Senate: Allard (CO), Brownback (KS), Bunning (KY), Craig (ID), DeWine (OH), Enzi (WY), Inhofe (OK) and Shelby (AL). None of these eight have expressed opposition to the elimination of judicial filibusters, a practice they themselves once tried to engage in. Later that same day, those same thirteen Senators, in addition to Senator Bill Frist, attempted to filibuster the nomination of Richard Paez to US Circuit Judge.
Conservatives know that there is a history of attempting to block judicial nominations through the use of the filibuster. They know this because some of them participated in such attempts. Bill Frist participated in one such attempt.
For Republicans, the real principle behind the attempt to destroy the filibuster for judicial nominees has nothing to do with the Constitution, it only has to do with winning and losing. It is, in short, a power grab. To control it all then they can fuck the future up for your kids....start wars to steal oil and kill off any animal if their habitat would make money...force their religion on others...take away your rights...have you read the Patriot act 2?
and this is for Amsterdam.....what has he done good? anything name it! oh and why aren't you over there fighting for your commander? and why is your name Amsterdam? You can fucking talk about killing people why aren't you there?
www.moveon.org please sign petition
thanks
Bluecat
if they provide support to terrorists than they are a target.i'm sure we already have a deep spy network and people are doing things we will never hear about to people that will never be seen again.i sleep better at night knowing that.
Republicans are trying to use the "nuclear option" to seize absolute power and we all know the saying absolute power corrupts absolutely. They will appoint judges who will roll back years of progression protecting the people that keep this country running,the workers. Judge Janice brown is just one example with her extremist judicial philosophy that calls for courts to block congress in blocking things like guaranteed 40 hour work week,the minimum wage,The Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act and the Endangered Species Act. These judges have no regard to the future of our children, the middle class or the poor. We all know the nuclear option is a trick to eliminate the filibuster.One of the main arguments used by Bill cat killer Frist (google it) and other conservatives about employing the nuclear option to eliminate the filibuster of judicial nominees is that the Democratic use of the filibuster to oppose judicial nominations is unprecedented. He has called the use of the filibuster to oppose judicial nominees dangerous and radical. On his own website, there is a text of a speech he gave to the Federalist Society on November 11, 2004, where he said:
The Senate now faces a choice: either we accept a new and destructive practice, or we act to restore constitutional balance.
C. Boyden Gray, Chairman of the Committee for Justice, believes that the liberal's use of the filibuster to block judges violates the "constitutional principle of Separation of Powers. The Constitution grants the Executive primary power over judicial appointments while granting the Senate, as a body--not partisan factions within it--a check via majority vote. By altering that standard, the Senate Democrats are, in effect, arrogating power to the Senate from the Executive."
According to Gray, the liberal filibuster of judicial nominees "is absolutely unprecedented. Its history is two years old."
This is, simply put, A LIE. They are liars and they tells lies so much they think we are all dumb enough to believe them...well, are you?
On March 8, 2000, thirteen Senators, all of whom were Republicans, attempted to filibuster Marsha Berzon for U.S. Circuit judge. You can read the roll call vote right here. Eight of these Senators are currently in the United States Senate: Allard (CO), Brownback (KS), Bunning (KY), Craig (ID), DeWine (OH), Enzi (WY), Inhofe (OK) and Shelby (AL). None of these eight have expressed opposition to the elimination of judicial filibusters, a practice they themselves once tried to engage in. Later that same day, those same thirteen Senators, in addition to Senator Bill Frist, attempted to filibuster the nomination of Richard Paez to US Circuit Judge.
Conservatives know that there is a history of attempting to block judicial nominations through the use of the filibuster. They know this because some of them participated in such attempts. Bill Frist participated in one such attempt.
For Republicans, the real principle behind the attempt to destroy the filibuster for judicial nominees has nothing to do with the Constitution, it only has to do with winning and losing. It is, in short, a power grab. To control it all then they can fuck the future up for your kids....start wars to steal oil and kill off any animal if their habitat would make money...force their religion on others...take away your rights...have you read the Patriot act 2?
and this is for Amsterdam.....what has he done good? anything name it! oh and why aren't you over there fighting for your commander? and why is your name Amsterdam?
www.moveon.org please sign petition
thanks
Bluecat
Bush-Clinton: What Went Wrong?
http://www.cato.org/dailys/11-13-96.html
alot of that stuff is wasted money anyway.
well you are finally right.....there are people doing things we never hear about..they are called the CIA thanks to Gonzale and his new torture laws that protect us from getting in trouble.... they are kidknapping people they assume are quilty taking them to other countries like Saudi and torturing them.....then they say oh we did not know they would do that.... :rolleyes: That is against the Geneva Convention and international law but then you probably don't support either of those entities as well because Bush doesn't and he has you sheep well trained. BaaaaaaaaaaaQuote:
Originally Posted by amsterdam
How good could you sleep at night if it were one of your family over in Iraq?
I notice you did not give me an answer...what has Bush done for you...since after all it is YOU that matters right?
Cat
and what about the formerly named school of the americas?
talk about harboring and training terrorists...
http://www.soaw.org/new/
Anybody else getting bored of this same argument over and over?
evidently NOT the bombs are still going off...I'll shut up when the troops are home but I will take it else where :rolleyes: ....hmmmmm so guess what? i got a new kitten :D .....can you post photos on this message board?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stedric
Cat
What I meant was this is another variant of the Republican/Liberal Pinko Commie argument.
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Originally Posted by BlueCat
first and most importantly,the geneva convention DOES NOT APPLY TO THESE PEOPLE WETHER YOU WANT IT TO OR NOT.
my 20 year old cousin terry from new york is in iraq?he loves it there.the guy is a trained killer and im glad we have people like him there.
i could care less where we send people.i could care less what we do to those people.
you should be one of those funny human shields.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueCat
pracilla owen to get a vote today!!you scared yet?hahahahawe are coming for you.
its a red country kiddo's.
Strange.....the color of communism.....yes it suits you
communism??what the hell are you talking about??its a red country because only people in new york and LA and a few places in the midwest vote for dems any more.
thats the real problem Ammy you don't know what I am talking about....who just bought out our highest technology (lucent), who is buying up about everthing in our country....Who owns BANK OF AMERICA? Find me something in Walmart that is MADE IN AMERICA....
whhere did all american textiles companies jusr move to? You don't have a clue....
why is this OK...as far as the gov. goes because the BUSH 2% are going to make money on the cheap labor they get by moving to China, The US will get cheap goods but won't have a job to make the money to buy them with....In the mean time they could economically crush our country...They even said so when they were pissed off about the US going to start selling weapons to Japan again....you should go read the Xinhua News sometimes...it is pretty interesting... Bush has got everyone watching everything but what they should be....smoke and mirrors, Ammy.....your a true red. Enjoy it while you can...
have you seen the lines of people in those countries of people looking for work?the jobs pay really good for those folks.
Jobs pay really good huh?? I jus read that the overseas jobs dont get paid half wat they do here. They are waiting in line because they are desperate for work, they dont care about the shitty pay. Why do u think the countries send jobs overseas? Ill tell you, because they pay WAY less, and most of the workers are better qualified than american workers. So they get better workers, for a much cheaper price. Really good pay, lmao, they make like 11,000 a year, that must be awesome!! Really good pay is like an 80K salary, but thats my opinion. Where do u get your information from "amsterdam", or do u just make it up?
i've never once seem him post a link to anything.
He must have the same information source as GW, lol. Once all the liberals prove him wrong, he'll say "my information was faulty", or some other lame bs. It seems like he reads something, and then completely changes it around, most likely intentional too. Republicans literally have NO common sense, and they have the most adverse stereotypes ever, its insane. Its like they have no brains, which correlates with the inability to think maturely, and indepedently.
Poor Ammy the more I read your posts the more I feel sorry for you...You might try turning off the PC and watching C-span a few nights....Our country is approaching rubicon, economically. There will be no fixing it if people don't stop watching the smoke screens and wake up....NAM was just on last night saying the Chinese are faking the value of their money to keep things cheaper than ANYONE can build them. THey are building AT COST and below...the WTO agreements are not being inforced and our country is shutting down How old are you? If are you an old man this out of touch... our country really is fucked. I hope young people are paying attention it is all that will save us.
Quote:
Originally Posted by sensiskunk
still,they pay more.
i'm not even a liberal, he's just basically your typical citizen of an empire, blind to everything but the left/right world he's had thrown in his face since he was born.
it takes form over substance.
i hear nothing when it comes out weeks later when whatever the government said a few weeks ago to boost everyone's love for war turns out to be false...we caught this #2 guy! look! there he is...see! we're making progress!
a few weeks later, oh he was some tinpot loser who couldn't even light his shoe on fire...then people don't care. they still act like what they were first told is true...
pat tillman died bravely in battle fighting terrorists! whoa! he was actually on the tail of bin laden himself!
oh shit, sorry, we lied, he was shot by another friendly soldier. oops. they milk the lies for all they're worth, knowing they're telling lies, then reveal later it was a lie...and no one cares.
that, along with coming out ahead of a story, focusing on some minute issue, use the buzzwords conspiracy theory to reinforce in peoples' minds that there's no way the loving government would lie...then they discredit any real information about whatever they were talking about.
FOX and CNN do this, it caters to both sides.
this is called doublethink, and our government didn't invent it. it's also called propaganda, and governments using this sophisticated level of propaganda as ours, after thousands of years of perfecting it...should be a great cause for concern...it never ends in more freedom.
it's not even that sophisticated, just effective.
i can't stress enough how hard and fast this constitutional republic is dying...things have happened so incrementally...look at the level of control and loss of overall privacy we've had in 50 years...the same companies and families in power that funded and aided some of the most vicious recent dictators, are helping along our new freedom.
America will be a third world dictatorship in 20 years.
I completely agree with you BlueCat, it is really up to us young ppl to get involved. We are the ones that are gonna suffer because of whats happening now. Im only 18, and im scared of what is to come of the US. My whole family is concerned, and if things get worse, which im sure it will, we are planning to move to europe. Seems only the democrats REALLY care about this country, because we are actually adressing the real issues, ie: environment, health care, economy, homeland security etc... If you really cared about this country, you would question GW's leadership, and congress's ability to do the right thing for the younger generation, which is what US stands for rite? How can there be an "American Dream", when congress is destroying this country. The ability to question and fight wrong and indecisive decisions is true patriotism!
LMFAO, i love this guy!Quote:
Originally Posted by amsterdam
your an idiot if you believe that silly bullshit your head is filled with.how do you even respond to something so far out there.seek help pisshead.it appears you have gone from a right wing nut to a total quack.believe me,i know the govt. is fucked up,but you take things to a boring place.we arent going anywhere,that should really scare you.america is gonna be here for a long,long,long, time.enough time to really fuck shit up!hohohohohahahahaha!!
you have nothing to worry about, you're a mindless boot licker...as long as you go along with the system, you'll be fine.
i know though you'll one day realize what system it is you're serving.
what i said was not unprecedented in history.
Letā??s remember the words of Russian dissident Solzhenitsyn, writing in The Gulag Archipelago:
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?
The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalinā??s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"
pick up a history book, unless you're one of those "it could never happen here" people.
i promise i am not a "it cant happen person",but "it isnt happening."