there were a bunch.
why is it hard to believe that none of it bothered me?
those people dont fight in a uniform or for any commander.thats their fault.let the games begin
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there were a bunch.
why is it hard to believe that none of it bothered me?
those people dont fight in a uniform or for any commander.thats their fault.let the games begin
when we start dipping people in acid,let me know.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4894001/
i'm not talking about saddam. as if mentioning what saddam did means the army is incapable of doing anything wrong. that's some faulty logic there.
i can't stand the UN. if bush were a true conservative, he wouldn't be picking ambassadors and the fake left wouldn't be arguing with the fake right, he'd be compelling congress to present legislation to get rid of it, and stop all funding to it, like ron paul has, a true conservative.
bush loves the UN as much as any liberal does. he's certainly doing nothing to fight it or stop it, as he signed back onto UNESCO, teaching our kids to be good global citizens while handing over control of some national parks to the UN as well.
the UN has done horrible things, the US has done horrible things, saddam has done horrible things, dictators do horrible things.
i like to look at what's happening in my own country before i start pointing fingers at others.
while i'm at it, here's a massive archive of torture stuff.
http://www.infowars.com/print/iraq/newer_photos.htm
amsterdam will form his opinion in minutes, i suggest others take time to go through the dozens and dozens and dozens of links.
8. (U) In addition, several detainees also described the following acts of abuse, which under the circumstances, I find credible based on the clarity of their statements and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses (ANNEX 26) :
a. (U) Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees;
b. (U) Threatening detainees with a charged 9mm pistol;
c. (U) Pouring cold water on naked detainees;
d. (U) Beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair;
e. (U) Threatening male detainees with rape;
f. (U) Allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell;
g. (U) Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick.
h. (U) Using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee.
9. (U) I have carefully considered the statements provided by the following detainees, which under the circumstances I find credible based on the clarity of their statements and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses:
none of you motherfuckers can even talk about this shit...im tired of all of your bullshit excuses and fuckin consp theories!!! get off your fat asses and do something about it if you have such problems with it. but im sure pisshead and all his cronies are fucking pussies and would never stick their neck out by actually going to war for your country. in general fuck all of you for this completely uselsess argement you dont know what youre talking about, ask someone who was actually fucking there and you might change your fucking perspective. until then i lable all of you motherfuckers fucking dickless pussies.
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Originally Posted by pisshead
this is all OLD NEWS and the only part of any of that that would raise an eyebrow sodomizing .notice how it says "sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and PERHAPS a broom stick"clue #1 that its a bullshit story.
other than that how is any of that torture??
pouring cold water on a detainee???? ooooooooooooooooo!thats rough!
USING DOGS TO FRIGHTEN DETAINEES!! we cant scare them now!!fuck that pussy shit.
maybe we should start fighting with bb guns too??
wow, all you've got are words...i don't take much credence in your words.
and to makor01...what the hell am i supposed to do? what does one person to do stop an empire, when everyone else watches american idol and football? you think i'm alone, you're mistaken. i'm involved locally to stop what's happening to my city, and i'm just one of thousands in this city...someone who actually does give a shit what the local government and feds are doing.
open your god damn eyes. you act like it's a big conspiracy that governments often times in history become corrupt, and use propaganda to convince mass groups of people to accept whatever direction they take you in.
you're the one whose sitting on your ass doing nothing, thinking nothing bad will ever happen to me, i can just sit on my ass and let whoever do whatever to me.
so fuck you.
motherfucker i hope one day your fat ass gets drafted and you can see how the other half lives... youre a fucking coward plain and simple.
the other half already lives here, oh wise one. i don't care what's happening in iraq. it's not up to me to save other people from despotism, as the same thing happens here. if they want to not rise up and get rid of saddam, it's not up to me to do it either.
you're NOT the worlds' authority. learn how your own fucking country was founded.
take off your rose fucking glasses.
but you sure do web-sites like info-wars,prison planet,thememory hole.web-sites put together by 35 year olds who live in their parents basement.
i saw msnbc...and a dozen other mainstream worldwide publications...
you're saying infowars.com controls msnbc.com and every other news outlet in the world, including congress' own publications and congressional record?
what a conspiracy.
my country was founded by people like me who make a choice to fucking do something rather than sit here and fucking make up consp theories. I didnt take a fucking round in my gut to make inconsiderate fucking cowards like you safe from terror, i did it cause it weas my fucking job...just like everyother motherfuckter that is overthere right now that you are totally undermining. When i hear asshats like you talking all your SPEW it literrally makes me sick that were dying over there for FUCKs like you.
i support the troops more than you ever will.
i think they should come home. you want them to stay for an empire, because you actually believe we're spreading freedom.
have you read the declaration of independence? sounds like a fucking conspiracy theory to me.
unless you actually believe all the anti-british propaganda, and thought the founders weren't terrorists, by the definition in the patriot act, section 802, read it.
MORE THAN I EVER WILL.....MAN YOU ARE SOO WRONG THERE. THEYRE MY BROTHERS NOT YOURS YOU FUCKING WASTE OF AIR!!!!
still doesn't prove me wrong.
i won't argue that saddam is bad.
why is it your fucking job to police the world and do it for them?
sounds very liberal to me.
where in the happy little land of our world and our constitutional republic does it give anyone authority to fight the rest of the worlds' battles?
it's just plain naive to think that kind of power won't lead to corruption. when has that not happened in the world? you're saying all of history is a giant conspiracy theory, because that's what history is full of.
this would be the first time in thousands of years of history it didn't happen.
sounds liberal huh, ok man back to this round robin we call a "politics" board
in the end youre still nothing...hang on while i go dust off my purple heart and bronze star...and remember youre still a total nobody and will never be anything, grow some balls, then you can talk to me on the same level.
If I thought I was needed in a war instead of killing myself for a stupid American propoganda victory, then maybe I would sign up.
Those who are overseas fighting for us right now have nothing by my respect. That does NOT mean I have to support this slaughter, and it certainly doesn't mean that the treatment of these prisoners was ok. Yeah ok it was a war blah blah blah Saddam didn't respect the rules either. So what?! Does that mean that the cowards who abused their power to prey on the helpless shouldn't be punished? Lets see what you'd say if it was your girlfriend/boyfriend with the broom handle shoved up their ass.
I respect the soldiers, but I will never, EVER have any respect for the ugly misunderstood thing we call war. And if that makes me a coward? Deal with it, there isn't a thing you can do about it.
This wasn't meant as a personal attack on anyone or their opinions.
exactly. that's all i'm saying.
i don't want any of them to be harmed, just like i don't want innocent civilians on the other side to be harmed, for pointless empire building, as America is reduced to a third world country in historical fashion.
people can claim all day long what they want to about me, or others, personally. living in parents' basements, tin foil hats...it's just more defense mechanisms to think nothing is actually wrong, or can go wrong in one's own country.
i bet that's what people in iraq thought. how on earth could we have let saddam do what he did?
it makes them conspiracy theorists to question it maybe?
and we cheer it on like a bunch of good little romans, where people know more about american idol and football, and kids can barely spell after going through more socialized education.
history repeats. people don't want to believe it and can't comprehend it.
yeah it repeats, and youll still not be remembered when youre dead and gone.
how many times you gonna edit that post man.?
so what? will you be remembered?
are you so special? you're here with me on these boards, so probably not.
personal attacks don't prove anything.
yeah i know i will.
at least i tried to make a difference, sadly the actions in afghanistan did get overlooked, but i know for a fact that i killed quite a few of those al-quida fucks, and i stood up for something that you apparently cant understand.
yeah, you must be real fucking special then.
if i was as special as you, i wouldn't be here.
yeah maybe you should go put a gun in your mouth, the world would probably be better off.
wow, you must be afraid of my impact on the world...
you'd make a good local sheriff. going around blowing everyones' head off you disagreed with, thinking about all the freedom in the world.
i only shot at those who shot at me first. everytime.
I'm sorry...you must be saying that only people who fight in wars are remembered in history.
I guess you must be right, I can't really think of anyone(GHANDI-JESUS-BUDDHA-MARTINLUTHERKING-NELSONMANDELA-ALMOSTEVERYFUCKINGPOLITICIANINTHEHISTORYOFTHEWORLD )that people remember who didn't fight in a war.
thats not what i said at all, i was compairing me to pisshead, not anything more.
if going to fight a war with blinders on makes you remembered when you die, then i'll be chillin' here. i tend to think that those who question authority (because we all know power corrupts) will go down in history. like martin luther king... like the original founders of the US... etc. tyranny will always be around... someone's gotta stand up and let the soldiers know who and what they're fighting for when they're too blind enough to see it.
I knew exactly what i was fighting for when i got on that plane and headed to where i was going...no question in my mind...i did question the politics of it all for awhile, but like i said i previous posts, that shit all went out the window when the lead started flying.Quote:
Originally Posted by bum
And like i even said in the start of this post, i do not support what happened in that prison...not at all...but i do think that war is way too TV friendly anymore.
i think me and makor01 are in the same position.
he's fighting for freedom abroad, while being chastized for it.
i do what i can locally to fight for freedom, which is what you have to do, right? freedom isn't free we're told. the same thing goes for here in America, doesn't it? can i sit by and just expect it to be there? i'm doing it nonviolently though, while being chastized for it.
Understood...and if you were there my next hit's for you!Quote:
Originally Posted by makor01
and even before my word is challenged anymore about why i am on these boards. i was doing searches one night on addictions to pain killers and i found this site. i am addicted to pain killers at the moment because of what has happened to me.
as i explored this site more i did like some of the other forums they had here, thats why im here.
i was there psy....1 year 2 mo.
makor01: Much respect to you! Don't just shit yourself, there are many Kurds and Shiites in Iraq that feel the same. Likewise, neighboring countries that feared the future of an Iraq with Sadamm without sanctions. I wish you all the best!!!
pisshead:"pointless empire building"? Please point out how we are building our empire. As I recall, "empire building" in history was when a country invaded another, set up its own council with no elections at all for the people, and also used the people of these lands as cheap labor to rape the riches from their country. You know, like the Spanish in South America, Britin in the Middle East...India...etc., the French, Soviet Union.....What extra lands are now classified a state or territory of the U.S. As usual for a U.S. war we bomb, invade, take some control with council from that country, rebuild, then leave. Just wait, if it falls in line with history, we'll be bitching in 20 years of how much better Iraq is economically compared to us! I.E. Japan!
If we were this "empire builder", we would have states all over Europe, North Africa, South America, the Middle East, and Asia! We have got to be labled in history as the stupidest empire builders of all time with that record! :D
Idf anything you're the smartest empire builders of all time, because you don't even have to invade a country to control it..
as for this topic. I dont see how anybody can argue that the abuse that has been reported is justifiable. I don't see how anyone can say that it is necessary. I dont see how anyone can say war is necessary or justifiable. Like that dude said, he might have doubted the politic reasons behind the war, but that stopped when the lead went flying. Now he's even proud that he killed a load of people. Him and his buddies probably placed bets to see who could kill the most each day. Blind allegiance like that scares the shit out of me.
Do you mean like how China, Iran, N. Korea and others are conforming to our will? :confused:
dude we didnt place bets like that at all, that was a pointless comment. kill or be killed in most cases. i hope you never have to experience that.
but it did feel good sometimes :eek:
I mean countries that rely on the International Monetary Fund for financial aid.. The US, being the wealthiest country, has the most influence over the IMF, and often uses it to coax countries (such as Argentina) in to conforming by threatening them with cutting their financial aid, etc.. I mean countries where the US has pressured the governments in to becoming tougher on drugs traffickers, dealers, even users.. I mean countries where the US has pressured the government in to allowing the US to spray chemicals over land suspected to be growing cocaine.. These countries have no choice but to do whatever the US says.
Makor: Okay, youre right, that was a pointless comment - I dont know anything about you so I shouldnt have said that. However, I do know that kind of stuff happens; it's not just entirely made up. And I hope I never have to experience that, either.. when put in that position I would find killing somebody equally as undesirable - if not more so - as being killed...
How does making stipulations on financial aid relate to empire building? If I tell my kid he has to be home at a decent time, no toking or drinking while driving my car, and by the way....grass needs mowing on saturday or no allowance! Does this constitute me as being an evil empire builder based on the fact if he doesn't follow my philosophy he gets no cash? I don't think so...he might, but I don't! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
Don't get me wrong! I don't support Nixens' war on drugs and I don't support the spending of 16 billion a year for men in black hoods to make busts! Do you really believe that the leaders of the countries you mentioned want drug lords ruling their countries from the sidelines..HELL NO. Ask the good ol' U.S. to bring down the lords so they can have military, and financial control in the countries that they are suppose to be ruling over.
Dude, look at Canada. Took in S. Vietnam A.W.O.L.'s....open seed sites...lax laws regarding marijuana arrests. Is Canada such a military might or did they tell the U.S. to keep the cash they have to offer and they'll keep legistating however they want? Columbia and many other S. American countries could, at any time, tell the U.S. to keep their aid and actually legalize their profitable drugs for export and the U.S. couldn't, and wouldn't do shit! But thats where the problem actually lies. Fat cats in other countries don't want all that illegal money to become legal and likewise making that "Drug Lord" a highly regarded member of the community that they may have to rub shoulders with! Face it, it's not the U.S. DEMANDING to these foriegn leaders...it's their own choice.
Same logic goes for the U.S. Do you really believe that the likes of Kerry and Kennedy want to see the black man, mexican, and hippy on the floor of the senate. Kennedy, of all people, knows that legalization in the U.S. means that, like HIS forefathers, so called criminal elements now have power and influence. When the good ol' boys (Kerry/Kennedy) meet for a splash of wine they don't want to have to deal with us firing up a blunt in the same room not to mention exposing their loved ones people of our caliber! We're not "building empires", the good ol' boys just don't want their lil' empire disturbed.
I don't see your point. Politics is almost always choosing the lesser of two evils.