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no one has an idea whats up with my little down syndrome girl?^^^^^^^
I've had weird plant growth like that. Sometimes they even seem like they want to vine. Doesn't seem to affect anything, just looks weird. Usually they start growing normal as they mature. It doesn't affect budding at all. Guess its like people, some are just born weird looking! Kind of reminds me of a girl I once worked with. She had absoulty NO fingers, she was born with 10 thumbs! You've heard the expression, 'all thumbs'? Well she was. Not a thing wrong with them, they functioned fine. She was a beautiful girl & guys drooled over her.... untill they noticed her hands. Just a little something that caused a deformity. Every one of those I've had like that that were female. Dont know if that was just coincidence, or a mutation concerning a sex-linked gene. Either way, it doesn't effect flowering. Everything sounds & looks great. Dont worry about your little downs syndrome baby. Its just a little oddity! :) :) :)
(Almost looks like it wants to be a tomato! LOL!)
budbro sometimes leaf distortion in plants can be a sign of N toxicity, but I doubt that's the case here. I have a plant I'm nursing along which is a mutant of some sort. Some people told me to get rid of it, but catbuds encouraged me to hang on and nurture it. It still looks weird (gnarled, puckered leaves and very small form), but it's green and sturdy. Eventually I'll throw it into 12/12 and see what happens.
thats what people told me..."dont waste your time" but i was like dude this is my first grow..why not just grow it and see what i get..my logic is it could be some ancient crazy genetic strand that has been dormant for the past 2 million years...and i just found the cure for stupid...hey it could happen....
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wanted to give a better look at my equipment....two ufos...on 240 watt board...one t5 4bulb two footer hanging sideways and a 6inch in line fan to keep positive pressure in the tent to see if it doesnt help keep critters out....makes house smell good though
Budbro, you find the cure for stupid? Well throw some my way. I have a few people around here that could use a cure like that before I'm forced to kill them! I'd just watch the little 'tomato plant' grow & see what happens. What can it hurt? I think it will grow out of it somewhat & proceed as normal. :)
Do like looking at these pictures of led grows, think they look so cool. Wonder if this is causing your piling of leaves?
I did have similar experience with my LED-fed indica plants when they were about that small. It appeared to me that the leaves were growing so wide and bushy that they were growing into each other. It appeared that whatever individual "leaf finger" (I don't recall what the inidivudal lengths on a leaf arecalled) was smaller ended up getting "pushed aside" by the larger "finger", and growing like that for several days, the smaller would kinda warp to the shape it was being pressed in. As my 2 ladies have grown larger, the leaves are larger and more spaced out, and they are not pressing into each other the way they were when tiny. However, I have kept up with minor pruning and LST to help with light penetration, air flow, and to keep them growing in the directions I want them to grow. If I had not been pruning as much, maybe they would still be too bushy and have leaves growing into each other.
So keep an eye on it! Love seeing another LED setup, looks like your ladies are getting PLENTY of light!
yea thats my next subject of discussion pruning....what do you cut and what do you not cut...like i get the general idea of nodes and shit, but will i hurt the plant if i start cutting fan leaves away to get light to lower nodes...whats the genral rule of thumb when pruning...and wheres my island man WEEZARD at...catbuds...id gladly give EVERYone some..it would be a requiremnet of mine that everyone is issued a dose at birth...i would make sure this happend when i sold the genetic strand to the gov....all about the fine print...and it would be FO FREE..but not for the government...they stay robbing me...just got pulled on my motorcycle CRUISIN and they got me for 300 large:wtf: but guess thats the price one must pay to play hard...but back to pruning...yea my little low ryder def needs some and so does down syndrome susie....like the doog said leaves are growing into each other
I have rarely pruned fan leaves ever. Rarely I'll find an indica that seems to want some trimming. I do top the plants to keep them from growing too tall and trim lower branches so the light doesn't need to reach those bottom little buds. Keep in mind that even with 1000 watts of HPS the light is not so strong when you get to the bottom of a 6 foot (2 meter) tall plant. And with LED and CFLs the light is even less powerful.
You two shouldn't post one after other, I've got a weak heart
haha what do you mean...Quote:
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and my low ryder is a short stumpy thing(yes i know genetics) but has very little light penetration thats why i was asking about the pruning of fan leaves....any more specific advice on the subject is welcomed...thanks shovel!
I'm voting for losing bottom and interior buds, not leaves, try two different same size, then check weight, might surprise you.
If your to young to know I shouldn't say anything. :S3::jawdropper::joint1:
okay that i get. so im just directing my growth to a handful verse letting em runwild? even with an auto? if i do this with my lowryder plant i feel like i will get rid of most of the sites...from the research i have done these plants are small and stumpy with not much bud growth in the first place, enlighten me oh good weed warrior! im trying to get that knowledge.....:thumbsup:(puts lab coat and goggles back on grabs clip board hysterically laughs back to the lab)
Ranger I believe it's the opposite - keep starin at the booties to get a high BPM work out for the ticker :)Quote:
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I would definitely have ageed (ten years ago), but now with half a heart, still its nice to see!!Quote:
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im an idiot...like momma said if i was a snake the shit woulda bit me....:silly:
Howzit, guys?
Thought I'd weigh in on "hackin' n hewin'.
I don't chop fanleaf, that's tantamount to removing solar panels from your roof.
More is usually better, with fan leaf.
They can be folded in case of shading, but mo'betta use an oscillating fan to keep them moving.
There are several benefits to that, heat, transpiration, flyers, shading, stem strength, dust prevention, PM, etc.
Never grow indoors without one or two.
And I hang my leds from a single, central, cord so that they torque a bit when the thermostat kicks their fan on and off.
That moves the shadows around so every part of the plant gets a share of the light.
Just like momma nature. :)
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And the comment about LED and CFL penetration was only half right.
The CFL half.:)
LEDs have a happy variable.
They can be lensed to "get around" the inverse square law.
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They are normally, Lambertian, or 180 degree radiation emitters.
With un-lensed LEDs, SOG or SCROG, is the way to go, but with lanky gals, lensing is advised.
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Narrow the angle to 90 degrees and they will out"penetrate" HPS and MH.
Focus to 60 degrees and you approach sunlight ratios.
I'd save dat l'il "twisty sistah, brah.
I've seen them turn magical at the end.
Aloha,
Weezard
I was just saying what I do with my plants. And I don't grow autos so what I do doesn't always apply. Carry on.Quote:
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i think for this first grow...im gunna focus on making sure i keep em healthy and then wehn i get that down try to learn other techniques instead of overloading myself with info and getting overwhelmed...
Well, tlranger my friend, you are definitely a wise, strong, and caring man! My Grandpa George endured two separate cardiac bypasses - both 10-20 years ago. He also suffered (yet lived) through bouts (and chemo treatment) of prostate, colon, and lung cancers from that time until about 8 months ago, when he succumbed to the diseases (and the treatment, which he always felt made him much weaker than the disease itself). Grandpa George drove me to become an Eagle Scout, which I would NOT have become without him. He also drove me to become an athlete, which helped me afford college with the help of a scholarship. He taught me to cook initially, which led me to pursue cooking school after I realized my original college plans were not what I was really looking for.Quote:
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SO, tlranger - although I have gone off on a personal tangent that is not even located in my own grow log, I want you to know that your knowledge, wisdom, know-how, and friendly banter are ALL much appreciated and comforting! I am only speaking for myself, but I imagine other n00b farmers like myself feel the anxiety at various times of stress - when us n00bies have a question/concern, your friendly words of wisdom are very welcome. Just knowing your background and reading your stories and experiences makes me feel like I literally have a farmer holding my hand through my problems, and it takes away so much worry and anxiety. Even if the suggestions are not always used, it is comforting to have someone with a lot of experience offering suggestions. I can't imagine the help we need getting much better than friendly advice from you, Weezard, catbuds, and ALL the other knowledgable growers (SO SORRY if I didn't mention anyone else specifically by name but I love you all for your willingness to help)!
So keep taking care of that heart so you can continue to healthily share your wisdom with us :)
yup i second this motion...i need my hand held to the toilet let alone growing buds...and doog an EAGLE SCOUT? damn they didnt teach you how to grow buds with a stick and two rocks...? would thought they had a ganja badge...whats your take on the new openly gay scouts...just curious...^^^^and this isnt considered thread jacking IMO if it is throw my ass back in the HOLE for two weeks...GLADLYQuote:
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trangler, weez and catbuds and some others i have left out are def my go to worthy weed warriors...weez is def the LED go to man.
quick question are these pictures signs of "sun burn" or nute burn....and why is only happening on two leaves i rotate the plants through out the day in a clockward motion, to give a constant change....but the top of the plant has no signs of stress at least to me...here are some pics...pick them brains fellows...im stumpedAttachment 297406Attachment 297407Attachment 297408
Hey my friend the coloring on those leaves, to my n00b eyes, looks like what I had going on with my ladies - Calcium deficiency. I was confused when I had those almost EXACT same-looking spots on some of my leaves. It confused me because I did some research, both in my copy of Ed Rosenthal's The Marijuana Grower's Handbook, and also various forums, to find out that it appeared they were suffering from a Ca deficiency. I feed my ladies Sea-Cal (from Humboldt Nutes, based on their nute schedule), so I assumed they should not have any Calcium problems. So, in talking with the nice people at my local hydro shop, they explained that this (and other nutrient deficiency problems) can occur if soil pH is off (too acidic), or also if the plants are over-watered. I believe that I had both the over-watering and non-ideal pH problem going on. Since correcting those two issues, and slightly increasing my dose of Sea-Cal, I have no longer seen these spotting issues.
So, if that is what's going on with your plants, I would first try to wait a little longer (1-2 hours longer) between waterings from day to day, and also be very diligent in checking your pH - prior to watering, and checking the runoff when you water. I bet adjusting those things will help you like it helped me. It won't make the already-existing spotting go away in the current leaves, but new growth should NOT develop those spots.
see what youre saying makes sense....but....why would only one leaf show this...and at the middle of the plant? why wouldnt new growth have the same kind of issue...if it were on more leaves id be like "okay hes right" but with one leaf is this possible? the spots when i look at em with a magnifying glass they are see through almost...a transparent yellow brown....ive been following fox farms feeding schedule...and am using fox farms ocean soil or whatevr....ive never thought of ph"in my runoff water..if that water is off how do i adjust soil ph? i have been using the hydroponics ph up and down kit...and a ph tester...(but this is all for water prior to watering....im starving for this green knowledge....enlighten me....PS packers BLOW. MF'in arron rodgers
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Good advice, D00g,
I'd like a mo' betta look at the petioles.
If they are "pinking", that's 2 votes for lockout from low PH swings.
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In which case, adding calmag won't help.
That said, I don't know from auto-flower.
Near the equator, they're almost all auto-flower. :)
Aloha,
Weeze
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@budbro,
Do those spots look like they were "scooped" out?
Went back and clicked up them photos.
Good pics!
Wish everyone would do that kind of resolution.
Never mind about the scooped, question.
No sign of Thrips.
And I do see the tell-tale signs of phosphorus lockout at the fan leaf centers.
Good call d00g!
The location of the symptoms tells you exactly when your PH was low.
If the old growth is normal, and the new growth looks good, it was transitory and mild.
You can simply carry on. :)
Looks like you've taken good care of her.
And now have learned to check the water's PH each and every time.
I learned, the hard way, that the PH of my tap water is a moving target.
(It's an Island thing.
Surf up? maybe PH guy no come work today. :D )
Aloha,
Weeze
Haha PH guy shows up to the water treatment plant, drips 10 drops of PH up or down into the giant tanks for the day, then goes back to surfing!
flush for a few days? distilled water ph'd at 6.1-6.3? skip a nute cycle?...maybe do a nute flush? sledgehammer kinda shit? is your "sign" the purpling at the center? and if so...is the flush enough or is there another step needed?Quote:
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thank you!
None of the above.Quote:
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Please re-read this part carefully;
"The location of the symptoms tells you exactly when your PH was low.
If the old growth is normal, and the new growth looks good, it was transitory and mild.
You can simply carry on. :)"
By "carry on", I mean that no immediate action is required if those 2 underlined conditions are met.
All those "spots" say, is that you had a PH problem in the past.
The purpling is also on older growth.
The healthy looking new growth says that you no longer have that problem.
If it's no longer broken, why continue to "fix" it?
Just carry on, carrying on.
She looks good.
Aloha,
Weeze
Have to say, agree with Weez, new growth looks good carry on. Just keep an eye on it.
my fault...can you explain a little more about the run off water being ph'd...and if its not at the right ph how do you get soil to the right ph? this sparks my interest. (i dont know what your soil ph' should be to begin with).im not gunna do anything to the plants...listening like a good jedi in training... i just fed em last watering, and im going to NYC for two days for work tomorrow so im gunna give a nice pure water once again before i leave....love coming back from a work trip and seeing how much they have grown...blows my mind...Quote:
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thanks again ranger, weez and everyone else pitch help in...
another question about the pinking or pupling on leaf stems? this is a phosphorous issue..? im noticing this on one plant pretty bad...so any help would be appreciated...ill post some pictures of fan leaf centers on all my plants this evening...
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first three are from the same plant...
4 and 5 and 6 are from the same
last two are my down syndrome girl...which is the only one with no signs of "pinkin" at the center of leafs and stems of leaves....advice would be greatly appreciated as i thought it was a naturally occurring issue, not a health issue sign: thank you in advance ladies and gents.
Can be.
There are some strains that will pink up regardless of PH, and an actual Phosphorus deficiency is very rare.
But, generally, if you see red stems and petioles it indicates a low PH lockout.
Easy enough to check, yah?
I used to call it sunburn, because many plants tint their new growth red to reflect excess red and IR until they are old enough to handle it.
So far though, all of mine were PH issues.
Aloha,
Weeze
I've wondered about this also. All four of my flowering plants have pale pink/purple petioles. Considering that otherwise they seem quite healthy (as yours seem also, budbro), I'm inclined to believe its just natural for my strain.
do any of yours have varying shades? some new growth has none, some new has alot and some has a mixture....probably my paranoia or OCD on wanting shit to be perfect...another question....i have my plants to the point where they are guzzling water? whats a good tell if you are giving the right amount of water? a few drips from the bottom of pot, or do you want like 10-20% of what ever you giveme to com eout the bottom...read that somewhere on hereQuote:
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could that distilled water be causeing any issue weez? and could you explain that diagram a little bitto me?http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponi...lmag-plus.html
as for resolution quality im using a Nikon D50
its official...its an issue with every plant...i need help...i just looked at all plants and they are all showing serious signs...im feeling its the distilled water not having all it should like tap water ie calcium...really dont like seeing such nasty little burn spots everywhere
You are probably right about the water.
Distilled water has nothing at all in it, and that creates osmotic pressure that can and does suck salts right out of your plants.
The only way to use distilled, or RO water is to replace the trace.
Good Hydro nutes contain a little extra Ca and all the trace element.
Soil nutes often do not.
Did a cloning experiment a while back when a vendor started pimping his RO filters here.
He was going on and on about the evils of Chloramine and Chlorine in tap water.
Claimed it was sure death, etc.
So, I took some cutting and set half of them in rainwater, and half in tap water.
No additives.
I watched the too pure water suck those little cuttings dry, then use what they stole to grow bad bugs, (mildew, fungi, bacteria), that finished the cuttings off.
The cuttings protected by the Chloramine and the 120ppm. of "other stuff", rooted and grew jus' fine.
So,my conclusions), a little Chloramine is a good thing, and water can be too pure for our favorite weed.
That said, I have grown some excellent meds that had red petioles all the way through.
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I'd say, watch their overall health and don't fret the existing spots, they will not go away, and those leaves are still functioning.
The newest growth is the indicator of their present health.
If the new leaf starts showing spots, we'll put on our thinking cats.
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And the chart is simple.
Read your PH, find that reading at the top of the chart and draw a line straight down.
If it passes through the fat part of an element all is well.
Through a skinny part?
Not so good. :(
You will note that Calcium and Phosphorus get "skinny" at about the same PH value.
That is not the best chart for Cannabis, but does serve for diagnosis.
Aloha,
Weeze