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This is the little Afgooey X Lemon Skunk phenotype that has me puzzled. It is now in week 12 of veg, but it is dwarfish and weak looking. The leaves seem contorted , more like nutrient imbalance than pest. I put in in darkness for 48 hrs to force pre-flowers and I got pale, vase-shaped calyxes with no stigma. Could it be a diamond in the rough? Or is it a disease vector and possible hermaphrodite?
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When my veg room got cold for an extended period my mother plants looked very similar to that. Was that plant in a different environ then your other plants?
I'd try her out. She may just be a dwarf pheno type. I've flowered my males for pollen right along side my girls by putting him in a large plastic bag. Got the bag from a pet shop. Its what their fish shipments come in. Only place I know to get those huge clear plastic bags, & FREE! My favorite price! So if you fear she may be hermie, call a near by pet shop & ask them to save you a bag. Otherwise, they will CUT it open to release the fish. You'll need one that's been opened from the top. :) :) :)
P.S. That looks like shock, not disease. Sometimes they're slow to come out of it, & the older leaves will probably never go back to normal. Its ok as long as they stay green & can go through photosynthesis. The new growth will tell you when its over the shock. Could be the shock stunted it though, but I'm hoping for a dwarf pheno to give you some genetic diversity.
All this discussion of the little plant.... And where would u flower her anyhow... Your flower room's pretty full last I saw... :)
I'm leaning towards letting her flower, perhaps in isolation. I agree it looks like some kind of environmental shock, but to my knowledge she has experienced the same conditions as all the others. Keep in mind though that this generation of plants were shocked by 120F temperatures as tiny seedlings. The fact that they survived, and most of them are healthy, is truly amazing. Maybe this one just never fully recovered from that. I notice also that it's leaves curl upwards at the edges. I may give it a flush and/or re-pot and see how it responds.
I'd go ahead with the flush, but she might be more susceptible to transplant shock at this stage, & that could kill her. So be careful you don't kill her with kindness! :) :) :)
Good point. One thing at a time is probably the wisest course.
Bad news first. One plant is showing what looks like clawing on it's new growth (1st pic). Its hard to believe that it could be N toxicity because I'm only on scheduled FF nutes at half-strength. My guess is overwatering, which the recent appearance of fungus gnats would seem to support. I'm interested in what you folks think.
Then the good news. Flower stigma are suddenly much more apparent and reaching (pic 2). I notice them especially in the tops, where the pre-flowers were absent during veg. This budding business is really going to try my patience, I can tell already. Modern, short attention-span Human that I am. But my fascination with this plant increases daily.
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Did quite a bit of thinning in the mid-sections and re-worked my tethers and weights to get a more uniform pulling on the branches. The canopy top is now shoulder height (5') and the canopy spread is now 6"x6". I raised my HPS 4" but that's all the more I can do. Boy I sure hope they slow down.Attachment 296542
But the cool thing is that the plants changed overnight. Today they have a distinctly different look and feel. The tops are suddenly drawing the eye, denser. I also notice differences in each plant's habit that I did not notice before. And the smell, is distinctly stronger. :smokin:
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Wow! Really nice job on those Girls Chromophore. They are looking just outstanding. I don't envy your "size" problems though....Lol .....but the production will be amazing.
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your girls look's great man :D is it MH you are flowering under ? i can see that blue light on some of the leaf's from the light :)
Thanks people. No I'm flowering under HPS. The blue is coming from a couple of UVB cfl lamps I have up high. I corrected the color a bit before uploading since the HPS makes everything dark orange.
To be clear, the 600w HPS is just out of the picture. One of the UVB cfls can be seen in the upper right. The other one is out of the picture on the left. I run these for about 3 hrs per light cycle. I haven't noticed any leaf damage from them, but it remains to be seen if they will really enhance trichome production or not.
Chromophore, the plants look good. Your grow room looks very clean and tidy also. Good job.
ah ok :)
i do not wona use UVB light's - because large amounts of UV light can lead to cancer.
it's just a personal opinion :)
but your grow look's great that's forsure :D
--peace--
Yeah I don't go in there when the UV lamps are on. They are low enough output that it would take a fair bit of exposure before there would be much risk of cancer. But even a few seconds of looking directly at them can hurt your eyes. I'm on the fence about using them to be honest.
good to hear you are aware of it.
it can be dangerous :)
but your plants are super nice :D
What type of uv cfl are you using? All cfls produce a little more uv than other fluorescents, but it sounds like you're using special uv ones, which is really over kill, since the regular ones produce enough. The ones called reveal come the closest to reproducing sunlight & are recomended by drs for their patients with seasonal effective disorder. Point being, they don't produce enough uv to be harmful, & you could keep them on for the whole light cycle. :) :) :)
Glad you found your way out of the mighty jungle! :) So will you be posting bud pics once a week? :)
Uh oh we may never find out the answer to your question and see some juicy pics, catbuds - it looks like thenewgrow has a little "Banned" sign under his or her name! That is very unfortunate :( I always wonder what leads to that for people...Quote:
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Blue will increase resin production. But u won't know cause u won't be able to compare. :)
See indoor growing, thread 'help with the cold'....... read the whole thing.Quote:
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The UVB question is a tricky one. There is some evidence that ultraviolet B (280-315 nm or "medium" wave) increases potency via increased THC and terpene production. How carefully these studies have been done is a real concern, and I have yet to see anyone clearly show the mechanism behind this. In Rosenthal's Grower's Handbook he notes a PhD thesis by a guy named John Lydon (I'm assuming this person isn't also the lead singer of the Sex Pistols) who found that the potency of the final product increased in direct proportion to the amount of UVB that was used during flowering. Since UVB is more intense at lower latitudes and in the earlier part of the summer, it was concluded that plants grown outdoors should be forced to flower in early summer (June-July), when UVB is naturally most intense.
How this carries over into an indoor grow is less clear. I have read many testimonials from people who have done (IMHO) fairly dumb things with UVB lamps and ended up cooking their plants and/or themselves. Rosenthal recommends using a cfl based UVB with a total wattage no greater than 10% of your total lighting system. I use two 25w UVB cfl bulbs in reflectors along with a 600w HPS. These are bulbs usually used for reptiles and are not expensive, but you need to make sure they are B. While other blue and violet wavelengths may help, Lydon's work showed that UVB specifically was related to increased potency. I turn mine on when I'm done working in the room, then turn them off after a couple of hours. I have them placed about 24 inches from the canopy and after 14 days I do not see any signs of leaf damage. But as Captain points out, I won't have anything to compare to in the end. In the future I may try to set up a system where I can directly compare with and without UVB.
New pics of the girls tonight. Exciting stuff happening!
Girls are vibrant and proud. Flowering is now finally indisputable. Aroma in the room is heavenly. Pulled back some branches and rotated slightly, otherwise, just letting them be.Attachment 296724Attachment 296725Attachment 296726Attachment 296727Attachment 296728Attachment 296729
How's the little pheno dwarf coming along? You haven't mentioned her lately. I'm anxious for your harvest. Bet it will be comparable to an outdoor grow. I've had friends who would drive miles to their crop. It was a good location, full sun, rich soil right next to a stream, but they were only able to do that because their place of empolyment had shut down. Now that they're back to work they're ' in the closet' again. I wish there was a way you could do a big outdoor grow in 2014. No height/size restrictions, you'd be in your glory. My friends were in awe at the size of their plants & buds. Dried harvest wt, a little over 60 lbs. They never said how many plants they had, but they weren't expecting that much weight. Just wishing you could enjoy that same experience! (As I've been sitting here watching it snow its ass off!!!!) :) :) :)
Just saw the pics! Not just tall, but nice & beefy! They ARE going to be comparable to outdoor buds! That's an experience I can't wait for you to have! Maybe legalization will happen in the not TOO distant future. We can only hope, sign petitions, & vote for candidates in favor. Removing ourselves from the U.N. might help :( I'm really upset with them. Read the thread about Uruguay's legalization. Yea for Uruguay! Boo on the U.N.! OK, I'll jump off my soapbox (for now!) :) :) :)
Catbuds presently I'm doing a legal grow for a patient. Fortunately I live in a state that is at least trying to peek it's head out of the Dark Ages. I do dream of an outdoor grow, and I am convinced someday it will happen. There are some options I have down the road. I can apply for a license to grow "commercially", but it's expensive and the competition is fierce. In my neck of the woods, growing anything except grain is very difficult. We have the unfortunate combination of extremely dry air, clay-rich soil and seasons which change suddenly, especially autumn. Night temps in the summer still routinely drop into the 40's even in August. Average last frost is late May, average first frost is Sept15th. That's a very short effective growing season. Gardeners here really pride themselves because it is a very challenging climate to grow most anything well (tomato growing is so difficult it's like an Olympic event amongst the gardening crowd). But there is a high probability that I will be moving to the desert Southwest or SoCal within the next 5 years. Depending on where I go I might have better opportunity for an outdoor grow.
As for the pheno dwarf, it also suffered the indignity of being knocked off of it's stand by two of my cats who were chasing each other around and somehow got into my veg. room. Lost two branches.:( Cats lost 1 or 2 lives.;) A long-time grower who has been guiding me here looked at it and thought I should throw it in with the flowering girls and see what happens. I believe Catbuds that you gave me the same advice. Well, that's good enough for me. Into the flowering room it goes. It's actually flushing with new growth, but even that looks odd. I'll post a pic and if people have comments/warnings/suggestions I'll mull that over before actually moving them into the budroom.Attachment 296767 Keep in mind this plant is the same age as the girls currently flowering. Under a loupe it does display what appears to be female pre-flowers, but no stigma.
Ahhh, putter tats! Just can't keep their little fuzzy butts outa trouble! My two are the reason I didn't just build my own tent. Have all I need to do that, but they would go right through it! they seem to know when they can get away with murder & once they're spoiled rotten, they're into EVERYTHING! But the badder they are , the more I lover them! LOL!
-- Sometimes mutants are sterile. That could have been her issue from the start, made her more susceptible to heat/cold stress. Time will tell. Worth watching though.
-- Damned! Sam seems to have known we were talking about them! Just chased him off the fridge, trying to knock the lamp in the floor. But that's alright, I have a spray bottle & I'm not afraid to use it! :) :) :)
P.S. Almost forgot to say, I love your avatar! Nice trichromes!
Plants starting to shed leaves. I've been warned that this will happen as flowering progresses, but it's alarming nonetheless. Otherwise they look fine and the flowers are starting to explode. The aroma is getting noticeably stronger. Not as sweet; darker and spicier. Tonight I'm going to put my good macro lens on my camera and see if I can get some close-up shots of the flowers and trichomes.Attachment 296895
Close-up of bud formation. Capitate trichomes becoming much more noticeable. The stigma of the pistils are Medusa-like. Good times.:smokin:Attachment 296896
Great pic Chromophore, looking good! Give us another shot of the group, you and I are at about the same point in 12/12.
New pics coming tonight. I'm going to get a group shot and hopefully a close-up that is more properly illuminated. The trichomes have just suddenly exploded in number over the last day. OMB do you have a good camera? Can you do super close-up stuff?
I do have the camera to do the super macro shots, but it has a dead battery and uses a funky one. I have been using my phone...pretty bad quality indeed.Quote:
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I have another Camera, let me try that one and I will post pics in my thread later. The girls are about to "wakeup". :cool:
I am entranced by the plants now.Attachment 296975
Hahaha....I know exactly what you mean. :smokin: I can just stare at them for 20-30 minutes at a time. Fussing, folding, checking...Never ending. Pretty funny actually, all this fuss for a couple plants. ;)Quote:
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Looking good Chromophore, I will try and get some better Macro pics up of mine.
The jungle has established itself. Four plants have managed to form an actual sea of deliciously fragrant rustling greenery. I can't even imagine what this is going to be like in a couple of weeks.
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Wow...That is impressive. Your credentials are showing, nice work Chromophore. :thumbsup: We are just at opposite ends of the spectrum in regards to the plants themselves.
I grow short, stumpy Indica's ...your's are giants! Lol....I meaure inches, you measure feet! Damn nice chromophore, I have gotten a lot of great info from you and mama catbuds!
Shovelhandle has been a great help as well, happy growing.
looks like things are coming along quite nicely
I think I probably let these get a bit oversized before I went to 12/12. I supercropped them throughout veg, but looking at them now they probably needed a bit more training, and many of my super-cropping attempts are barely noticeable in the mature plant. It's cool to have them so big, but some of the flower tops are 6" from the light, and I'm afraid I'm going to see damage eventually. The batch I have in veg right now are a different strain (Lemon Skunk X Purple Wreck) and they have a wider, bushier, though somewhat airy and open habit. Their stems are thin and delicate and I really have to be careful training or supercropping, as they snap easily, and they don't recover from the bend the way these flowering plants do. These flowering girls are Afgooey X Lemon Skunk.
I'm noticing a fair amount of leaf drop in the room lately. Mostly old spent fan leaves but some smaller leaves as well. Typically from the mid and lower canopy area, and as many as 10 per plant per day. Many of the newer (or smaller) leaves in this zone are uniformly pale green to greenish yellow. It makes sense to me that the plant would shed leaves as the flowering process occurs, but since this is my first time with this I'm really nervous. I'm sticking religiously to the Foxfarm feeding schedule (nutes every other watering), and the buds seems to be coming along nicely. At what point should I worry about this? I will post pics tonight of the mid and lower zones.