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Originally Posted by JSTA
what are you talking about??more people die in alcohol related car accidents than they do by guns.hypocracy maybe?
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Originally Posted by JSTA
what are you talking about??more people die in alcohol related car accidents than they do by guns.hypocracy maybe?
lol, where did I even mention alcohol. It's the same issue with alcohol. It's the person that abuses their right to drink the alcohol, then they go drive and kill people. Well, I think people will abuse their right to defend themselves with this law, either that or put a twist on it or use it to get around the system. They will be abusing their right to own a gun, as does an alcoholic their right to drink.
Welp, that was my attempt to do something constructive with your hypocracy comment.
It's very simple. People are very much more polite and less likely to fuck with others when they know people are armed, period. I think you are assuming that people who are armed are itching for a shootout and are trigger happy individuals, which is not the case. Even if you have some idiot criminal who is armed, he is definately going to think twice when in a well armed community. Criminals in general look for easy targets. In the US, areas with high crime rates almost always have very strict gun control laws. Areas with less gun laws are just the opposite and have much lower crime rates. What works in your country does not work here.Quote:
Originally Posted by JSTA
you didnt mention alcohol at all,i was just saying that it seems alot of yahoos around here seem to think we have a unbelievable amount of gun related crime and that kids kill themselves all the time and blah,blah,blah.
more kids drown in the bath tub every year than are killed by guns.FACT.
states with stricter gun laws usually have a higher crime rate,states that allow conceal and carry for example almost always have a lower crime rate.wierd how that works isnt it.
i know for a fact you would think twice about breaking into someones house in alabama.
why?bcause there is a great chance your ass is gonna get shot.
i bet the crime rate drops over the next ten years,
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Originally Posted by Nick1990
Oh I see you want things more fair for criminals. Only idiots fight fair. No criminal is going to look for a fair fight, so why shouldn't you use what advantage you have? I see this law actually lowering the crime rate.
for sure it will lower it!!
as for fighting fair,fuck that!
Quit being so damn afraid of people attacking you. You know what I find funny, Canadians feel safe enough that they leave their doors unlocked. I'm sure not all do, but how many times have you left your doors unlocked knowing someone could walk in any second. Fear runs this damn country.
I think the issue here is the acceptance of violence in our society. Go to a rated R movie, the violence in some of those movies are insane. But you'll be hella lucky to get any tit action. Violence sells in this country. I made a point earlier about how bad the media is in showing gun related deaths all the time, it's because nobody would watch if it was just a bunch of people doing good things for their community all day. I live in Houston and all I see is violence in the new, and of course there's no stories of people doing good stuff in Houston now is there?
It's obvious it's the American society that cause people to think they need a gun to defend themselves. Now, I'm all for the right to keep a gun in your house, but people in this country go to the extreme. What the hell would I need to carry a gun around for anyway? If the unfortunate event happens that I get mugged, I'm giving my shit up. But if I whip out a gun, the attacker will feel threatened, thus, he'll be violent towards me. Now, if you're willing to put your life on the line for possessions, then feel free, as for me, my life is more important.
I'm gonna go smoke a bowl now, too much tension building up here. lol :)
you wouldnt have to give up your shit if you had a gun would you?
my mother lives in Galveston and carries a small derringer every day.it is an equalizer.
For a lot of people the issue of arming themselves is not out of fear at all, but it's an issue of being prepared. I don't carry a firearm, but I do have a few in the house just incase anything does happen. I hope nothing ever does happen, but I'd much rather be prepared than not. If you assume that a criminal is just going to let you go after mugging you or not hurt you if you give them what they want, then you really need to talk to some mugging victims or get your head checked. You may not need to carry a firearm and I certainly don't, but we have no right to make that call for others or say how a person can or cannot choose to defend themselves.
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Originally Posted by sawleaf
well put sawleaf.i agree 100%
My bro told me a cool story yesterday that a workmate told him:
His friend (person who told the story) was waiting at a bus stop late when a group of 6 townie inbreds (3 blokes, 3 "girls") came and started asking him about who he was, how old he was, where he lived, etc. Suddenly the one doing the talking came close to him all like "gimme your money, gimme your money mate, what? Gimme your money".
My bro's mate looked at him calmly and said "seriously mate, don't bother".
"what, what the fuck you on about? gimme your wallet!"
"I've got a knife."
Pikey stares at him for a couple seconds and just says "yeah, safe mate, safe." and they all walk off.
My bro's friend didn't have a knife for shit but they still shat bricks. It just shows the comparison between the UK and US. The most dangerous thing you can be confronted with here in the majority of muggings is a knife. In America, it's a gun. Consider our much lower rate of gun-related deaths and murders and you'll find it's not really that hard to comprehend.
Anyone that wants to make a government conspiracy theory out of it is just a dumbarse. :D
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Originally Posted by Button Basher
consider that we have millions and millions more people than england.if we had the same amount of people our crime rates would not be much different.
Consider your friends lucky that those fools didn't call his bluff and pull out a blade of their own. That's why I don't carry a firearm. You don't bluff in situations like that and you most definately don't pull out a firearm to scare people. I just don't want to put myself in a situation where I would be forced to draw down on someone again. I have had to before and believe me, it is not fun for either person. Pepper spray is what I carry now, but would you believe that the laws are so ridiculous in the US that in most high crime areas pepper spray and stun guns are illegal to carry also!!!? It's great that gun control works in your country, but the US was founded by men with guns and our history was forged with the firearm. Disarming people here has a proven record of increasing crime. :)
^^Which is messed up. There's just something about this place that people find it okay to carry weapons around with them. That scares me.
thats the point,IT SHOULD SCARE YOU!
BUT I'M NOT CARRYIN A DAMN GUN AROUND BECAUSE OF IT!!!!! (i like caps too)
It scares me that people think they need to carry guns around to be safe. That's the point I was tryin to make. Not that there is some guy in a hoodie waitin to mug me. <--------That's happens to me all the time btw. :cool:
Nobody is asking you to carry a firearm. I choose not too, but I don't have the right to make choices for others. :)
Perhaps. It's an interesting notion, but one that can't really be proven.Quote:
Originally Posted by amsterdam
amsterdam...... do you understand math at all? If you look at the percentages of people who have been attacked/threatened by a gun in America compared to the UK, you'll find that in the UK it is alot lower. The population has no bearing on that number.
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Originally Posted by Nick1990
i must say your not so bright.
you think your tough right,can take a asskicking if you lose in your manly contest
your just the idiot type i need a gun for,you'd throw me down and stomp me over some bullshit,had i not a gun to blow out your brains with when you tried
fight like a man,wtf?is that shit,u seen too much tv,
this fair fight shit,hahaha,come back in 20 yrs and tells us about it.
you tell me what would be fair about a 250 lb dude and a skinny lil 125 lb dude fighting,unless he the lil dude is a 'artist of pain" the lil dude is outnumbered one to one,your average "man' agianst some no necked raging bull type,
you expect a person to get beat the hell out of so people can say what?
fuck them and you if ya think im less a man becuase id shoot ya fool ass if ya fucked with me
i'll explian in detail
a kick in the stomach could kill me,(bad ulcers)
a punch in the face could cripple me,(my neck's been hurt in a wreck along with my back) i hit the ground i may not get up
so yes,you go to kick my ass,i would in fact give ya lead poisoning
and it aint got a dam thing to do with being a man
its called survival
i'd bet on two things about you
your a pretty big feller (over 200 lb around 6 ft,?)
and ya never been in a real fight where your life was at stake
good luck
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Howdy NWM,Quote:
Originally Posted by NowhereMan
We're in the same boat..I can't risk trying to fight fair anymore,because of my bad back..if I was a little bit richer,I'd git my ccw permit. Even though,most of the time,I have little to fear around here,but if I went to the D/FW metroplex..I'd want to be armed ..I tell you what ! There ain't no reasoning to be done with junkies and gang-bangers !
Hav a good one !