Neem oil... and protekt. The protekt is an emulsifier... Oh.. Hang a couple of Hot Shot No Pest Strips in with them.. You'll be glad ya did!Quote:
Originally Posted by Minnesnowta
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Neem oil... and protekt. The protekt is an emulsifier... Oh.. Hang a couple of Hot Shot No Pest Strips in with them.. You'll be glad ya did!Quote:
Originally Posted by Minnesnowta
GanjaRob...
When you go to the doctor,because your sick... Your body is stressed! He perscribes you medication,for your ailment..Then the next thing ya know.. Your feelin' better! You've been revegged!
Same thing with a plant.. A clone from a clone from a clone,and so on... That is way more stressful for the strain. What I mean by that is.. You are slowly degrading the potency of that strain. Thats why we keep Mama's.. Revegging keeps them close to the original donor Stress can be dealt with! Destruction has'nt a chance. Don't knock it till ya try it! It's a GOOD THANG!
There are too many factors involved with your final products' potency, and in a perfect world you may be right. I'm doing this to experiment for my own enjoyment, and to further learn the basics of growing cannabis. I didn't even think to take clones from it my first time around because I didn't really plan on setting up a grow room.
But think of it this way... lets say you could measure the conditions of your growing environment on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the most perfect conditions. So even if you lose potency from revegging and the first time it grows the conditions are at a 5/10. Then after you reveg and learn a little more about it you can alter the conditions to a 9/10. Where will the better bud come from?
At any rate this is no more than a hobby to me. I only do this because I enjoy the experiment, and I don't rely on having a perfect finished product for any reason.
Hey GaGrown I've seen a lot in various posts about those no pest strips, I always thought they were those sticky yellow fly traps but I see they're not so I am about to go pick some up from the hardware store. How long would you say it takes for them to have an effect on the mites? Also it says that one strip is good for a 10x13' area, my veg room is aprox. 4x5'. Are they accurate on that or should I use a couple in there?
Thanks again GaGrown for all the help, and thanks for backing me up on the revegging idea haha. From the sounds of it there are a fair number of people that think revegging is a waste and lessens the quality of buds but I don't think anyone has any real proof of that. So hopefully with your help here I can show that it is a reasonable option. And so far it looks as though this reveg will produce more bud the 2nd time around if everything goes well.
If you have spider mites?...I don't think the no-pest strips will be enough. They probably work for prevention?..maybe?Quote:
How long would you say it takes for them to have an effect on the mites?
I have an organic insecticide spray I use as well.
I have two hanging in my flower room,which is LxWxH 7x5x4... That neem is what cha need to start a preventive regimin. Once you have gotten shed of them then,just use the pest strips..
These things are kinda creepy and very annoying, I never see them move unless I aggravate them. I also hardly ever find a living spider mite. So close to getting rid of them but haven't completely yet apparently. They remind me of head lice and I get paranoid every time my head goes within range of my plants haha.
I will take some new pics again tonight and post them. Since the "hard times" when my plants took a beating from bugs and sprays, they were kinda stalled out for a couple days, and now just over last night they've made a lot of progress and turned a much healthier shade of green. Its amazing how quick that happens.
Also my first real, quality, non-bagseed girls popped out of the soil yesterday all at the same time. Pretty remarkable the difference in germination time/success with quality seeds vs bagseed. Just under 3 days for them to sprout with no pre-potting germination techniques used. Just went straight into a nice seedling soil mix.
Anyways, check back later for more pics!
i got rid of mine eventually after trying a few things,the spray ya used not sure what it called but i tried similar and burnt all new growing tips to fk..any way plant vitality plus and mite shield did the trick for me..and for the gnats cover the soil with chippings(wash well first) it stops the breeding cycle and they die off..
The fungus gnats I took care of with a combination of spray, yellow sticky fly trap strips, and dryer sheets. Since my 2nd treatment for the mites I haven't seen any signs of survivors. Sadly, one of my more matured plants showed HIS true form last night, and now I will need to kill my first male plant ever. So sad.. especially since I had to battle through a series of setbacks to keep it healthy and alive.. only to murder it in the end. Oh well.
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My bad, I thought I posted pics before I fell asleep a couple nights ago but apparently I never fully submitted them. So anyways here are a couple pics from 2 days ago, also a couple pics of a sample clone I took from it so I can flower it and gather intel to use in planning my SOG. Looking at my reveg.. its hard to decide what I want to do with it in the near future. It looks like a prime candidate to try out a SCROG. Or great as a mother because it has so many different branches now. Or just let it continue, take some clones, and flower it.. maybe even flower it outdoors again.
As a side note I started 3 purple widow seeds in soil with no pre-planting germination on the 6th, they all sprouted on the 8th and look healthy as can be.. except for one that fell over right at the base randomly. I propped it up for a couple hours and it straightened itself back up and hasn't slowed down at all. I will log those as well but probably in a separate thread.
I need help deciding what I should do with this thing.. I wanna get at least one more round of clones off of it and since I took the last ones, lots of new shoots sprung up to take their places. Obviously I'd really like to flower it out but I just don't know when.. What would you guys do? I'll post some fresh pics tomorrow afternoon so you can see exactly where its at. I'll take all kinds of pics so you can see it completely and can recommend a ballpark timeframe on when it might be best to begin flowering. Or if I should maybe start using a screen and scrog this thing out before I flower it.
http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-gro...you-think.html
I figured it might not be a bad idea to show you what my reveg plant originally looked like and turned out as. So here is a link to a post I made a while back while I was harvesting it, there are 5 pics. At the point these pictures were taken I had already chopped a couple branches off for trial runs on the finished product. They're not the greatest pics in the world either, I didn't have a decent camera at the time so I apologize for that. But as I'm sure I mentioned before it was just bagseed, but I really liked the smell/flavor of it, as well as the feeling I got from it. Nice, mellow, clean feeling that didn't come on overwhelmingly strong and seems to have a nice balance of the different effects I want to help improve my overall quality of life and health.
Understand that early in this things life I didn't pay much attention to it and didn't really invest much thought in the idea that it would produce such a great product. Also I wasn't prepared to take care of it when I did finally realize that it was going to be a good thing so it isn't the greatest looking flower in the world. That is a big reason why I am so optimistic about the results I will get from revegging it. I think I have greatly improved its growing conditions in every possible way, except for maybe lighting because you can't beat good sunlight no matter how hard you try.. at least I don't think you can. Anyways, lemme know what you think of it, thanks!
http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-gro...you-think.html
Try SAFERS SOAP. I use it . it's safe. try lowes or home depot or on line.
safers soap for what? never heard of it.
Heres a couple more pics from last night of the revegger, couple more days until I know how many of the clones I recently cut from her were successful, and if at least half are a success, which.. I don't know why they wouldn't be, I will be putting it into flower modez then within a week. Once that happens then this whole process/thread should become at least a little bit more interesting. Once I get into flower I'll be more detailed with my logging since I have my flower mode strategy pretty well solidified, whereas the vegging is much more forgiving to experiment with so I haven't had a real standard schedule for things. Also didn't know anything about revegging going into this so everything is kinda an experiment.
Anyways, I'm open to suggestions for what I could do for pre-flowering preparation before I send her into bloom. I still feel like I should train it through a screen or tie off some branches to spread them out and allow for more light access but I haven't done much of that either so I'm unsure and need some inspiration/motivation/encouragement haha.
The 5th picture is of the first clone I removed from the reveg so I could veg it out a bit and put it into flower early so I can collect some more detailed data on flowering time and all that stuff. Hopefully it'll help me to better plan out a small SOG. That thing was officially moved into flower today, its somewhere between 8-9 inches tall at the moment, hopefully thats a reasonable size to start flowering for SOG. ***(P.S. That sickly looking thing behind it was damaged badly from the insecticide spray attack when it was a baby, it hardly even had two sets of leaves at the time and took forever to come back to life, I thought the nodes were dead. But after a few mutated growths, its starting to look really healthy. I plan to add that to the SOG rotation as well since the flowering time is a couple weeks shorter than my reveg.)
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The mites...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Minnesnowta
Damn it, I went and bought some and have been taking baths with it myself, thought thats what you meant. I wasn't sure why but then I thought hmmm maybe its to make sure I am not carrying anything bad into the grow room with me. Wish you would have told me it was for the mites originally... I've almost used all of it by now.
I got a screen and I think I am going to start spreading this thing out into a SCROG. Its such a full bush I feel like I need to do this in order to flower effectively. I'll post some pics about it.
Look forward to seeing your scrog. That's what I intend to do in the limited space I have.
Yeah, I have a couple questions to get answered about the SCROG. I'm currently working on building a little cart with the screen built into it, similar to what FarmerRich has going on. He showed me some pics of his grows and I thought it was a cool idea. But basically I wanted to make sure that my plant wasn't too old to start SCROGing. Hopefully the stems havent gotten too stiff yet and are still able to flex easily so I can bend them into the holes. In order to figure out the size of the screen I need to use... I'm just going to use a large piece of screen, fill it with my reveg, and then cut off the excess screen. I figure that'd be the best way to go about it.
Anyways, I just got back to home depot with some supplies to work on this stuff so I better get to it. If anyone has any advice, techniques, or suggestions to go along with my SCROG please let me know. I have never done a SCROG before but it looks pretty damn neat.
There are lots of SOG/SCROG/LST/HST/Supercropping vids on Youtube. Take a look.
Thanks to this post and others like it. I have been inspired to reveg. I harvested today. I also kept the lower two branches with some popcorn buds on them to reveg with. I also cut about 8 inches off her roots on bottom and about 1 inch off the sides..I hope to be taking clones by March. seeds are a rare commodity here.
You should really post some pics of how you are starting out your reveg directly after harvest. At least for me that was the most intimidating part of it. There are several others here that are new to the reveg thing and its great to see all the different pics. Feel free to post them here if you want, I'm not concerned about thread jacking or anything. A group of minds working together is much better than just me hahaha.
:thumbsup: I've just enjoyed reading through your thread from the beginning and just wanted to say what a great job you did/are doing. The re-veg girl looks a real beast and the young clones are doing really well. Hope you have the time to keep this going, it would be fun seeing her scrog and flower again.
Ok well I figured I'd post a few pictures of the first test clone I took from my reveg. Just a little background... I took this one early by itself so I could get it into flower and document its reactions to different things, as well as flowering time and all that since I didn't pay that close of attention when I first grew the plant out. Since then I took another 2 waves of clones that are a couple weeks apart from eachother and are still in veg. I plan to keep them small and do a sort of small SOG type grow with them. Which is why its important to me to figure out precise flowering times for this strain.
The pictures below again are the Reveg Test clone, which is pictured above in previous posts of mine. It is currently 12 days into flowering and appears to be moving along at a good pace. Two days ago it really started pumpin' out trichomes. This should also help determine whether the idea that revegging causes potency and quality loss, is in fact true or not. Its early in flower, but so far I'd say this reveg clone looks better than the original did. Lemme know what you think!
Reveg Test Clone - Flower Time: 12 days under 400W HPS
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Also, as for the SCROG on the main reveg plant... that is still a work in progress, attempt #1 was sort of a failure due to poor planning. I found it is a lot harder to start a SCROG with a plant as large as mine already is. I need to use smaller mesh, and I don't believe it will be much of a true SCROG, as far as using the screen to train how it grows. Basically the screen will be used to spread the existing growth to allow for better light penetration, rather than continuous training of tops to make new tops. It probably already has 20-30 tops, and they're all relatively even in height. The screen will spread it a little bit and allow the shorter tops to push through, once those tops push though it will be put into flower. I plan to use 3 different HPS lights on it, one 400W and two 150 Watters for supplemental light around the sides. Shes a monster bush right now... and shes got a few signs of preflowers already. I have a big annual business meeting tonight so I probably won't get to posting pics of that until tomorrow afternoon, so if you're interested in it make sure to check back then! Good luck to all who are experiencing revegging right now and hopefully this will provide some inspiration to push it harder!
Nice touch with the venus fly trap! Great idea for airborne pests :thumbsup:
Haha thanks, thats actually part of a project I'm working on, which may have been a mistake because its not a high priority and I've been busier than hell lately so I never have time to work on it. I've been a few days behind on a lot of things and that can translate into problems with plants, thankfully I haven't had any real issues yet from that, in fact everything is doing great. The project is that I bought a few of those venus fly traps because I've always had fungus gnats around and could never really completely get rid of them. No matter what I could always shake one or two out of the soil to kill, which isn't a problem at all, but it got me thinking... maybe I should let them repopulate a little bit, and then flood all open space in my veg room with carnivorous monster plants, (venus fly traps, haha). Anyways, with the few venus fly traps I have I am cloning them to make many many more, and then hopefully they'll have a good meal from the fungus gnats. Then I will just have to focus on keeping the fungus gnats out of the smaller plants with lesser developed root systems, because when they lay eggs that hatch, their larva live in the soil and munch on living roots. And speaking from experience... they can easily destroy a fresh rooting clone or young seedling. I have another post about my evil venus fly trap plan in "Basic Growing" where I'll be posting pictures about it. Check it out in a few days if you want, I should have enough of it done to show off some pics by then.
On a different note... How's my test plant doing for 12 days of flower? I wish I would have shaped it up just a little bit differently, since I would have shortened up the main top a little more to be even with the rest of the tops but oh well. Long as I can pin-point the flower time and what she does and doesn't like for future reference.
You clone from the reveg looks great!
Thanks, I appreciate the comment, I can't wait to see my reveg in flower... its got so many good tops that I've been too lazy to even start trying to count them. And I didn't top anything myself, its all natural, I just hope that the 700watts of HPS lighting I plan to dedicate to her will be enough to show off her full potential indoors. In fact I've actually cut a ton of them off just to make sure I had solid air flow since I often times run high humidity in my veg room. That and when I had a small spider mite outbreak I wanted to make sure I didn't have anywhere on the plant where those little bastards could really hide out and prosper. I'm hoping I'll build a proper SCROG setup now that I made some mistakes in my first attempt and am able to learn from them.
Again I'd like to thank FarmerRich for the inspiration to build a cart on wheels with a screen mounted on top for a SCROG. Soon as he showed me a pic of his setup I thought... "Yup, that makes sense right there." haha.
Ok so I know I said I'd likely have more pics this afternoon for my reveg and scrog progress... as I said the reason I couldn't post the other day was I had to leave real fast for a meeting overnight. So I left my girlfriend with a real simple task that didn't have time to do before I left... basically there was no real need to build a scrog machine anymore right now.... heres what I came home to find.
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The small one in one of the pictures is a clone I have from a sativa strain that I decided to stop production on because I didn't want to deal with its size right now when I'm experimenting with so many other different things. That clone is the last I had of it, the day before I killed off all the other plants I had of that variety, now... I have nothing.
Balls! Most of that has got to be recovereable, right? Even the small ones, you've got to give them a chance! I've seen a few horror stories of when people have had to go away and leave things to other people to deal with which is sad when you see all the work and care that people put into this. :(
The little one is gone, and so dies those genetics for me... which is very sad because I worked hard with that, in more of a frustration battle than simply work for progress. Lots of stress was put onto me by that strain, but I hung in there and had a plan... now its dead, no chance of survival, its been in a humidity tent all day since then and is just a noodle. My main reveg took some serious tinkering to bring back to life though. I've seen this before, in fact her first time growing... I have done things like this to her, just not this bad. And I would think the bigger the plant, the harder it is to recover... also the harder it is to harm. I adjusted the soil like I've never adjusted soil before, using 3 different soil PH testing methods, and 2 methods of testing fertility and the concentration of specific nutes, or even potential sodium buildups. Adjusted temperature, humidity, light distribution and strength, reduced any and all stress that I could from the few branches that I had tied into place. Then I whipped out all the nutes I had and, using some high school science class techniques, split out the excess nutes from solutions that I didn't need, and boosted the ones that I did need, in an effort to reduce the work it would have to do when dealing with excess nutes in the soil. Mixed it up light and distributed it to the roots in a slow even fashion to ensure it had a solid opportunity to draw in the solution even though its weak. So far some of the growth has bounced back strong, some is still gimpy... I think areas that were close to lights that naturally get hot were damaged worse, as well as areas that were more exposed to constant air flow vs being shielded by other branches/leaves. With what I've seen so far I expect a full recovery, and when it is recovered I plan to sledgehammer the soil and start over fresh with it to ensure she gets exactly what she wants...... God damn I hope I never have a daughter that cries in a toy store or I'm screwed.
I'm just really bummed out to lose my only sativa, since I personally don't have a means to order seeds online. Even though its legal for me, I still don't think it would look good if my company was audited and my business credit card statement said I bought marijuana seeds and used them as a tax write off, haha. "And these cannabis seeds... they do what to help the blacktopping industry for you...?" -IRS man.... try answering that question.
Oh wow I almost forgot one more thing I wanted to say. With the addition of my girlfriends failure to follow through with my requests.. (the 2nd request was that she make sure my flower room door is closed for darkness hours so their light cycles aren't messed up... she didn't do that either) and of course the care of my reveg and clones...
Basically, the words I would like to get across to all of you today to express my gratitude for the world and people around me are as follows.....
!!!! F.M.L. !!!!
Well it sounds like you've made every effort to get things back on track. Sorry to see it's a bit of a mess. Keep us posted on the progress. BTW... Is there nobody else who can be trusted to order seeds on your behalf? No head shops or anything you can go to in person to get stuff ordered and pay cash?
Perhaps I could try that I suppose... however honestly I would prefer taking a shot in the dark on sending a random person cash in the mail and have them pick something up or order for me. If I lose the money, big deal... I don't trust people around here, too many thieves. I've owned my current house for 1.5 years, got robbed last easter of all my tools during my home remodel project, which I started with a plan and ended up doing like 4X as much remodeling, so it got expensive. Then all of the sudden I have no more tools so the remodel stops, and I had to spend a ton of money to rebuy tools, and some of the ones were tools I use for my business which are extremely expensive. Then a couple months after that I had gotten home late, and was in my garage when all of the sudden the back door opened up a crack, then a hand came through with a flashlight.. my immediate/accidental response was to actually say "hello?", so they slammed the door. I pulled my gun out from my hip and took off after him but in that short amount of time he was gone, couldn't see or hear any movement. Definitely jumped into the small patch of woods behind my house and laid down... police wouldn't even bother searching in the woods they just drove around the block and then left... fuckin bullshit. I shut off all my outside lights and made it seem like I had gone back inside for the night, and snuck around the side of my garage and sat in the dark waiting... til my GF flipped the back light on and asked what I was doing.... derrrrrrrrr. I stood at the edge of the woods after that and had some very... 'colorful' statements to make towards the guy and then went in. Also had a 3rd robbery attempt but I've already rambled on too much. Ever since I bought my blacktopping company I haven't had much time to keep up with friends and what not, so its hard to truly trust anyone here for me.. I've been burned so many times in the past. I could care less if they take the money I give them for the order... I just dont want them to tell the wrong person about what I do and get robbed at gunpoint for it... so sad to see weed thieves come jack entire plants that aren't even fully matured enough to smoke well, just chop em off at the base and leave with it... morons.
Anyways, bottom line is I just don't want people around here, other than my small group of medical cannabis users. I got a couple free plane tickets from credit card rewards I was thinking about taking a little vacation somewhere that has amazing cannabis seed strain varieties available for purchase. As far as I understand though.. you cannot travel on a plane with seeds, correct? Even if I am legally permitted to within my state?
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I've just enjoyed reading through your thread from the beginning and just wanted to say what a great job you did/are doing. The re-veg girl looks a real beast and the young clones are doing really well. Hope you have the time to keep this going, it would be fun seeing her scrog and flower again.
I forgot to thank you for the comment when I read it a little while back, its great to hear that kinda response from people here. I haven't been growing for very long at all but I feel like everyone here has helped me along so much recently that I can almost consider myself a reasonably experienced grower.. or perhaps experienced isn't the right word because I haven't tried everything that I know now. I enjoy the ability to offer up advice and answer questions about problems people may be having, so I take the opportunity to do so anytime I can, just so long as I am sure that what I am saying is correct and not setting someone up for a mistake. Ya'll are the ones that filled my head with this knowledge in the first place, well, and google, but thats a given... nobody can compete with googles wealth of knowledge haha.
Anyways Rattling... Thank you and I appreciate it. I may not know you personally and you may live who knows how far away.. but it still means a lot to me to hear comments like that when I put so much time and effort into my growing. Which is great because I don't grow for money or anything, hell my primary goal isn't even consuming the bud once its finished.. mostly I just simply enjoy growing it and expanding my knowledge on plant biology so I can share it with others. I do believe cannabis should be a legal choice that people can make on their own, and when that happens nationwide, our country will need people like us to explain the true pros and cons of cannabis as it relates to medical practice.
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Seeds are tiny and easily secreted! ;)
Oh yeah I know how that works forsure, I just wanted to confirm the actual laws just for reference. Imagine a hardcore heroin addict or something smuggling heroin up his ass in portugal's big airport only to be x-rayed and then informed that its legal by the concerned, confused, security guard after a REALLY uncomfortable trip. Embarrassment? I'd think so haha, nobody wants to get caught smuggling something legal, you'd look like such a moron... plus security probably wouldn't know what to do with you. I'm sure its not a real common occurance.