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what were those quacks saying before the war?100,000 dead?200,000?what are we at now?1600?
as you should know,we didnt think saddams puny army was the threat,his housing of terrorists and support for it was the problem.the wmd plan was dumb i agree.but hey,we joined the 37 nations and intelligence groups that thought he did,oops.
now with democracy seeds being planted ALL OVER eastern europe and the middle east things are going better than ANYONE could have imagined.
Examples? Remember not to confuse 'the left' with 'the left' of deformed terminology of american politics.Quote:
its not that i think im right,its that all the lefts ideas are wrong.there are tons of stupid republican ideas,but we have the solutions.the left has none.
I find your ignorance and hypocrisy in defending the american empire breath taking.Quote:
i find it truly breath taking that you dont think there is terrorism.breath taking.
First I want to express my dismay at the idea that what exists now is anything like freedom. Second, whether or not the average person has 'lost any freedoms' is not quite relevant, COINTELPRO didn't target the old lady down the street now did it?Quote:
NAME 1 FREEDOM THAT YOU HAVE PERSONALLY LOST.JUST ONE.YOU CANT.
im sure you live in tyranny huh?sucker.
when you get in trouble i know for a fact you will come begging for help from the MOST POWERFUL NATION ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.
thats why i laugh at you.sheep being led to the slaughter seriously.its great.always good for a laugh.
makes my rich, white mans ,capitalist,republican,nazi,fascist,job go by so fast!LOL.
and thanks for using your psychic abilities to tell me that i might or might not lose my free speech.good job.lol.
oh god,there are nazis everywhere,concentration camps,gulags,is that stalin?
i bet he can help me save alot of money on my car insurance?lol.
What the hell are you talking about? Please respond to my comments.
that wasnt directed at you.
where do you live applepoptarts
Manitoba, what does it matter?
he pulled the same crap on me...everything i say is wrong because of where i live.
canada eh?your an exception dont ya kno.thats the way you were raised.
whos your prime minister?martin?sounds like your govt has some problems of its own up there.
i know we arent perfect down here,but we are alot better off than any other country on earth.sure,we have problems but we are BALLIN down here son.
The right will always prevail, eh? Funny cause I could have sworn every extremist right-slowly-approaching-fascist government in the world enjoyed a brief episode of power before crashing to the ground.
Your a fucktard.
Amstersam has allot of anger bundle up guys you will never tame him of his wild heart.
He is a fool nonetheless. and as you can see from my conversation with him he never really sets up examples. I dont think he is capable of doing it. and if this were a conversation face to face i would have walked away after his first ignorant comment.
but you know us "librals" we are aglutten for punishment. Amsterdam you truely are a moron that has proven himself to be inept at carrying on a conversation...
here do this .. sit down for a second collect your thoughts and write them down and then read them over a few times. you know, just to make sure you have said your piece. becuase i can tell by your broken posts that you have allot of thoughts going on up there but you lack the sensibilty to write it down in a clear manner.
as for "BALLIN" ya we are the top nation in the world, no one can take us down. so why build up the armed forces?? if no ONE can fight us already, we must be getting ready for... dare i say it?... more than one. Open your eyes before you drown in your own hate.
you also talk about these democratic seeds planted all over europe, but 2 posts ago your raveing about the terrorist and how im a fool to not be afraid of them.
you are the one willing to give up your rights no matter how small or big to an invisible threat. but its not your fault you have been conditioned that way. and we the "left wingers" forgive your ignorence.
[QUOTE=Stedric]The right will always prevail, eh? Funny cause I could have sworn every extremist right-slowly-approaching-fascist government in the world enjoyed a brief episode of power before crashing to the ground.
Your a fucktard.[/QUOT
your blame america mentality amuses me.it is all prevalent on the left.your liberalism crosses the line from criticism to anti-americanism when it shows a pathological hatred of america,and when it faults the U.S. for offenses you guys routinely excuses in the nations enemies.
are liberals incapable of the kind of practical moreal reasoning that foreign policy requires?it seems you are.most liberals are content with slogans that cant survive the slightest scrutiny."Violence never solves problems."this is manfestly not true.violence helped to end the regimes of adolf hitler and benito mussolini.the atomic bombs,however controversial their use,did solve the problem of un unyielding japan..violence ended the taliban.
another favorite of mine that lots of you guys post,"You cant impose democracy at gun-point."thats more liberal bullshit.In REALITY ,at the end of world war 11 america imposed democracy at gun point on japan and germany,and it has proved a RESOUNDING SUCCESS in both countries.the problems with liberals is that you guys dont wanna give guns a chance. :cool:
[QUOTE=Marlboroman]Amstersam has allot of anger bundle up guys you will never tame him of his wild heart.
He is a fool nonetheless. and as you can see from my conversation with him he never really sets up examples. I dont think he is capable of doing it. and if this were a conversation face to face i would have walked away after his first ignorant comment.
but you know us "librals" we are aglutten for punishment. Amsterdam you truely are a moron that has proven himself to be inept at carrying on a conversation...
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You think Amps bad. Ha! Wait till you Meet Torog if you haven't already.
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Originally Posted by Stedric
ah but see I fucking love guns, I am a republican in that sense if that can make any sense to you. Voilence did solve those conflicts, and the only one ill argue about is the taliban, Osama isnt dead and the Taliban isnt gone. so in this case violence only calmed amreicans minds. bombing afganistan and killing rebels and such wasnt a hunt for Osama. I would beleive we went over there and took out some of Osama's enemies for him before i would believe we went there for him.
why do you think we never really sent regular tropops into Afanistan?. wasnt cause we didnt need them, Osama is still alive so we obviuosly needed them.
they were not sent becasuse they cant keep their mouths shut, they would have talked about who we were actually killing over there. the fighting force was kept to elite forces like seal teams and airborn rangers, delta force, guys that wont blab about mowing down people.
In my eyes if the US really wanted Osama dead it would be so. we found Saddam in a hole... in a fucking hole...we set a bounty on his head. where is Osama's bounty? whats it set at?.. do you know off hand?.. seems to me if we were really after him thats info we would all know off the top of your head.
so in this regard no violence didnt solve a damn thing, except maybe ditch a few enemies for Osama.
I dont hate america its a wonderfull place to live. more oppitunity here than anywhere else i would say. atleast for me. I'm sure for some other places have been great and will be great in the future. my points are not pointing at hateing anyone im simply giveing out information.
oh and hey gratz on finally makeing an example.
you guys always need a picture with your lesson.it is all common sense and if you think about it instead of the typical knee jerk "your a moron defense" you might see things a little more clear.
i know you can do it.
and for the record,when i say liberal i am not talking about they're politics all the time.being a liberal is who a person is.it is what they think,they're virtues.it is what a person is made of.
none of my posts simply come out and say "your a moron" and thats it ive already backed that statement up.Quote:
Originally Posted by amsterdam
and what did I tell you about collecting your thoughts for a minute or 2?
and you appeared to be doing so well.
if the liberal didnt leave the conversation i had with them angry,i did something wrong.
LOL
I guess you did.
if you want to see where i come from in detail,read any book by Dinesh D'Souza.
he is a political mastermind.makes Rove look dumb.
Am, going back to your comment about our rights not being violated.
I just thought of this so forgive the back track.
You say that our rights have not been violated, but you cannot disregard that statement in the Patriot act.
you said the only example i have is something that hasnt happen yet.
correct me if im wrong but didnt we invade Iraq on MY very same concept?
Just seems to me that if you beleive in a war that was based on something that didnt happen yet, that in itself gives basis to my claim that our rights have been violated.
Peace.
that isnt why we went to iraq,what world do you live in.lolgood lord man.wow!
we didnt go to war with Iraq based on that he has weapons of mass destruction? he didnt use them on anyone but his own peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by amsterdam
and someone as closed minded as you shouldnt give 2 shits about some backwards ass country like Iraq.
so basically we went to war based on the assuption he has these weapons and is going to use them.
so if thats not what we were all told we went to war for what did we go to war for?... mind you I already know, but i doubt you do.
so if simply the threat of something happening is basis to invade... well god damn that new phrase in the patriot act starts to look pretty scary.
and just because it hasnt happen yet... well i guess your right none shouldnt feel threatened at all, we can all live our happy american dream lives...
they made that statement for a reason and they plan on useing it.
believe me, i agree the wmd idea was stupid,a blunder.every nation on earth thought he had wmd.alqueda had training camps there,he funded palestinian suicide bombers,and didnt abide by the un for 13 years.game over.we even gave his punk ass 48 hours right at the end.now his dumb ass is locked up ,his boys got popped,his country held free elections for the first time in 50 years where more people risked their lives to vote than people voted here.
look at democracy fires all over that region(wich the people who i talk to that LIVE THERE are very excited about.they say bush has big balls.
like i always say,more people protest the war in america than they do in iraq.lol.
the iraq war was a huge victory for george bush.on january 2 you saw what the real iraqis thought about it.as did the people in afghanistan,ukraine,egypt,saudi arabia,kuwait.
does it suck?to be on the wrong side of history every time?oh well.
That sentence (I'm using the term loosely) didn't make any sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by amsterdam
What does that have to do with anything? Do you sincerely believe that I just have an irrational hatred of Americans, that the nation-state is in anyway valid? I just can't imagine what you're trying to argue here.Quote:
whos your prime minister?martin?sounds like your govt has some problems of its own up there.
Who is 'we'? I'm not talking about some mythical abstraction called 'America', I'm talking about the concrete actions of the American ruling class.Quote:
i know we arent perfect down here,but we are alot better off than any other country on earth.sure,we have problems but we are BALLIN down here son.
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man would you please read what i have written and answer it accordingly?
im not talking about W's so called great actions im talking about the Patriot act and how it affects us as a society.
you however take what i say contort it a bit and toss it back out in yet another agrresive move towards me. meanwhile you dont stay on topic at all and 90% of your answers are one liners that in the end try to insult me.
something you need to know down there in TX son. Our skins here in NY are very thick. you have to try much harder than you have been to get me mad in any way. I assume thats your purpose for the things you say at the end of your posts and sometimes thats all the post is.
he constantly ruins every thread i start by posting multiple times and never even comes close to addressing anything specific, or related to the topic even...then tells us all that's refuted everything.
it'a quite amusing.
It's insane to try to carry on a conversation im finding. I think ill just ignore him from now on... but he makes it so easy.
[QUOTE=amsterdam]Ok Amsterdam, I don't agree with anything you just said, but me calling you a fucktard was much too harsh. I apologize although I don't expect you to care. I don't have a pathological hatred of Americans and if you'll scroll up a little, I was very careful to highlight my dislike for their GOVERNMENT, and not their good, hard-working populace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stedric
Where's the proof? How many times can I say it? Where's the proof? Our special forces were deployed to Afghanistan, because they are more suited to the job over there! Afghanistan is a much more rural and mountanous country, so its not as suited for the regualar army. You are naive if you think that Osama would have been captured if the regular army was there. Osama bin Laden has a massive terrorist network supproting him, and a huge country to hide in. These accusations that our troops are wantonly killing civilians are competely unbased, ignorant, and downright unpatriotic. Being a soldier is a honest job and a great service and you tarnish it by making these crazy claims.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marlboroman
Umm, I think the bounty for Osama is at about $50,000,000, which is enough for any Afghan to live like a king. Your ignorance is quite franky astounding. You thin that the US is some kind of omnipitent being? Our intellegence is flawed, as you have said, so how would we instinctively know where he is? I'd say Osama is probably smarter than Saddam, which is why he hasn't been captured yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marlboroman
Oh, and BTW, Amsterdam is one of the only people that even make sense on this website.
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Originally Posted by Hydrizzle
Ok you should go back and read the previuos posts because you are only seeing a portion of a conversation....
If you had read it you would have seen that I'm not claiming regular army would have caught Osama, I'm saying our troops were not there to capture Osama.
Afganistan is not a very large country.
I never said a single negative word about being a soldier as a proffesion.And I never claimed they are killing civilians.
your view that there is this massive terror organization is simple fear campaighn conditioning.
As far as being unpatriotic... well thats just not true. I love the United States, I simply dont like the political shift towards a police state. BTW even our founding fathers were called rebels, thats translates to terrorist allot these days.
Well since you seem to know his bounty I would question whether you looked it up beofre posting. But since you so wantingly throw the word igonorant around. Ill tell you whats really ignorant is to think that even a single Afgani would see a single cent of $50,000,000 to turn anyone in.
And as far as being smarter than Saddam, well shit I guess he would have to be to evade the worlds most fearsom fighting forces being a 7 foot giant with kidney problems.
Its so funny that you and your other so called "right-wing" pals hold our GOV and its long arm for justice in such high regard, yet you beleive them when they say they cant find this man. These are the same guys that can read a newspaper from space.
Truth is I hold their ability in even higher regard than you. As you beleive them when they say they cant find him,(makeing them incompitent)
I beleive they know just where he is.(simply makeing them liars)
the patriot act makes the founders and those who fought the revolution terrorists. literally, section 802 of the patrtiot act makes them terrorists.
Ya its just a shame more people dont say something about it. I'm guessing they dont want to be labeled "unpatriotic" or "terrorist".Quote:
Originally Posted by pisshead
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Hydrizzle
Ill have to LMAO at that one too!
me too!
LMAO ROFL LOL OMG WTF U GOT PWNED! DONT FK WIT DA L33TZ!