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I was told by a reliable source that the hold up was because the office in santa fe was over loaded with applicants/applications, so they relocated to larger offices and hired more employes to handle all the applications/cards. A lot of applicants are NOW getting their cards in the mail so NO WORRIES !! With all the card holders I hope you all can find good inexpensive meds with the shortage of product !?!
olliegrow WHAT do you mean "shortage of product". Just got a news letter from one of the producers that they are at 3-4 pounds a week and that is only ONE of them there are 25 come on now there is no shortage now or the near future. What has to change is the PRICE. Now we know what rate they can produce at so supply should not be the problem. What is needed is a price war one of the producers has had one strain at 8$ so it can be done.Quote:
Originally Posted by olliegrow
Unfortunately we are down to 24 producers. IMHO the prices will come down from all the producers once they have all been in business and producing regularly after year two. The producer that has a single strain available for $8 a gram has been producing for over two years already. We need to give the rest of them time and be patient.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfonso2002
Your right as usual CFO
YOUR right as usual CFO but when I look at the numbers 12.00x28x16x2.5 a week thats not to shabby.
Wow and I was going to ask if I came to NM already a card carrying Californian, I might get one quicker! Perhaps I should just stay in NorCal. Yep seems right.
willieboy At least for the time being.
Well, thank you! Not many will tell when I am right. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by alfonso2002
The numbers sound wonderful. Just received the newest e-newsletter from the most vocal producer and see that they are now up to 51,000 watts with five flowering rooms. WOW!!!! That is a lot of operating costs. I think they have a staff of 5 or 6 (maybe more), an office which they pay rent, utilities, insurance, etc., grow facility which even if purchased and not rented has the same costs. I am not saying they spend every dime they charge, but being patients themselves, they are working towards and have been giving the medicine at no charge to those patients with limited or no resources.
So although production may be up, the revenues may still only be covering costs. I don't believe for a minute that compensation is exorbitant and no one is getting rich. I think everyone wants a reasonable compensation and benefits from their employer and many of these producers have put in hundreds if not thousands of hours with zero compensation. No one really expects these producers work for free or even minimum wage, do they? How much would any of us want to be paid for risking jail time? (A normal work year is 2,080 hours and I am positive they put in more time than that!). So, now that production is up and prices are reasonable, they can finally get paid for their devotion to this program. We know that at least no one makes the money the pharmaceutical companies make.
So if I understand it can take 30-60 days to receive your medical card?:wtf:
yellowstone It should take no more than 30 days but right now I think the 60 days is more like it.
Not only can the price be lowered but the quality needs to be all medical grade, some of these places ive been to have sold me some poor medical product !! Not going to name names but Im sure Im not the only one supprised about quality of our medicine !! And as far as getting you card, because of the flood of applicants its now taken from feb 2011-still waiting for many people I know of, so can be longer than 4 months !! All you can do is email and call the hell out of them so they make this a priority !!
Wow and New Mexico is suppose to be compassionate!!
The participants in the program are compassionate! I guess not everyone is aware that the Medical Cannabis Program receives very little if any funding right now. The people that run the program are "borrowed" from the Harm Reduction Program. The producers ALL have a minimum of three patients on their board which constitutes more than 50% of the required number of board members (5 are required). Board members serve uncompensated. The numbers sound high, but not every producer can generate a pound a plant....especially indoors. Growing organically is a lot more expensive than sowing some seeds in the soil and letting mother nature take her course. Please be patient.Quote:
Originally Posted by yellowsnow
. Hey Ollie! I thought you only grow your own. ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by olliegrow
Learned this week that part of the problem regarding the delay is due to the cannabis expo. There were a lot of people there charging a lot of money and also telling patients they would get their cards in a week!!! Please! We all know the mail can take that long!!! But seriously... How can anyone expect three people to process over 1,000 applications in a short period of time. They were able to borrow more people and have been processing applications in the last few weeks. Be patient and compassionate to them too. They are required to answer the emails and the phones so if people continually do both, then they won't have time to process the apps because they are busy with calls and emails!
Ok I am at day 63 of the confirmed receipt of my packet at the DOH. I know for a fact that they cashed my check on
10-7-2011. That is like 19 days ago. Wouldn't compassion mean getting people in pain their medice in a timely manner? Wouldn't compassion mean trying to get the patients taken care of?
Sorry a little pissed and frustrated that my card is not here yet....
BTW do I detect a little tension in here amungst a few posters? lol
Again the system is backed up right now but DOH is doing the best that they can. If it was me and I had sent my renewal in and know that they had gotten it and I needed to put plants in or needed to do anthing with my garden I would do it and not worry about it.My renewal did come about a month late and that was about the time they started to get overloaded so ????
I am into week 7 on waiting for my renewal. I am lapsed and without medicine still. I have been having to go heavy on the opiates and sedatives. I am tired and upset a good deal of the time. They keep me dizzy and frustrated. I leaned over to to grab something from the bath tub corner and fell in sideways pushing my neck to the side really hard, so now I have to dip into my muscle relaxers as well. I want to call but I don't want to bog down the DOH with even more things to answer and do. Then at other times I feel like leaving them a scathing message, however this is no way to treat people who can approve or deny me. Every producer email I get seems to have a sale going on right now. I see what I could be getting but for lack of one little card, I can not have it. And that really sucks.
Sorry about your situation CosmicScorpio patients like you are the ones that are suffering the most from this delay in processing of cards.But not to worry the prices are on a slide now There is even one producer in Albuquerque that has all there strains at 200.00 an oz.Also one that has the interests of the patient grower in mind and has come out with a system for them to get the most out of there grow any more info you'll have to Friend me and then you can see my contact info
Let's see how compassionate New Mexico really is........I am about to be homeless.Anybody looking to hire a live-in grower/caregiver who comes with his own equipment,grow supplies,and experience? References available upon request.
Hey everybody, been trolling these boards for a good 2 months now since right before i sent my app in for my license. I sent in my app on October 5th, received in Santa Fe next day air on the 6th. Received my card yesterday in the mail, 11/15/11. Roughly 40 days. Not bad considering the time frames I've read about on here. The thing I've noticed....most people that are complaining about their card taking so long ALSO applied for the PPL at the time they applied for a new license. I did NOT. I highly believe that this is a huge factor in determining how long your card takes to arrive. Hope this helped some!
Looks like heads have rolled over this situation DOMINIC ZURLO is leaving. I for one will miss him he really wanted this program to be a success. But there was no money to hire more employees and this backlog just got bigger and bigger.So as an outcome someones head had to roll wrong place at the wrong time. I'm seeing a lot more apps moving through the system now but will still have a backlog for another 1-2 months.
That sucks.
Exactly 30 days for me.
Sounds like DOH is getting back on track.Well the producers had there meeting with secretary and alls good for now. The big news is that SFINM did not renew there license.
Dominick's leaving was of his own accord, as were the two ladies. To replace them, the Secretary moved 5 full time employees from other departments to do nothing but work on getting the apps flowing again. I don't know how any one could think that 3 part-time employees were going to handle over 1,000 applications! I'm disappointed that it took the loss of experienced personnel to get the Secretary to wake up and hire more people. Dominick has stated in the past the reason for the high renewal fees for the producers was to hire 5 to 7 full time employees. I am hearing that they are down to 2 weeks turn around. Now, if my brother-in-law would finally receive his PPL, that would be nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfonso2002
Are you kidding me? The first producer gave it up? Any reasons given? Such a shame that the program has lost any of the producers. Was there any word about replacing the two that didn't renew?Quote:
Originally Posted by alfonso2002
Hi CFO no reason given but they were at the 30.000.00 level so that might have had something to do with it.As far as replacing them rumor has it that DOH will be replacing them with 2 more .If they do it soon the new producers will have this first year free or almost free.
Interesting, the only producer to say NO to the Grower's Guild / Livingstone's lawsuit are folding up. Got some killer clones from them. Sorry to see them go. (Unlike DZ!!!).
They weren't the only producer to say NO to the Guild/lawsuit. I know of at least three producers that are having nothing to do with the lawsuit and at least one other that said no to joining the producer's guild. As far as I know, none of the current producers have anything to do with Livingston's lawsuit. It is a group of wannabes. It is also my understanding that the DOH will NOT replace either of the producers that did not renew at this time. There were rumors that there were 4 new producer applications being approved even before Dec. 1st. This was just that...rumor. No basis and untrue. The 23 remaining producers will be the only producers for some time to come. This information was provided to me by one of my clients with permission to post. (one of the producers which I cannot disclose) We are sad to see them go as well. Yes, their medicine was top drawer.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScaredasHell
CFO even the producers don't know what DOH is going to do about the 2 that did not renew. But I think 2 will be replaced. And as far as quality I never got any of there meds but they had a few years to learn what they were doing so they should have been there.
Alfonso, you might want to check with your producers. According to the three I work with the Secretary clearly stated there will NOT be any new producers anytime in the near future. But, she could just be blowing smoke to calm the fears of the other producers. RE meds from SFINM....Our family members have all purchased from SFINM and everything purchased was top of the line. A+ Their gardner works with some of the seed companies to create new medicinal strains and has been in Hightimes multiple times. (sorry not at liberty to disclose his name) Their patients are going to have to check out all of the rest of the producers to find comparable quality. The ones I work with are all getting there. They all have less experience. Len's meds are getting there too.
CFO then we will just have to wait and see.Don't get me wrong but the fact that there gardener was in high times dose not impress. And yes there will be a lot of patients looking for a new producer. Have your family members been informed by SFINM that they will not be around much longer. And yes the patients are the ones that have to make first contact with the producers as they do not get a list of patients from DOH.
OK I stand corrected (I think...) I spoke with Paul Livingston ESQ a while back, and I could have sworn he said SFINM was the only producer not in the (then newly-formed) Grower's Guild. I think this was b4 the lawsuit. I think I am confusing the Plaintiffs (DOH rejects / limbo-status) with the producers. If you think about it, the producers have no reason to sue (other than maybe the outrageous escalating fees)!
Not Scared
But, the real question, is can YOU do this?Attachment 280864 (Got taco leaf during flushing, a little over-ripe, maybe....)
Not Scared
Nice plant there notscard what strain you have there?
Thanks, my propriety stinky/skunky C-99 (acquired when C-99 was marketed as a low-odor strain) X Serious Seeds' AK-47. I call it AK X C99. Shoulda taken a photo a week ago before flushing, looked a lot healthier.
Not Scared
Nice Cinderella 99 Is that the clone you got from SFINM? I think one of the other producers has that strain also.Did you do the crossing with AK-47? For the pic it is what it is.
Actually, I brought the C-99 directly from the Brothers Grimm, b4 they went out of business in around 2001, did the X with Serious Seeds Ak-47 from Gypsy Nirvana, in Cali, brought quite a jar with me across the Desert, needless to say put them in the fridge in Needles, Cali (over 100), some variation but pretty consistent, stocked for the future!!! Still getting 90+% germ rates. I plan to cross this with "Mighty Haze Candy" from Dutch Flowers. Then - look out! PS pretty soon I'll post a pic of my last 10 pack of Apollo 11 from Brothers Grimm in original packaging. In 2002, $150. Today - priceless.
NOTscared
Good Luck with that I have a few seeds but I find it easier to deal with clones.
Yes I was all about the clones until I had mites for the 1st time, due to the extremely dry summer, or maybe it was just my turn, so I do both now. Clones finish about a week earlier, seedlings produce bigger tops, try to get the best of both worlds; man with 4 flowering plants at a time it's tough! If they'd up the limit to 6 I'd be quite happy. Or 12 like Arizona is right now.