1st grow

Sorry I bailed on you guys each night around this time for me the server gets too busy & boots me off..

Anyway I appreciate all your help & advice very much appreciated..!!

Ok so what I did after reading what you 2 wrote was I took them out of that small setup & put them in my ghetto box just until I have time to fixup the closet their going in..

The box is approx 3 feet tall (adjustable height) 2 feet wide & 18" deep the only light is the 55w 6400k CFL the box has a 120mm exhaust fan in the top with a 4"x4" intake hole in the bottom with a mesh filter as to not suck dust bunnies & whatever in..
There is also a smaller 2'x2" pc fan inside lightly blowing on the plants oh the box is also lined with tinfoil..I was going to paint it flat white but tinfoil was faster..lol
I hooked both fans to a adjustable power supply so I can control the speed @ 12v the temp inside the box is around 72* @ 9v the temps go up to around 77* but obviously less airflow..The humidity also fluctuates depending on how much I mist & fan speed but is usually around 30-40% is humidity not a issue with youngsters.?
The CO2 mixture I dont think is doing much anymore so may just get rid of that now that their perking up..

When you say 3rd 4th set of leaves do you mean like the actual fan leaves or just the tiny ones you see in my latest pics..?
Cause right now neither of them have the true "5" point leaves

Thanks alot guys

I was doing some googeling those neville's Haze TCH is @ 22.6 % ! omg what did I get myself into..lol

Also I have supernatural gro terra 20-20-20 I mixed up 1/2 strength & gave them a 2oz shot each yesterday & noticed a big growth spurt how often should I be giving them this & when should i switch to full strength..?

Peace

Tinfoil!!! That reminds me of Ricky from Trailer Park Boys. Get mylar, or if you really wanna spring for the good stuff, Orca grow film. It's more reflective than Mylar. Tinfoil is easy to crinkle, and will scatter the light every which way but loose. If you notice in the pictures on my grow log, the ones you just commented on? There's a wall of reflection in the back of the second one, and you can almost see my hand. I have a sheet of Mylar hanging on the back wall to help reflect light. If any of your friends grow, I guarantee they've got rolls of this stuff just lying around.

My humidity right now is 60% or so. Get a hygrometer. You can find them at a pet store in the reptile aisle. Perfect way to know how much humidity you have.

When he said 3rd or 4th set, he meant true leaves, not the leaves that came from the seed popping. The true leaves have between 3-9 'fingers', or so I call them. The ones at the very bottom, just above the seedling leaves, [at least on mine] have three fingers. Some have five. Most have seven, though. I've seen some bigger sativa's with 9, though.

Your CO2 system is much more advanced than mine. I go to the paintball store, have them fill a 20oz canister, and let it leak out in the room over night after I've sealed it up with tape. I also bought this CO2 generator that has mold spores that release CO2 as they decay the block they're in. It's got a one-way filter, so it's perfectly safe to keep in the grow room.

I'd say if they're responding to half doses, keep it like that. 20-20-20 has a lot of big numbers, but that doesn't really mean much. It just means the content. It could be derived from anywhere. It's like the difference between an ounce of espresso and an ounce of earl gray tea. One's more potent. The guy at my local hydro store said for the most part, bigger numbers isn't always better. I'd stick with half doses, unless you feel more adventurous. This -is- your first indoor, you're going to experiment a little and find out what works for you.

At the end of the day, this is -your- grow set up, and -you- need to make the final decisions. Nobody on this forum, unless we can see every aspect of your grow op, can accurately tell you exactly how much of what you need to use.

Yeah tinfoil i know lame right..lol Like I said Ghetto grow box..LOL

Yeah I saw that pic of your thats like flexible mirror..!
I gotta run to the store today I'll look for that & or maybe a smaller tent.
That paintball CO2 is a hella good idea I'll steal my sons tank for awhile..LOL
I have a hygrometer in there & thats why I mist so much is because it stays so low..30%-40% max in that box
When I do mist tho I rarely hit the plants with it so its not the weight of the water that caused the wilt it was the lack of humidty when I had them out of the box & tank for a couple days just sitting open under the CFL..
Yah the supernatural gro is what was suggested when I asked a friend of mine swears by it & she knows how to grow..!

Take Care
Peace.

I was googeling for a plant the same age as mine is this really how big its sposed to be..?
And people are commenting that its small..?? Its WAY bigger then mine.. =\

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Well, if someone more experienced than me says to do something, you do it :) I'll look for it next time I'm in the market for nutes.

When I mist, I make sure to spray the plant lightly; like a damp morning dew :D

I've heard really awful things about CFL's, but if it works, don't knock it.

If your son has a remote harness, it has the piece you need. Take the fitting that goes on the tank [you can get them at the paintball store for like, $15] and put a 90* elbow on it. Put a length of macroline in it, and turn it on ever so gingerly till it starts hissing out and doesn't stop. Put it down, set the hose above the top of your plants. CO2 is heavier than air, and will go down. Filter it through the top leaves, let it flow down to the bottom :)

Since you're in an enclosed growing area, maybe just turn it on for a few minutes at a time so you don't waste CO2? I dunno. Good luck mate.

The only thing against foil is its weak reflectivity and a chance that the crinkles will focus hot spots and burn your plants.

Since you just watered/fed, let the seedling dry out a little but not completely(just right around the stem). forcing the plants to search and suck the dirt dry before watering again will ensure steady growth.

Dont feed again until like the third watering from now. If they are showing growth signs, they should grow a node or two in that time.

And CFLs are fine for veg. Its in flower that they come up short compared to an HID.

This one plant was vegged under 4x26W CFLs
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I like your GrowBox idea all plants in 1 container
The most I'd do is prolly only 2-3 plants @ a time..
Next time you clean it out put a small fishtank pump @ the bottom with a check valve in the line so when you need to empty it just plug it in & away you go.. :thumbsup:
Unless you'd prefer the whiskey method ;)

I need to find a way to add & keep humidity in the box I have a fogger I use for my gecko tanks just for show effect but that would pump a bunch of moisture into the air..

hmmmmmm ghetto brainstorming :wtf:

Honestly? Smoke a little before you brainstorm. I always come up with brilliant ghetto engineering masterpieces when I'm faded. That's how I thought of the paint ball CO2 canister, or thinking of googling "Organic CO2 generator". Now I have a $25 piece of decaying fungus pumping CO2 in to my room. You should see half of the homegrown hydro setups I've thought up with pvc pipe, pumps, and fish tanks.

Anyway, you need to post a picture!!!

Whiskey, all the way ;)

I think the difference between 30-40% humidity like you have, and putting the fogger in.... would be like... Well, the difference between a nice afternoon and a sweltering amazon jungle with those little fish that swim up your urethra and lodge themselves there.

Maybe it's just me, and maybe it's the whiskey talking.... but damn do I hope you have a good harvest!

Well I went & plugged the fogger in & it quit workin so sorry M8 no pics..
Woulda been cool takin a pic of a fog all around the base of the plants with just the tops pokin thru..lol

but I did take a pic of the NH seed Im about to germ :)

I know their hard to grow thats why Im letting a friend put it in her grow room for me..:)

She'll know what to do with it..lol

Cool lookin seeds for sure..! Zebra lookin

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Thought I'd post some pics from this morning..
Their lookin better hey..?
Not as big as they should be I dont think ?
but hey their alive & growing :)
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This is honestly my favorite part. I love germing seeds, and seeing little sprouts and waking up every morning to count them... and I love collecting seeds. But I've found the one thing I love the most, so far, is the first set of true leaves. Five fingers, baby!

Yours seem to be doing alright. I'm cheering for ya, mate. Keep it up!

Thanks bud yeah I hope they do alright my next go round will only be better thanks to you everyone who helped me along the way & this site..! :)



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Haha, yeah. I get cancer, I kill Jack.

You're not even close to being done. You've still got like 5 or 6 more weeks to go. Do you plan to make any upgrades to your setup for the rest of the grow? For the next grow?

Is your friend going to raise the Neville's Haze entirely on her own, or does she get a zip as a reward? I'm guerrilla growing some LA Skunk for a black market bottom-level dispensary, his only stipulation on giving me the seeds was he could buy his zips for $150 an ounce or less. Growing for other people is tricky dealings, man.

Since your fogger broke, what are you doing about keeping the humidity up? That could be one of the reasons your plant is rather slow. Still on half-doses of nutes?

Im going to go buy a humidifier tomorrow I been messin with it all damn day tryin to fix it..Im done messin with it..lol
Yah Im gonna upgrade thinkin on going with 2 3' T5 strips plus this loopy light for veg & maybe ballast set up for flower and a real tent not a frkn cardboard box..lol
Not really sure how these autoflower's work how tall they get etc so still kinda guessing..

Oh she'll get most of what the Haze produces plus all the clones she'll get from it I'll just ask for a pinch..I still have 4 more seeds if they dont germ I'll ask for another freebie pack..LOL

Still on 1/2 nutes yep the growth today was pretty good the soil didnt dry out as much as I'd like so I could hammer them again with nutes but by tomorrow they'll get another dose..lol

Aside from the Dinafems I've seen in the magazines, most of them don't get over a foot and a half tall. 45 centimeters? The autoflowering gene comes from the Ruderalis plant.

Extracted from Wikipedia: "Although many authorities continue to class all varieties of the plant, including Hemp and Marijuana, as Cannabis sativa, it is widely accepted that there are three separate species or sub-species: C.sativa being most widely cultivated in the Western World, was originally grown on an industrial scale for fibre, oil, and animal feedstuffs, is characterised by tall growth with few, widely-spaced, branches; Cannabis indica, originating in south Asia, and also known historically as Indian Hemp, was cultivated for the drug content, with shorter bushy plants giving a much greater yield per unit height; Cannabis ruderalis is a hardier variety grown in the northern Himalayas and southern states of the former Soviet Union, having a more sparse "weedy" growth, and is rarely cultivated for the drug content "

And goes on to state:

"Cannabis ruderalis is a putative species of Cannabis originating in central Asia. It flowers earlier than C. indica or C. sativa, does not grow as tall, and can withstand much harsher climates than either of them. Cannabis ruderalis is purported to go into budding based strictly on age and not on changes in length of daylight.[citation needed] This kind of flowering is also known as auto-flowering.[1].

Cannabis ruderalis has a lower THC content than either C. sativa or C. indica; thus, it has little recreational use. However, C. indica strains are frequently cross-bred with C. ruderalis to produce plants combining a higher THC content with the hardiness and reduced height of ruderalis.[citation needed]"

Also, it really strikes me as odd that your distributor would replace seeds that do not germinate when most places sell them as souvenirs and directly state not to germinate them.

If you want to -see- how tall your plants are going to be, check my log. http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...o-strains.html I just posted a picture of me with my girls about 1-2 weeks from harvest at most.

In my humble opinion, you should supplement your 20-20-20 with some organic root booster. The bigger your root ball, the bigger your yield. I'm expecting four dried ounces for two plants.

Do not trim your first two sets of true leaves, ever. These will eventually, if allowed, grow in to separate branches with their own set of buds. I clipped one of them, and I'm really kicking myself for it.

Thats funny you said that I bought some boost yesterday along with the other nutes I'll eventually need & just gave them a watering :)
Hopefully they'll start actually growing like weeds..
I have 3g pots I should when their ready use 1 plant per pot right..?

Yah my distributor here has a "smoke coffee shop" so their not all that discreet about things..
They even send instructions on how to germinate them..lol
But must be unable to provide any info as they mature..

Sounds good Wicked :thumbsup:

Yes One plant per pot. Rule of thumb is 1 Gallon of dirt per foot of growth.
If you really think ur humidity is a problem, an upside down Tupperware bowl is as cheap as it gets. Or put the plant&pot in a slightly bigger tub and cover with plastic wrap.. either way, ull get the condensation/higher humidity.

Just for comparison, This was just given third feeding of 1/2 strength. Under 2x26W CFL. Fed every other watering. Also when it looks like this, is when I water.
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any new growth pics?

Stay up

If the rule of thumb is one gallon per foot, you could put two autoflowers in a 3g pot. Like I said. Foot and a half each.

Instructions on germing? God bless Canada :D

Good luck Wicked! Post some new pics!

Heres some pics I just snapped off in their new luxury apartment with waterfall & wading pool..LOL :thumbsup: This still doesnt keep the humidity up as high as I want it but it evaporates less quickly..

None of the new leaves have any kind of discoloration so it had to have been that soil I was using before.. Should I add a bit more soil to support the stem I do have a small pc fan blowing on them to strengthen it but it still looks like their too thin to support those leaves..

Thanks guys :)

Peace


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o0 New growth, lookin better man!

Na, no soil yet. the weight and wind will make it wanna thicken its stem (forcing more growth). As they get older, they like being deprived and damaged :D

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If the rule of thumb is one gallon per foot, you could put two autoflowers in a 3g pot. Like I said. Foot and a half each.

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Doesn't work like that:
-When they get bigger, the roots will fight each other, and one will likely win out and grow bigger, if not suffocate the other to death.
-If one shows a nutrient deficiency and the other doesnt, how do you up that specific nute intake on one and not burn the other??
-If one goes male/hermie, how do you pull it without damaging the roots system of the other??

Always think long term, stay green!

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o0 New growth, lookin better man!

Na, no soil yet. the weight and wind will make it wanna thicken its stem (forcing more growth). As they get older, they like being deprived and damaged :D



Doesn't work like that:
-When they get bigger, the roots will fight each other, and one will likely win out and grow bigger, if not suffocate the other to death.
-If one shows a nutrient deficiency and the other doesnt, how do you up that specific nute intake on one and not burn the other??
-If one goes male/hermie, how do you pull it without damaging the roots system of the other??

Always think long term, stay green!

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Thats a good point I would have never thought of one choking out the other..

approx how big will these guys be good for until i gotta plunk'em into the pots..?

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Now, with autos, they have a 'X' amount of veg days that are imprinted in their growth pattern. So you want to plant them in what will be their final home from seed(3 gal is fine)

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"if" I were you, i would transplant the two older ones in a week; Enough time to truly recover again.
For the small/new one that looks to just have sprouted, i would transplant ASAP.

Photo-period strains are a lot easier for first time grows, they are forgiving to mistakes.
But Auto strains require set-ups that are known to work. If they are stressed in any way, recovering takes away from veg and ultimately flowering.

Remember with autos, Once they pop, their countdown to finished product has begun.

Oh wow ok I'll get on that little one !

Thanks :)

Just a after weekend update now that Im getting over my hangover..lol

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Anyone know why this little guys leaves are rounded instead of pointy..?
The 1st set are rounded the the 2 new ones coming in are normal..
Its a 60 day wonder the same as what I already have growing..
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Lookin Green! All new growth looks in good condition, id say ur well on ur way man :thumbsup:

They Might be the same strain but that one could be a different pheno... grow her out, lets see if theres a diff.

As you can see I havent gotten around to planting that baby in the bigger pot
I gotta wait until friday for more lights..
Having only the 1 cfl I have to keep them all the same height.

Im debating on what I should get, go with T5's keep it simple with no heat issues or go with a HID & worry about the heat..

My space is only going to be maybe 2x2' or 3x3' but I could very easily make a hole thru the wall & vent into the crawl space..

I grow with a t5 and like it. But u have to keep it close so u still battle heat. My space is 4 x 2 and after putting in a 6inch exhaust fan m heat woes r over.

I'm a fan of my T5, but I plan to get a MH because I'm growing medicine for myself. The MH has a stronger discharge and can penetrate the canopy more effectively, meaning more buds further down the main stem on your Autoflowers. When your girls get closer to maturation, you will notice a thick main cola right at the top, and various other buds over the rest of the plant. The less trimming you do, the bushier it is, the more preflowers it will pop out. If you're growing just for personal recreational use, a T5 is alright. If you're a commercial grower or a medical grower, you'd probably want HID.

Just my two cents. I'm usually wrong though :D

K they are officially WEEDS..LOL

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And this tiny girl is "Destiny" a Nevilles Haze WOOT (no I didnt name it the chick Im giving her to did..lol)
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After putting that humidifier in there it stays @ a constant 55 & they seems to be loving it..! :thumbsup:

The T5 setup I want is a 4 bulb 2' hood their selling for about $130
Or I could go with a HID for about $200 + whatever I'll need for airflow
So Im not really sure what I should do..

I could get 2 sets of T5's And stand them on end on either side of the plants so they penetrate thru..?
Or 5 sets & make a complete enclosed light box..!! LOL

I really think either way u r gonna need an exhaust fan for heat.

Yah I already have a fan that could handle the T5's but if I go MH or HPS I'd go for a self contained closed unit which I think would be hella lots compared to the one I already have..lol

They actually make grow set-ups like what you're describing, Jack. It's an enclosed box with lights all around the sides, and one on top. I was also thinking of getting another T5, to shine in from the sides like you said. Heat is definitely going to be a problem for you when you step up to the big lights, but I noticed the Hydro stores have these self-contained 250w units. If you plan to stick to just a couple autoflowers, I'm sure that would be adequate light without throwing off too much heat?

Glad to see some big true leaves on your chicks! What're their names?

Friday cant get here soon enough damn their growing fast & definitely need a bigger source of light

Names...hmmmmm how about Wendy4 <<==(a google must) Daisy Duke & Jesse lol Plus the little critter Destiny

Heres a good product if one doesnt have a carbon filter just place a couple 2-3 in your grow room & stink is gonzo..

Sun]Sun Glo Odour Absorber, Fresh Scent - Canadian Tire, Toronto, ON, Canada Glo Odour Absorber, Fresh Scent - Canadian Tire, Toronto, ON, Canada

If it can take the stink out of the kids hockey bag I figured it would help with the "good stink" as well..lol

Ok well I dunno one of my little ones has pistils already !?
Is this caused by the stress of my newbness..?
Figured I'd snap off some macro pics for yah'll & check it out..

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None on this one yet..
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Im thinkin I should switch to 24hr light cycle so they can at least get a bit bigger ??

How much longer can these guys go after these pistils pop out..?

Shit after lookin @ that bottom pic I think I see pistils on her too..

From what I've found, autoflowers usually show there sex around day 15. I have no idea why yours are so late?