Poll: busted?

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Originally Posted by bkbbudz

"(C) could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy."

The above is quoted directly from an amendment of the FOIA, disallowing use of such information and making it unconstitutional to use any such gathered evidence against an individual.

Now, could the agency using the equipment to compile evidence turn it over to other authorities as a 'whistle blowing' tactic, yes. Is the government spending BILLIONS of dollars and man power hours going door to door to collect such evidence in a useless attempt to destroy every single cannabis plant in existence and simultaneously putting probably 2/3 of the populace in jail because of all illegal activities that may be going on in all our homes? I think not, but I could be wrong. I just hope our Freedom and personal privacy rights have not diminished to the point where door to door spying is seen as an acceptable practice.

This and the last post are all I will write on this subject, I have dismissed the paranoia and do not wish to :beatdeadhorse: myself. Peace all, keep posting and voting on my poll please.

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Perfect awareness is not PARINOIA.. you hit it on the head with 'whistle blowing tactics', now the rest of your comments go to the fact, yes we are being spyed upon and to think anything else is not reasonable at all..and no the are not going to go house to house using FLIR...

I simply pointed out.. IT IS THERE FOR THEIR USING FOR WHAT EVER CLAIMS THEY MAKE..and they do make some outright B.S. claims.

They used it on a Wa. Patient whom had ONLY six little plants... I mean little. So just be AWARE.

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Originally Posted by jamessr

Perfect awareness is not PARINOIA.. you hit it on the head with 'whistle blowing tactics', now the rest of your comments go to the fact, yes we are being spyed upon and to think anything else is not reasonable at all..and no the are not going to go house to house using FLIR...

I simply pointed out.. IT IS THERE FOR THEIR USING FOR WHAT EVER CLAIMS THEY MAKE..and they do make some outright B.S. claims.

They used it on a Wa. Patient whom had ONLY six little plants... I mean little. So just be AWARE.

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Thank you for your input, I am now aware. Please let it go, what are you the energizer bunny? LOL!, JK, no offense meant. Have fun and for God's sake BE CAREFUL OUT THERE!

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Originally Posted by bkbbudz

Well said:thumbsup:

I am in my mid 40's been using cannabis since 1979. In all that time I have been involved in some pretty risky business when it comes to enjoying the herb. Even buying a small quantity from a trusted friend is not safe. Some cop may be working him/her to try to get to his supplier. Anyway, I have never ever had a single run in with the police over MJ. Actually, I have only ever spent 1 night in a lock up cell for having open alcohol in a car on the way to see Iron Maiden when I was 17 and I was not even drinking! I lost the 1/8th of budz I had because I ditched it where they were processing all of us youngens (must have had 25 of us), the cops never detected it though. Turned out too be an ok night though I was able to drop the 3 purple micro dots I had before they locked me up but, I digress. I know people that go into the 'bad side' of town to get dime bags of schwag, at 'grab ond go's'. There is an area in my (and probably every one else's neighborhood) when you drive through it at least 5 guys will try to whistle you down and sell you every substance known to man. I am quite sure buying pot is much riskier than growing a small personal use only crop. IMHO.

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You, are a wise man. Thanks for sharing your youth with us. I have a few tales to tell maybe someday. Some good, some bad, some just to let another learn from it. I really appreciate posters like yourself that are willing to share some truths. There are so many out there that spread hate and malice in threads.

Hope we'll get to know each other better in the future. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by bkbbudz

Thank you for your input, I am now aware. Please let it go, what are you the energizer bunny? LOL!, JK, no offense meant. Have fun and for God's sake BE CAREFUL OUT THERE!

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No offense taken at all.. we all need to be educated on our governments tactics against us... glad I could help...it is us against them..

Lynhal,

It is not nor ever is my intent to spread fear, hate or any thing of the sort.. It is purely educating us patients in the law, tactics of LEA/LEO... do you see anyone else trying to do this ?? I mean matching our conduct with the law/caselaw to make sure we are not fooling ourselves in false beliefs....

Most who ready my threads/posts get insulted, not because I come out like[that other guy] using words like that but, because most are not educated in the laws/caselaw and get bent-out of shape when I post the legal stuff...

Why, because 99% here don't understand the laws, if they did, they surely wouldn't be here asking...and no-one else has the answers...

At that end, I hope I clarified for you my INTENT.

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Originally Posted by jamessr

No offense taken at all.. we all need to be educated on our governments tactics against us... glad I could help...it is us against them..

Lynhal,

It is not nor ever is my intent to spread fear, hate or any thing of the sort.. It is purely educating us patients in the law, tactics of LEA/LEO... do you see anyone else trying to do this ?? I mean matching our conduct with the law/caselaw to make sure we are not fooling ourselves in false beliefs....

Most who ready my threads/posts get insulted, not because I come out like[that other guy] using words like that but, because most are not educated in the laws/caselaw and get bent-out of shape when I post the legal stuff...

Why, because 99% here don't understand the laws, if they did, they surely wouldn't be here asking...and no-one else has the answers...

At that end, I hope I clarified for you my INTENT.

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I can respect that.

BWD

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Originally Posted by jamessr

Lynhal,

It is not nor ever is my intent to spread fear, hate or any thing of the sort.. It is purely educating us patients in the law, tactics of LEA/LEO... do you see anyone else trying to do this ?? I mean matching our conduct with the law/caselaw to make sure we are not fooling ourselves in false beliefs....

Most who ready my threads/posts get insulted, not because I come out like[that other guy] using words like that but, because most are not educated in the laws/caselaw and get bent-out of shape when I post the legal stuff...

Why, because 99% here don't understand the laws, if they did, they surely wouldn't be here asking...and no-one else has the answers...

At that end, I hope I clarified for you my INTENT.

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You have your intent to educate. I'm all for it. I just don't feel good when anyone might compromise the situtation of any other MMJ patient or the like due to their own hurt feelings. We are all human. Born to make mistakes.

I find no fault to anyone unless fault is warrented. I have lived a very painful life watching people die in my arms of love trying to calm them and shelter them from the storm they believe is coming and what not. Too painful to even go into and not something I want anyone to think about at night when they lay their heads to rest. It's my lot in life. I chose it and deal with it on a daily basis.

Please, don't hurt anyone with your wraths you may feel are warrented. I know what you feel, but try to overcome it. I would really appreciate it. Love is so hard to come by in this life. Please, if anything before I leave this planet, I want you all to love each other. The Good, The Bad and The Ugly. (great western flick by the way)

1. King County v. Gabriel trial starts tomorrow
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King County v. Bryan Gabriel starts tomorrow morning, and is expected to last 3-4 days. This is the case where the Snoqualmie Police aggressively targeted a medical cannabis provider by strong-arming an epileptic patient who ultimately died because of the stress of the whole affair. See:



* HorsesAss.Org » Blog Archive » A Drug War Tragedy in Snoqualmie



Note that this trial is moving forward in King County, that medical cannabis Shangri-La where patients are free from prosecution and protected from police harassment. Pray that the gods ruling over this mythical land can move to ensure the rosy and beloved world view of their devout believers be not shattered with harried action uncritical of fallible public servants and unresponsive to the wishes of their people. And also, if you can make it, show up Judge North's court room in downtown Seattle this week.

NOW DON'T THAT EXPLAIN IT ALL !! OUTRIGHT LAW BREAKERS LEO IS !!!

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Originally Posted by Lynhal

You, are a wise man. Thanks for sharing your youth with us. I have a few tales to tell maybe someday. Some good, some bad, some just to let another learn from it. I really appreciate posters like yourself that are willing to share some truths. There are so many out there that spread hate and malice in threads.

Hope we'll get to know each other better in the future. :thumbsup:

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Thanks! I just sent you a friend request so I am sure we will "see" each other on here again!:D

And yes, I have seen some posts that are written for the sole purpose of insulting and negative criticism. personally i don't get it. But, some people apparently have such pitifully horrible and meaningless lives that need to try to share their misery with every one who has the misfortune to cross their path. I would much rather spark, toke, and pass...makes things so much friendlier and easier, huh?

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Originally Posted by jamessr

1. King County v. Gabriel trial starts tomorrow
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King County v. Bryan Gabriel starts tomorrow morning, and is expected to last 3-4 days. This is the case where the Snoqualmie Police aggressively targeted a medical cannabis provider by strong-arming an epileptic patient who ultimately died because of the stress of the whole affair. See:



* HorsesAss.Org » Blog Archive » A Drug War Tragedy in Snoqualmie



Note that this trial is moving forward in King County, that medical cannabis Shangri-La where patients are free from prosecution and protected from police harassment. Pray that the gods ruling over this mythical land can move to ensure the rosy and beloved world view of their devout believers be not shattered with harried action uncritical of fallible public servants and unresponsive to the wishes of their people. And also, if you can make it, show up Judge North's court room in downtown Seattle this week.

NOW DON'T THAT EXPLAIN IT ALL !! OUTRIGHT LAW BREAKERS LEO IS !!!

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I read the story in the link, most unfortunate. yes these people are certainly victims of the so called 'war on drugs'. But again, I do not intend to sell, distribute, give away, trade, barter, or even tell another living soul what I have in my closet. The authorities have no reason at all too suspect I am doing anything illegal at all. They are NOT sitting in front of my house with FLIR or any other equipment and as long as I never do anything to draw attention to myself or to allow them to 'make an example' of my grow, they NEVER will be. The people in your story were drawing attention to themselves and seiing as they were distributing without the necessary 'permissions' they became targets. Did they deserve what happened to them, no. But neither does Marc Emory. They raised suspicion on themselves. That is why they were caught and made an example of.

If I am wrong though my friend, after I pay whatever cost I am forced to pay and get out of jail, I will come home, log in and publicly apologize to you for ever having doubted you. Fair enough?

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Originally Posted by bkbbudz

I read the story in the link, most unfortunate. yes these people are certainly victims of the so called 'war on drugs'. But again, I do not intend to sell, distribute, give away, trade, barter, or even tell another living sole what I have in my closet. The authorities have no reason at all too suspect I am doing anything illegal at all. They are NOT sitting in front of my house with FLIR or any other equipment and as long as I never do anything to draw attention to myself or to allow them to 'make an example' of my grow, they NEVER will be.

If I am wrong though my friend, after I pay whatever cost I am forced to pay and get out of jail, I will come home, log in and publicly apologize to you for ever having doubted you. Fair enough?

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This be the way I sees it to my pilgrem friend no body nows of me and my plant and its going to stay that way I will cuntinue to sleep with both eyes shut with no problem.

BWD

I don't see much difference in a patient badgering a doctor to sign an authorization that is far, far greater then the normal legal limit per patient of 15 plants total. :what: We rarely hear of things like that until something happens. It jeopardizes the doctor's too. :wtf:

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Originally Posted by bkbbudz

I read the story in the link, most unfortunate. yes these people are certainly victims of the so called 'war on drugs'. But again, I do not intend to sell, distribute, give away, trade, barter, or even tell another living soul what I have in my closet. The authorities have no reason at all too suspect I am doing anything illegal at all. They are NOT sitting in front of my house with FLIR or any other equipment and as long as I never do anything to draw attention to myself or to allow them to 'make an example' of my grow, they NEVER will be. The people in your story were drawing attention to themselves and seiing as they were distributing without the necessary 'permissions' they became targets. Did they deserve what happened to them, no. But neither does Marc Emory. They raised suspicion on themselves. That is why they were caught and made an example of.

If I am wrong though my friend, after I pay whatever cost I am forced to pay and get out of jail, I will come home, log in and publicly apologize to you for ever having doubted you. Fair enough?

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Here be somtin' you all may be interested in! :thumbsup: More info in the main page too!!! :cool:

This Week's Corrupt Cops Stories | StoptheDrugWar.org

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Originally Posted by BackWoodDrifter

There is some validity to this statement as well unfortunatly but not all pilgrems are as easy to do this to and this BAD cops need to do research on who they be settin up before they be doin it cause there be one thing a bad cop aint goin to want to do is run into the likes of someone like well me ;)!
As for these here bad apples they are few and far between in most cases and once they be out as bad cops there departments use them as sacrificial lambs when it needs to save face from its communities. They may be out there but it comes to them all in the end. I do have independant knowlege and exsperience on this subject :D

But true its unfortunate it happins

BWD

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Originally Posted by gypski

Here be somtin' you all may be interested in! :thumbsup: More info in the main page too!!! :cool:

This Week's Corrupt Cops Stories | StoptheDrugWar.org

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;)

BWD

Do you live in a high grow area man if so do your chances would a little higher. but I think they would never find out

with a grow that small dude.

By far, shooting your mouth off is the biggest attractant.

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Originally Posted by jimburke

chances of getting busted, slim to none. flir reads heat(ir) not plants.in doors use mylar, good insulation and a dryer vent or chimney.the heat signature of two 1000k lights would look like a glowing blob. next they will probably check light bill. they are after the cost effective busts.something they can get press and funding, not wasting tax money chasing cancer patients,or small timers.remember with flir you have distance,a moving object and vague resolution.(blurry image)plus conflicting heat sourses. i'm x military intel photographer.u.s.n. most people get busted for something stupid ie; x girlfriend, smoking joint at red light,landlord etc. so keep low and quiet and good luck.
jim b

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I know this is an old thread but thank you. this thread has kinda deviated off topic a bit :stoned: but I'm pretty sure led would have no heat sig or nill and cfl would, but they are used commonly today in most homes, so I don't see that triggering a 'hit'. i think would think that using one of those two, in combination of course with telling absolutely no other pilgrem in the whole world, one would be safe.

especially if you live in CO or WA :greenthumb: there just get the biggest brightest highest wattage light you can find and let her fly. :) you lucky dogs, you.

plus cfl's likely have less heat that normal incandescent light bulbs, so I would think you could have quite a few before you even match the heat of standard 100 watt light bulb, so i'm just not seeing how they could catch you with flir and/or electric records. high wattage hid lights, yes, cfl and led, i don't think so. i would be interested in seeing one documented case where a small personal cfl or led grow was busted with flir. i would say its impossible but i'm no expert.