correctionsQuote:
Originally Posted by omnibuddy
1. Vortex, 1st gen clone (top), from seed/mom #3
2. OG Larry, 1st gen clone (top)
3. Unknown Seed, Nicknamed "Lemagranite", 1st gen clone (top)
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correctionsQuote:
Originally Posted by omnibuddy
1. Vortex, 1st gen clone (top), from seed/mom #3
2. OG Larry, 1st gen clone (top)
3. Unknown Seed, Nicknamed "Lemagranite", 1st gen clone (top)
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OG Larry is growing very fast. I spent several hours with two friends today work on the space. Completely covered floors in Panda Plastic, nearly finished light proofing, and rearranged the plants.
OG Larry is now in position to begin Flowering. Hopefully this weekend I will finish the light veg box ventilation so I can close it up and switch Larry's light.
Here are her newest photos:
OG Larry Update 1 of 2
OG Larry Update 2 of 2
Here are a couple of shots of the 9 seedlings. I have moved them out of the humidity dome and into the newly redone veg room. They are looking great!
Using plastic bags for pots was cheap, and I'm worried because they don't allow the soil to dry enough. I hope they do not get root rot or anything...
Seedling Update 001
Seedling Update 002
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Here is a shot of the new layout. There are actually three or four plants you cant see in there too.
Veg Room Update
You should be able to attach pictures to your posts in the advanced mode by now.
Are you running those UVB lights 18/6? How are those working out?
Hi,Quote:
Originally Posted by bigsby
Thanks for the question. I run my UVB 24/7 at the veg stage. One of the benefits of these lights is at they provide a broad spectrum white along with the UVB. Because I am using 4 band veg lights and 2 band flower litd, the white is very important filler spectrum.
The UVB light a supposed to make the plant my hardy. Larry is extremely healthy but i have not run ctrols yet.
The fact is the greatest benefit is supposed to be during the floweering cycle because UVB is dictly involved into the THC production process. I don't yet fully understand how.
The main problem is that physical contact between e UVB bulb and plant causes severe burns and complete destruction of that portion of the plant. With how fast the plants grow it I have burned several leaves, so caution is required.
Any link to how to do this or brief description would be rep-tacular! I spent another 30 minutes trying and gave up.Quote:
Originally Posted by khyberkitsune
Honestly I think my login may have issues; I even had to ask the admin to authenticate me manually, and it may have had less than optimal results.
Click on quote on my post and it should bring you to an advanced text editing field.Quote:
Originally Posted by omnibuddy
Scroll down below the smileys and you should see something that says manage attachments (it's a button.) Click on that (make sure pop-up blockers and script blockers are disabled for this site,) and you should get a pop-up window with 5 uploading slots.
You only get 5 uploaded attachment pics per post.
Got all of the light proofing done and put in an exhaust fan today. Midnight tonight OG Larry see's her first nightfall. (=Quote:
Originally Posted by omnibuddy
yay!
Let's hope you can upload pics now.
Hope she's not scared of the dark lol.
Good to read things are going well there.
Good job so far with your grow. Who is the manufacture of your lights?
Hi TheCheese,Quote:
Originally Posted by TheCheese
The lights I have were designed by a friend of mine. He orders them from overseas based on the schematic. We still believe that the best use of LED also involves support lights. Specifically I use 6500k florescent lights in veg for better root growth and broad spectrum white overlay. I then use a combination of quad-band Veg led lights and dual-band flower led lights. Lastly I use 156 watts of UVB in flowering to encourage higher THC production.
So as OG Larry continues to flower it is nice to be able to note that my clone has rooted and is showing new growth. I am very happy because this is my first attempt to make clones in order to continue the strain. I hope to continue learning quickly and move directly towards a long term bonsai-mother type of scheme in order to maintain my strains.
The main reason for the bonsai-mother is of course to keep the plant count down. The limits are pretty strict here. I hope to have five strains available on this plant. Whenever I am ready to start a new clone, I will just take a cutting of the strain of my choice.
I also picked up a new plant. This is a 707 Headband clone, 4th gen, that was about 12 to 16 inches and in flowering. I am immediately reverting it into veg and have begun training it into a spiral. I will post some pics at some point so you can see how I am training this sativa. The goal is to create a small bushed sativa instead of a tall one. I have given it about 6 gallons of soilless mix in a pot as I intend to grow this plant fairly large.
OG Larry is truly a beast! I have transplanted from a 5 gallon to a 15 gallon last Sunday. The plant is so large already; I can only imagine what the next 45 days of flower will bring!
The stem is insanely thick. All of the little bud points are covered in white hairs and I see trichomes appearing on the bud leaves and all around the flowers themselves.
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2 words *pictures please!* lol wow 15 gallon pot he must be a beast now :)
I had a go at bonsai- ing my girl a couple of weeks ago. It was quite nerve wracking making the first cuts on her roots but afterwards she never looked back and now looks better than ever. Its a very handy method to learn I think when keeping a mum/mum's.
Root trimming is almost a necessary skill to pick up when dealing with small potted plants. The ability to control the overall plant size is quite helpful.Quote:
Originally Posted by rattlingdags
I had posted several posts that got lost in the forum update. Been to lazy to repost.Quote:
Originally Posted by rattlingdags
These are all photos coving a period of time before the transplant to 15 gallons.
All OG Larry Flowering In 5 Gallon Shots:
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This is not my plant, but I thought I would share. The plant has been transplanted to the outdoors and is mite infested. Makes me so sad! I gave her AzaMax so hopefully that helps.
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Here we go, the first 15 gallon pics of OG Larry 1. Let me know what you all think! This is my first plant actually; but I'm a fast learner. (=Quote:
Originally Posted by rattlingdags
If you look closely you will also notice the lights changed from the 5 gallon to the 15 gallon. She is now under:
12/12
(6) 26 watt UVB
(2) 2-band 120 watt Flower LEDs
(1) 4-band 90 watt Veg LED
I have ordered another 120 watt Flower and another 120 watt Veg. This will allow me to re-situate the lights soon as:
Flower 12/12:
(6) 26 watt UVB
(4) 2-band 120 watt Flower LEDs
Veg 24/0:
(4) 20 watt 6500 K T15
(2) 4-band 120 watt Veg LED
Clones 18/6:
(1) 4-band 90 watt Veg LED
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Looking pretty good!Quote:
Originally Posted by omnibuddy
Now go find yourself a Kill-A-Watt meter and find out how much your lights are really drawing.
Turns out a HUGE amount of panels sold by the Chinese are NEVER pulling the power they claim. I've just found out that a large majority of my new 3w stock never gets within 50% of it's rated power draw, and that ticks me off to no end. I've stopped my store until those sneaky SOBs fix this, and I'm currently in the process of kissing a LOT of customer ass because I let this slip by.
Watch your 120w pull around 80-90w and your 90w pull around 60-70.
Apparently this is business as usual in China.
I tested one, it pulls 83 watts and says 120 watts. I will have to begin research into this as it is not my area of knowledge. Of course we also know that the integrated fan system takes watts too, though I do not know how many.Quote:
Originally Posted by khyberkitsune
More to come as I learn more about this. Please post anything helpful you may know about this khyber.
Quote:
Originally Posted by omnibuddy
Basically you just got sold a lie. ANSI and IEC standards pretty much state that a light's wattage must be advertised to within 10% accuracy of the actual power draw. 83 watts out of 120 watts means 30% off.
And the Chinese aren't going to stop this until people call them out and they lose major face. That's just the way of doing business in Asia.
These are the same people that made toxic baby formula and sold it. If they are willing to kill babies for a dime, then this is a drop in the bucket. At least the lights work well, but it always sucks to be lied to.Quote:
Originally Posted by khyberkitsune
Got my first boy yesterday. I destroyed the plant. So far only 1 in 5 was a boy! 4 more to go...
Here's hoping no more males show!
And so far they're working well. Let's see the end results before we come to a conclusion, but I'm still pretty unhappy about the wattage issue. The fans shouldn't be taking more than a few/several watts each (typically 12V@200-300mA) so I'd bet more on your panel diodes getting about 70-75w total.
Of course, this DOES mean that your (hate using this term) grams per watt jumps up! Also, this means your grams per kilowatt-hour goes up as well! Either way, this does mean a performance increase, but it's still dishonest advertising.
Do you know of any good companies to order custom LED panels from? Maybe a US one or something? It looks like I will have to find a new source.Quote:
Originally Posted by khyberkitsune
Hi Again!
Here are some Photos from today showing OG Larry 01. They are a bit Blurry but you should be able to see as much detail as you need. The flowers are becoming powered with crystals and they are growing like mad!
OG Larry 01 Time Line
About 7 Weeks In Veg:
01/07/2011: Hypothesized Veg Start Date
01/23/2011: Date I Took Ownership Of Plant
About 5 Weeks In Flower
02/21/2011: Date Lights Move To Flower
03/26/2011: Today's Date
Here are some photos for you to enjoy:
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So all I really know about this plant is that it was a seedling and that it was called Larry OG.
I found this information on Google from High Times that seems to be about my plant:
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The information they are providing is 9 to 10 weeks flowering.
I am still waiting on another light for my flowering system, but unfortunately I ran out of time and had to move these three beasts into flowering. There are two driving factors behind this decision. First my Veg space is full, so I really needed to clear up room in there. Second, I am working towards a revolving harvest on a 30 day cycle.
I first transplanted these plants to their 5 gallon flowering pots. All of them are looking happy and healthy.
Links
I found these links which were helpful to me in understanding more about my strains:
1. Pineapple Punch: Pineapple Punch Marijuana Strain
2. Lavender: Lavender Marijuana Strain
3. Vortex: Vortex Marijuana Strain
Vortex Photos: (pre-transplant, shown in 3 gallon pots)
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Sure it induces some mathematical changes in your calculations and predictions. It also hurts the image of LED technology; folks will buy a 120watt and wonder why it works poorly while unbeknownst to them it is really 70 watts of LED light not 120... The primary affect of their trickery is the bottom line: higher hardware costs per watt. Including more lights needed to reach the required watts, including additional power bars, extension cords, timers, etc... needed when adding additional lights.Quote:
Originally Posted by khyberkitsune
Sure as shit adds up fast! Can easily require another $150 in electrical setup on top of additional lights. This is about $750 hardware cost to me total to get the watts up...
Lavender 001:
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Pineapple Punch 002:
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Tested my "90 watt" and it pulls 65 watts.Quote:
Originally Posted by omnibuddy
Interestingly, my 40 watt T15 ballast runs 30.5 watts.
It sounds like the lesson is to test all of your lights, fans, etc... I bet some of that other stuff doesn't pull what it says.
Thats very interesting regarding testing wattage. I've been very happy with my leds to date so haven't considered testing what their true wattage is, but might do just for interests sake. Its not terribly surprising to me though that Chinese made appliances are not what they seem - its a shame all the same yeah.
Can I ask Omni what distance you have your young plants from your leds? I have a low height vege area and occassionally the taller ones get a touch of light bleaching, and I don't think its the PL-L thats in there with them. Just curious.
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Originally Posted by rattlingdags
In general I keep them about a foot away, but I have kept them as close as three inches. I don't seem to get any bleaching issues except when I put my UVB bulbs too close.
On a side note, my friend does get burning with high higher watt LEDs. I think these 120 watt (80 actual...) are low enough wattage to avoid burning.
Personally I would prefer several low wattage lights compared to fewer high wattage lights. This allows a better spread of the light over the canopy area, helps avoid burning, and such... Of course it also means more power bars, timers, extension cords, etc... so it costs a bit more.
Well my LED guy fell through on some used LEDs that I was supposed to get, so I decided instead of waiting another month for a new order, I would get some more lighting diversity!
I picked up two ballasts with 108 watts of 3000k lights in each for flowering. These should make a nice addition.
I got one today, and the other will arrive tomorrow.
I will post some pics soon!
I finally had to make my space off limits for the lil' cats. My older cat decided that he did indeed think it was fun to chew on fan leaves on the flowering plants only... Odd, but hey, thats a cat with some damned good taste in chronic! Maybe cats can predict bud ripeness in addition to earthquakes? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by rattlingdags
Honestly, I could handle the eyes on the cats when they were in there, but the hair was the final straw!
Turns out those sticky icky buds and bud leaves keep catching little cat hairs. I clean the entire space once every one to two weeks, so after the last cleaning it became off limits to em.
Oh dear I'm not too surprised about the cat hair sticking. They probably think your growing the plants specially as a treat for them. Dogs have owners, cats have servants type of deal lol.
I find I have to tie my hair up before going into the girls now as on a couple of occasions I spotted hair draped around the tops. My husband even finds my hair in his tabacco and grumps thats its the worst tasting s**t ever, and has threatened to make me wear a hair net (!) in case it gets into the harvest.
LMFAO......... hair in the tobacco/on the buds....... sounds like me with my wife. Roll up a cigarette, got a damn wife hair in it. I pull her hair off the plants everyday!!!!! My dog don't even shed that bad LmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by rattlingdags