Petition filed with Supreme Court to challenge 1284

I would've been surprised had it turned out any other way. I don't know the exact composition of this Court, but remember that many judges are ex-prosecutors, and most are very "establishment."

keep going Kathleen. One step at a time, this will happen.

Good things come to those who are patient. Baby steps aren't always a bad thing. It was meant to happen, just not as fast as we would like.

Does this petition delay the parts that will be implemented some time this year?

[quote=Zedleppelin]Well The Supreme Court already denied hearing the petition......
They want to run it through the lower courts, this gets more lawyers and our Justice? System more revenue they are going to milk this cow hoping Kathleen will run out of coin, we need to support her if we can.:thumbsup:

Keep fight Kathleen! you hav the support of the majority, nevermind the giant mmc and crooked pot lawyers who fight you tooth and nail.. stay strong..

We support you and will try to help anyway we can.. D9 will figure something out to help.. Maybe I can blow all this trim layin around and donate all the proceeds to yr cause.. GM and D9 could probubly put out collection boxes for you as well.. most imporatant THANK YOU for your patriotism from all MMC's and caregivers alike.

Jason
D9

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Originally Posted by onebrownmouse

I agree. At this point if your MMC does not have literature or signs or if they haven't even mentioned to their patients what is going on, patients should ask them why not and then run! (and take your paperwork with you!)

I want to let everyone know that I was contacted by 2 MMC applicants who said thank you after my filing. Colorado Care on Iris in Boulder and North Fork Natural Healing in Peonia. They are concerned for themselves and their patients and are educating their patients on this issue. And NFNH is being closed by a local ban in March.

In the long run, when they start closing most MMC's down, like NFNH, they will see that this petition is their only ray of light. It's good for everyone. And if they still say it isn't good for them, then you know they loved the fact that their competition was kicked out by 1284, because that is all 1284 did--cut out the constitutionally protected patients and caregivers from providing their overflow to other patients and caregivers in need.

And I agree, patients and caregivers are ecstatic! The positive response from them has flowed. I really don't care if 1000 people in the state who applied for this draconian statute MMC status hate me. Almost 3 million people are residents and will be affected by this either directly, as they are a patient or a caregiver, or they have a family member who will be a patient or a caregiver. 1 in 3 people in CO gets some form of cancer. That's 33% of the population qualifying for mmj on cancer alone.

So not having support from those who want me to be disqualified from my constitutional RIGHTS is not a loss for me. It's a good riddance. http://boards.cannabis.com/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif

Patients NEED to educated themselves on who is on their team.

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I don't hate you Kathleen I love ya, you say what you mean and you say it louder and boulder then anyone I know, keep up the good fight there are more of us rooting for you then against you, if you ever need any help please do not hesitate to ask me, mark:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Vancefish

Personally I agree with BOTH filings!!:thumbsup:

"ENSHRINED" in the Constitution. Is a perfect way to describe it. As, being in the Constitution means it is the HIGHEST LAW, also referred to as THE LAW OF THE LAND!

ANY law which alters, or contradicts the Constitution is illegal UNDER the Constitution. According to the U.S. Constitution (The nationwide "Law of the land").

ALL local governments can regulate INSIDE the Constitutional restraints, but CAN NOT "legally" ignore them. The ONLY way to change what is said in the Constitution is to vote to CHANGE the Constitution!!:thumbsup:

As usual, Highpop has it all wrong. YES gambling IS in the Colorado Constitution. However the amendment ALSO says,.. Where, when, how large, and what KIND of gambling is allowed!! Therefore restricting if, or where Harra's can build IS part of the Constitution.

IF, WHERE or HOW a dispensary is regulated is NOT in the Constitution. So it CAN be regulated.

HOWEVER,.. The Doctor bans, Caregiver regulation, Patient Record keeping, Outright banning of certain growers, do to being of "questionable character", Forcing growers to pay out to "privately owned" security companies, Employing "Gestapo type" surveillance, forcing background checks looking for persons of "questionable character" and BANNING them from ever even WORKING in the industry, and BANNING home delivery are ALL not legal under the Constitution. Every one of these (and likely more) are specifically banned in Amendment 20's wording! Or Constitutional Employment rights!

Do you think when Alcohol prohibition ended, that people who made alcoholic beverages DURING prohibition were outright banned from ever being involved in the very business being legalized? :wtf: NO, because THAT would be UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!

The people who supported these bills, and passed them (without the people's vote). Knew before they passed the bills (because the crowds TOLD them), That WE "the people" were AGAINST it! THAT is why they have been SO defensive and "against" MMJ (other then their own mmj businesses of course)! They took the "Kids and users just want to get stoned" side immediately after passing the bill!! Acting as though it protected the kids! BECAUSE they KNEW in court it would likely NOT stand up against the State Constitution. By taking that stand, fighting the regulation was looked at (and deemed on the news) AS trying to get drugs to users and kids!:mad:

So, you CAN change it Highpop, all you have to do is CHANGE THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT!! Unfortunately our Local, State and Federal "officials" love to regulate outside their legal power. Because WE never (or at least rarely ever) fight it. Most often WE don't even realize what they are doing!!

I use the term "WE" meaning the bulk of the U.S. people. As for myself (and a growing population) Politics IS my Football!!:thumbsup: I could not care less if ANY sports team wins OR looses. However I'll cheer on ANY politician who fights for my rights. I'll also FIGHT against any politician who LIES, or IGNORES the "law of the land". I REALLY hate the 90% which say one thing, and vote the other way!!

That's called Treason!!:cursing:

According to the U.S. Constitution, States are Countries joined under an END-ABLE agreement(hence the term "UNITED STATES"). Meaning if the Country as a whole goes against the State or it's ideals. The state can choose to leave the union all together. Giving States authority OVER the "Federal" government.

THIS Country was supposed to be ruled from the BOTTOM UP!! Not from an unruly Central Government!:beatdeadhorse:

So, WAY to go on the court filings!!:thumbsup: I'm ALWAYS for forcing the government to live by the same rules WE are supposed to live under! I was wondering how long it would take to get something going on this!!

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Ummmm,.... How did this post get Vancefish BANNED?


Sorry for the OT,... And I'm PISSED! that the Court won't hear this!!


Thank you BrownMouse for at least standing up for our rights! I'm willing to do what little I can to help if needed.

whoa?! really, was he banned for that post? If so, please where did he err? I wouldn't even ask, but I could have written that post if I was a better writer ;)

With all due respect, I hope whatever it is, the ban temporary. Good poster!

I really hope it wasn't for the football part. I'm with him on that too.

I know Vance thru work,.... it's a year ban!!!! :eek:

Something about a personal attack against another user? :confused: If so the mods must have deleted it but left the rest of the post?


Seems to me that if they're gonna do something like that that perhaps a warning to the offending party after deleting offensive sections of a post would be more appropriate than a 1 year banning.

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Originally Posted by onebrownmouse

Keep this in mind as we wonder why they did nothing on behalf of the patients--the patients didn't give them hundreds of thousands of dollars, the MMC's did.

So money won over doing whats RIGHT and just.

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You are up against some extremely sleazy people. You would not believe some of the weasels I have met since 1284 was passed who have emerged from the woodwork and involved themselves in this business. I have seen two growers who were caregivers prior to 1284 have their grows and infrastructure stolen from them by the new "partners" with whom they were they were forced into affiliation. I know there are some who would say that no one is forcing anyone to do anything and they can just get out of the business if they don't like it but tell that to a caregiver who had invested in the infrastructure to legally grow quality product for 10 or more patients prior to 1284 being passed. It's a substantial investment to walk away from. I was hired by a center to be a grower but I have decided to be a caregiver for 5 patients who don't want to be treated like criminals when they want to access their meds. I am not against paying taxes but 1284 is a draconian nightmare and needs to be shitcanned in favor of something sane. What you are doing needed to happen.
You are doing the citizens of Colorado a good deed and you have my gratitude and respect.
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And we are working on other legal means. Thanks for the support. My manic y disease doesn't allow me to walk away or let go--especially, because I'm right. They will hear our arguments.

And I agree, I do not understand why vancefish got axed. I agree with everything he said in this last brilliant post. I went to see who he was when I found him to be banned. So sad. Our loss.

Yep I agree def lift the ban on vancefish he was not a troublemaker around here.. he was a great poster and is input is requested and valued.. please reconsider

Well, hopefully I don't get myself banned,.... I just flagged my own post pleading the mods to lift the ban on Vancefish.

word.

it's so hard for the mods to keep up with everyone. seriously!

we need the real people around here!

vancefish is one of us. good local peeps.

I think I might remember what this must refer to. if it has to do w/t2... the wrong one got banned. (in my humble, ever so idiotic opinion ;) :rastasmoke:

Wow, thanks, Pat Steadman (D), for helping clean up a thin SLICE of the mess you helped create. It's the least you can do, but don't pretend or market it as for the patients.

The only reason patients need you to correct this is because you, (and the majority of) the legislature, voted to pass hb1284. There was no '35 day rule' or confusing debate about it until you all passed it, against the will of the people and the public comment.

And the '35 day rule' only affected people shopping in a MMC and MMC's themselves. Patients still have the right to use their meds immediately after a doctor signs their recommendation. Caregivers or anyone can help supply them. Any patient has the right to the acquisition of their meds.

Too bad the patient privacy issue doesn't affect you with the same urgency. I think patients are more concerned about their privacy, as cannabis use or possession is still federally illegal. The release of patient info to numerous government and law enforcement agencies (dept of revenue, all law enforcement statewide, dept of labor and employment, dmv) means they can/will be closer to eventually losing their job, driver license, children, health insurance, government aid, not to forget their FREEDOM if/when breach occurs.

Saying the Supreme Court will decide patient privacy is BS. You have been working on your language for months now and you didn't know about the Supreme Court filing until Jan 5th, when it was filed. Implying that filing is why patient privacy is not in your language is shameful.

The real reason patient privacy doesn't matter to you is because patients don't have high paid lobbyists, fighting for their rights at the capitol building, like business/industry do.

And I'm sure the '35 day rule' hurt businesses and the industry. Of course it did, because while patients 'waited' the 35 days before they could shop in an MMC, they found a caregiver who could provide for them. Then--who needs a MMC, where they will be under Orwellian surveillance beyond anything ever experienced in US, after they have found a caregiver? The loss of patients MMC's would suffer would probably put them out of business. Yet, you act like your doing a favor for patients? This language is all about business and industry and collecting data on patients---NOT HELPING PATIENTS.

If you want to help the patients, write language to repeal everything unconstitutional you helped pass in HB1284. Having the support of thousands of patients (when your up for re election) is better than the support of a few white, wealthy, mostly out of state lobbyist and their clients. It's amazing what can happen when you do the right thing.

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Originally Posted by onebrownmouse

And I'm sure the '35 day rule' hurt businesses and the industry. Of course it did, because while patients 'waited' the 35 days before they could shop in an MMC, they found a caregiver who could provide for them. Then--who needs a MMC, where they will be under Orwellian surveillance beyond anything ever experienced in US, after they have found a caregiver? The loss of patients MMC's would suffer would probably put them out of business. Yet, you act like your doing a favor for patients? This language is all about business and industry and collecting data on patients---NOT HELPING PATIENTS.

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I keep hearing from MMCs that their below 30 patients are not buying anymore. Once the people above 30 get connected with caregivers, it is going to be hard to be an MMC.

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Originally Posted by copobo

I think I might remember what this must refer to. if it has to do w/t2... the wrong one got banned. (in my humble, ever so idiotic opinion ;) :rastasmoke:

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Awww... C'mon... without me around the only posters left would be commercial growers, MMC owners and their employees, and industry hacks explaining how their businesses should not be regulated.

sorry highpop, wasn't referring to you. unless you are t.t.

"we need the real people around here!

vancefish is one of us. good local peeps."


Agreed! :thumbsup: