WW Thai log

Well I gave a dose of vertical growth inhibitor (VGI) a couple days ago. No apparent issue in first day, will be watching closely for the next few days to see how it effects the plant. She got a total of 6 mL of phosphoload with a gallon of water, slight runoff.

Still no flowers showing, no nanners either. Light time down to 12 hrs 15 mins at today's adjustment. She really liked the new pot, leaves look healthier. Not sure if I can get into next size up pot when the time comes......??????

So a picture, getting hard to get far enough away to take the pictures. Quite a difference this time I think

Awesome grow log.....This is going to be interesting.....I am watching and learning....that baby is getting huge.

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Originally Posted by WashougalWonder

Light time down to 12 hrs 15 mins at today's adjustment. She really liked the new pot, leaves look healthier.

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I'm wondering if it's not gonna happen less than 12/12,.... say 11/13 or 10/14,....


What's the natural latitude again? :detective1:

Actually, Canna, it is kinda interesting. I have been putting the plants going to flower in that room for the first 2 weeks to show her how to do this, and they all get flowers before I move them to the main flower area......I think there is a trigger there, that I will hit soon, it is beginning to look like a plant that is about to top. Very concerned with the dose of the VGI as all dosing is for hydro. Seems so far to have done the trick.

I think when I get flowers I will start another 'count' to get a better grasp on how long the process takes with this one.

Oh, latitude is Nothern Laos.......whatever that is.

First flowers show today, 4 days post phosphoload, 45 days into light reduction from 13 hours. Will now keep two counts, one a total number of days from the beginning and the other just this phase, how long it actually takes once the flowers begin under this regime, this being day 0.
Effing A!
:D:D:clap::weedpoke:

Congratulations! :thumbsup:

I am very interested to see how those genetics fill out that girl.

Sweet! :weedpoke: :rastasmoke:

Interesting, but the flowers come here and there, then they disappear and a different place may have one. Maybe just the way it starts to flower?

Discouraging to say the least.

New leaftips have had me fooled a couple of times. As the leaf is starting to appear, it looks a lot like a calyx. Then the middle finger of the leaf sticks-out...looks like a pistil...till the next day when it's a leaf.

Hopefully by this time next year we'll be seeing buds, lol. I still think Thai is nothing more than an exceptionally long-developing Equatorial autoflower.

Boy I just don't know Rusty, this plant has been alive for about 15 months now.

I got to looking really close this morning and they flowers are there at a few of the branch tips....the vigorous one's.... and there are flowers, but they dry up and shrivel to nothing in 24 hours. I guess this is the way it starts...it is so big, it is hard to look for nanners, much less flowers. Very thick and bushy.

Wife's gut say's raise your humidity and bring light cycle closer to 10-14.


It looks like it's right there, ready to pop! :stoned: now it's just figuring out what it takes to push it over the edge and make it produce. :weedpoke:

Weather in Laos

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After browsing those links,... I think bring humidity up, and temps down if possible...... Not sure what temps are currently?



I'll STFU now since I'm probably just blowin smoke anyway! :glugglug:

Well, humidity is running 75-90% with temps running 60 nites to 75 days. (approx, have not measured)

Don't think I can get much higher without causing issues.

I would assume it flowers in the dry....cool dry to hot dry season.....Summer is coming...LOL

Welll..... never mind then! :D That's pretty impressive humidity for sure.


back to watchin I guess. :weedpoke:

Another week passes.....slowly.

Full size seems to have stabilized a little with the phosphoload. Not a huge difference in size this time as you can see.

Tried to get a couple shots of the flowers emerging. The last about 24 hours and die off still, but I am seeing more every day. You have to really look close and if you zoom in the pistil is not sharply focused. It is not a leaf.

Have you researched adding UVb lighting in the middle of the day? I have no experience with this so you will need to do your own research. However, I believe the theory is that UVb triggers flower development. Perhaps it would kick start these plants? Oldmac uses them. Some people swear by it while others think it is hot air. Just a thought.

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Have you researched adding UVb lighting in the middle of the day? I have no experience with this so you will need to do your own research. However, I believe the theory is that UVb triggers flower development. Perhaps it would kick start these plants? Oldmac uses them. Some people swear by it while others think it is hot air. Just a thought.

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I thought the UVB was a morning and evening thing? :confused: Which ever way it is, might be an idea. I'll have to look at that thread again.


Hey WW,... I hit your profile up, RC airplanes huh? What kind? I fly 3D profiles,.... (well not recently since I've been trying to nail my grow down) Sorry for the OT, just another shared interest.


Any updates on the thai?

Canna....Plant is enormous, gave more phosphoload yesterday. Flowering much more prevalent

RC...My main interest is helicopters, 2.5M rotor span, electric now, but have used glow, gas, and turbine power plants. I have a turbine for sale for a heli?????

I fly scale only with heli's I do some crazy stuff with planks too, flown up to 100 inch wing span IMAC....boring....or 98" Curtis Jenny.

I am really thrilled with the big electric heli's, this is my favorite so far
This is electric, weighs 28 pounds and flys like a dream....the sounds are the electric, not a turbine....watch this

YouTube - ‪2010 June Brooks Jack's 412‬‏

The copter was indeed cool... but what I really enjoyed was that little dance at the end WW. :) That alone was worth the price of admission!
:apachecopter:

Emmie

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Originally Posted by WashougalWonder

Canna....Plant is enormous, gave more phosphoload yesterday. Flowering much more prevalent

RC...My main interest is helicopters, 2.5M rotor span, electric now, but have used glow, gas, and turbine power plants. I have a turbine for sale for a heli?????

I fly scale only with heli's I do some crazy stuff with planks too, flown up to 100 inch wing span IMAC....boring....or 98" Curtis Jenny.

I am really thrilled with the big electric heli's, this is my favorite so far
This is electric, weighs 28 pounds and flys like a dream....the sounds are the electric, not a turbine....watch this

YouTube - ‪2010 June Brooks Jack's 412‬‏

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Nice whirly bird! :smokin: I stay away from big stuff,... too much $$$$$ :( I have too much fun and fly way too hard to invest that much. (in other words I'm not good enough to do it with something big ;) )


Here's my absolute best flight that's been caught on vid. Warning, I'm into heavy metal and this flight is NOT AMA approved! ;)
YouTube - Fall 2008 PROBRO

Nice flying, not my style, because I am not able to fly 3D I have orientation issues and have to stay below the horizon

Many more flowers, even able to get a pic of them. Plant fills cube 4x4x4 essentially, and had started to grow again. Gave a second dose of Phosphoload at half of last, 3 ml. Still have only been training it, no trimming except for a few bottoms that weren't getting light.

Had a timer accident this week, accidentally giving an extra full hour of light for one day as I spaced out changing the hour on the timer. That means the light is currently 12/12 :).

Bummer about the timer. But how come you're playing with it in the first place...? :wtf:....:D Looking pretty bushy, though. Nice. :thumbsup:

Your's is quite a bit fuller than mine, which have been in the flower shed for a couple of weeks. They're against the back wall, and are a pain to get to, but I haven't seen signs of sex yet. Tomorrow is feeding and bondage day, (tying stray branches and growing tips to the wall screen) so I'll give the VGI a go on the larger one at 5ml/gal...then flush it after a week per our conversation about flushing resivoirs and such... Perhaps we can dial-in a good dosage for the Thai in soil, but phenotype might be a variable with other strains.

If interested I can go out and take some pix...:thumbsup:

Hey WW! just stopped by to see what's happening lately...glad to hear you're feeling a little better now...things still moving at a snails pace, I see. The AK doing well? I have been so enjoying mine lately...makin some AK oil now for a SUPER party tonight from some trimmings...should make for a great game! LOL! I sure won't care who wins anyway...Ck in wid ya L8r!

She's lookin pretty!!!! This is gonna be a long haul.

Rusty...Up to you on pics. The timer is integral in this plan, dropping the lighted time by one minute per day, every day until I am down to 11 hours of light. I just hit the 12 hour mark. I doubt one day will matter.

But it is getting to be a lot of plant to monitor for any nanner issues and as Canna stated it is still a long haul here.

Tank....The Ak is about done, the hairs are all brown, the trichs are cloudy, another day or two.

Well, this thing is going thru PMS I think. Just shooting out all over. Trimmed off a whole bunch of lower branches that don't get the light well. Even though I have not topped this, it has grown to 5 main branches that shoot off everywhere, the most distal of which are doing the real start to topping. On a regular plant I would say I am six weeks from done right now. Hard to say, never got this far before with this plant.

Gave another dose of Phosphoload today, 2mL more, the last dose did nothing. Getting spooky, as that now totals 11 mL for the pot it is in with minimal runoff, if any. Using 2.5 L of water a day....plus any extra on nutes. I did give a dose of BloomBastic also, 0.5 mL, I plan on a thread regarding nute experiments in advanced.

The plant fills a 3x5 foot rectangle and is outgrowing the room I made. It just keeps bushing out. It would be so cool to see what this would do outdoors.....then send it to the White House for the Christmas tree....LOL

I also have started dropping the light 2 minutes per day to try to accelerate things if at all possible. I am 45 days into time reduction/flower room. Actually at my guess of 6 weeks more to go that it putting it in the upper 90's, so might need more time than that.

I have been keeping a dated log of every nute, major changes, trimming, etc., and when appropriate I will post it as one list, by date.

Even after all the trimming she is still too big. Using 2.5 Liters a day. Close in is one of the better budding sites so far, but definitely shortening up the internodal distance.

WW....I commend you.....this is a very long haul for you.

Great log Washougal, found it a little late but I'm definitely in for the ride. :thumbsup:

I'm very interested to see how this goes, I've always been very fond of sativas in general and that's what I'll be mostly growing in the future anyway. My strain's genetics are supposedly Hawaiian/Laos Sativa, although I have 3 different phenos atm with some indica tendencies in the mix, not as pure of a sativa as yours for sure. Nevertheless I'm very interested in your light schedules and high humidity. I've been struggling to keep mine under 70-75% with no result, (no money to procure a biggest exhaust fan now but will do next grow) but it may end up being a good thing after all lol. Subbed for good!!!


PS. Is this the strain you are working with? Cause the link you provided is not working anymore! :wtf:

Peace,
:hippy:

Most strains now-a-days are either sativa dominate, or indica dominate. It's just a reference to their overt expressions and growth habits. There's a few pure indica's and some pure sativa's out there, but hybrids are the norm.

Yours is quite a bit fuller than mine, WW, but I have been trying to stunt mine since day one. I topped 'em at 3rd internode, kept fairly close to light and fan...and on Monday I gave some VGI to the taller one. Will flush her this coming monday to remove residual VGI.

Had a problem with yellowing trying to keep a lower ph, but they're coloring back up after resuming low-end norms. (6.3ish ph ingoing) I'm just going to treat them like any other sativa dominate. (unless they complain too much) Still no signs of sex. <grrrr>

Anyway, the GN Thai is tied against the wall screen. VGI plant on right, untreated on left. Anything with wide leaves isn't Thai, lol. Lost a couple of lowest fans after VGI application, and greening-up is slower than the one on the left, but time will tell. Will remove the other plants sometime this week and get a better shot of the tie-back.

Interesting plants, but no doubt about it...they're slow-pokes. Would be nice to know by now if they're male or female...

This isn't an indoor grow,... but WOW!!!!! :S5:


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Thanks Canna, gives me something to expect as far as visually. 5-6 months....Long time, I am only 2.5 months.

Rusty, looking to chomp this back to a few main branches and just pray. VGI not seeming to work more than a week per dose if at all.

Malus, looks like they updated the website, but yes, that is the company, the GN Thai.

Okay, more to report this time. Looks like the VGI has kicked in and no more fast stretching, tho it still is purty danged bushy. I think I have identified 3 main topping branches and may.....still pondering this.... cut off all the rest.

I have a few pictures of how the tops look, wispy is about the best way I can think to describe it. Water consumption is running 2.5 L per day with ambient relative humidity of 80%, temps 60-70's thru a 24 hour time span. Again I need to apologize for my crappy photos, need a decent, easy to use, free program to edit and fix my cheap camera's deficits.

Without further ado....May I present a top or two at 1 month of flowering....or so.

Hey WW...saw you'd added here so stopped by to see wassup...yea, wispy is how they look...LOL! This is gonna be one long trip! It DOES look like stuff is starting to happen tho...wow!:eek: nearly 3 months and it's just starting....an indica would be done by now! Speaking of...ya liking that AK or what?:D Have you tried anymore yet? I'm down to the tops now...always save the best for last and made the mistake of putting some oil on top this morning...I was kinda snowed in AGAIN!...WOW! make sure you make some oil out of the trimmings...very very tasty and effective! I'm soooo wasted....LOL! I don't even drink and I'm wall dancing down the hallway like a stoned cold drunk....wooohoooo...havin fun now!:stoned::stoned::stoned:

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Hey WW...saw you'd added here so stopped by to see wassup...yea, wispy is how they look...LOL! This is gonna be one long trip! It DOES look like stuff is starting to happen tho...wow!:eek: nearly 3 months and it's just starting....an indica would be done by now! Speaking of...ya liking that AK or what?:D Have you tried anymore yet? I'm down to the tops now...always save the best for last and made the mistake of putting some oil on top this morning...I was kinda snowed in AGAIN!...WOW! make sure you make some oil out of the trimmings...very very tasty and effective! I'm soooo wasted....LOL! I don't even drink and I'm wall dancing down the hallway like a stoned cold drunk....wooohoooo...havin fun now!:stoned::stoned::stoned:

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sorry WW... couldn't resist this one...
so TJ... what you are saying then is that you are tanked? ;)

Emmie

Yes my dear...I was feelin finer than frog hair. :eek: I put the oil away (FYI Sleep deprived!!! and NOTE to self...AK oil and AK tops = a sleeping pill x 3!) and took a had-no-choice nap...I'm still dazed and confused... Thankfully, I'm used to that...we mustn't H/J WW's thread, tho...it's gonna be a long one as it is! Yawn....talkin about watching the grass grow...WW's sure got more patience than I do! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Well I have a sick plant. Rusty feels it is a PH issue, I was not sure if cold had something to do with this.

So, some of the leaves are clawing, all over, not super significant yet. In discussing with Rusty, I think he is on the right track as some of the soil in the pot is over 3 months old and the buffers must be used up.

I repotted to a 20 gallon pot. Gave some water yesterday with PH adjusted much higher than normal. Want to see if that has effect today when I check.

Budding is going along nicely, the internode space is much, much shorter, still wispy on the tops, I guess that is the way it is.
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Don't know how to make pics show now??????

Hopefully you'll begin to see some improvement since you transplanted into the larger container with fresh soil. (FFOF, right?) You definatelly have enough rootspace for 'em now, lol.

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The plants twisted-n-tied to the screen are the Thai I have going. 3.5 weeks growth cycle, 6 weeks in flower, I believe. (5 gallon pots)
Was keeping water ph to 6.0 (before nutrients) but began yellowing until I raised the ph to the lower end of normally acceptable range. (6.3 after adding nutrients, 6.8ish when watering alone) They look much happier than before. After using the VGI, internode length shortened, but will have to see if that continues without further applications.
Hmm...previewing my post, looks like it adds all our pix to our album, and provides a link. That's going to be a real bummer if so. Especially for those of us with DSL.

Hope they start showing some progress for ya... :thumbsup:

We be one sick plant. I broke down and bought a soil pH tester. Interesting findings...well at least to me.
FF OF, in the bag pH 4.5
Soil pot, 1/2 gal 2-3 weeks pH 4.5
Pot 1 gal 3-6 weeks pH 4.7
Pot 3 gal closest to repot 5.0......closest to coming out of flower, 4-5 weeks in soil and the pH has jumped to 6.0....but it is gradual as the plant/pot combo is aging.
Thai....In old root ball pH is 6.5, in new soil part, pH is already 6 in just a week....got very wet.

So believe it or not, the pH has gone alkaline over the time frame of being in a pot.

Since I am right on the border of too wet - more in a moment - I gave just a liter of water with molasses which lowers my water pH. Gave 5 ml in that (a gallon dose in a liter). I figure it needed it's nutes anyway, been holding off. I am hoping today when I get to the garden it looks at least a little better.

Now, I got it too wet, because I am flat not used to a pot this bit....20 gal. The bottom in particular was very wet so I made a sort of French drain. Took a piece of PVC pipe and drilled a mess of 1/4" holes in it like perf pipe. Stuck that in the very bottom of the pot from one of the drain holes. Worked really well in just 24 hours, along with a fan on the soil at the top of the pot.

On the other side, this thing is flowering well, everywhere, definitely scrog is good for this. Buds sticking straight up everywhere.

Wow! That's some whacked out ph there, WW! RT is such a badass with plant probs! Good call RT! Hopefully this only delayed it a little...so it will only be a 10 month flower instead of a 9 month???....LOL! I hope it recovers quick, WW! Now back to my nap...