For the NO on 19 crowd:

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Originally Posted by WillyNilly

I'm talking to you, medical growers, dispensaries, illegal growers and the rest who bought the bullshit and voted against your best interests!

You just f*cked yourselves. The failure of 19 just put a target on your backs. All of you.

Liberties, once taken, rarely return. The feds just got themselves a public mandate and complete legal license to go all "Untouchables" on your asses, and they are absolutely going to.

California just told them to. The media will cheer as all those "corrupt" dispensaries that sold weed to people who were willing to pay street prices, though we all know only 5% of them REALLY need it.

I feel sorry for the 5%, who will soon have to use pharmaceuticals, rather than the safer and more effective marijuana products.

I don't feel sorry for you. You're going to go to jail, and I just won't care. You had your chance. You blew it. You f*cked me, you f*cked your fellow citizens, and, not so ironically, you F*CKED YOURSELVES!

You also set the legalization movement back at least a decade, because all you cared about was your little money-making monopoly. Well, kiss it goodbye. The DEA just got a clear signal to f*ck you hard. They've been planning to for a long time.

You just gave them the green light. Mark my words.

Adios, you self-centered losers. Tell Bubba all about how unfair it all is while he anally rapes you.

FU!

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Well said, but it's losing by 6%. That's a crushing defeat really; it doesn't sound like much, but propositions don't often do too much worse. I think the majority of the opposition really came from moralizers and ignorant parents overly concerned for their kids. I don't live in California though, so maybe I don't know what the atmosphere was like or how the propaganda from dispensaries affected things...

Since it's so close to being legal in California already, many people kept arguing that this was somehow a step backwards, or that it wasn't so important, or that it needed to be absolutely "perfect". Too many people underestimated how important this was to people in other states, like me. The passage of 19 would have triggered many other states (and then countries) to follow suite. I'm afraid this result has instead dealt a devastating blow to the cause. No doubt it will be legal someday, it's just unfortunate we have to wait a few more... decades...

The prohibitionists and greedy dispensaries make a good team, cough, cough.

Here come the feds.

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Originally Posted by eccentric

...it's losing by 6%. That's a crushing defeat really; it doesn't sound like much, but propositions don't often do too much worse.

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This statement is simply not true. We had 9 propositions on the ballot this year, and of the 5 that failed, all of the others failed by at least twice the percentage points as did 19.

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The irony is that the yes vote (46%) is exactly what the latest national polls show supporting cannabis legalization.

Card or no card, people will still grow and people will still smoke regardless if any law is passed.

Go ahead, let government dictate your life. Stay supressed. I personally don't give a shit one way or another about prop 19 or the government. I'll do what I want, so long as I'm not harming anyone else around me.

Whos down to party?!? I'm ready to celebrate yo! This is a big win for the people, we were about to get stuck with shit weed in marlboro packages, and with the super duper economy I just wonder how many new convictions they'd get with prop 19. Guess we'll never know. I can live with that. :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by Nancy007

Card or no card, people will still grow and people will still smoke regardless if any law is passed.

Go ahead, let government dictate your life. Stay supressed. I personally don't give a shit one way or another about prop 19 or the government. I'll do what I want, so long as I'm not harming anyone else around me.

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Just don't get caught. It's not legal, you know.

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Originally Posted by helpinOG

Whos down to party?!? I'm ready to celebrate yo! This is a big win for the people, we were about to get stuck with shit weed in marlboro packages, and with the super duper economy I just wonder how many new convictions they'd get with prop 19. Guess we'll never know. I can live with that. :jointsmile:

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I suppose you have all the good weed, so you supply it. BTW, that Marlboro fantasy is just that. Even if it went that way, people could grow their own.

Now, the fed's gonna jack people hard.

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Originally Posted by WillyNilly

I suppose you have all the good weed, so you supply it. BTW, that Marlboro fantasy is just that. Even if it went that way, people could grow their own.

Now, the fed's gonna jack people hard.

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You keep trying to scare people with Fed talk, Fed talk, Fed talk, blah blah. They aren't going to do anymore than what they have been doing. Go Get a medical card, don't grow insane amount of marijuana and you will be fine. The Feds want the illegal guys clearing out mountainsides for Marijuana growing 300+ plants. Not the guy who grows 20 plants in his garage. Stop being such an ignorant bastard my uncle works for guess who? THE FEDS they just did a huge bust in Cali did you hear about it? No that's because it doesn't matter. Grow within your means and you'll be fine. And not every Medical Marijuana service is about money. So you can keep trying to scare people here but for those of us who know the real and are doing this and Still going to be doing this to help people will still be here. You can grow for you, and I'll still be helping my patients and any who want good meds without paying a kidney.
Oh and you can tell Bubba I said hi tonight when you see him...
One love...
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Originally Posted by ZeroWingX

You keep trying to scare people with Fed talk, Fed talk, Fed talk, blah blah. They aren't going to do anymore than what they have been doing. Go Get a medical card, don't grow insane amount of marijuana and you will be fine. The Feds want the illegal guys clearing out mountainsides for Marijuana growing 300+ plants. Not the guy who grows 20 plants in his garage. Stop being such an ignorant bastard my uncle works for guess who? THE FEDS they just did a huge bust in Cali did you hear about it? No that's because it doesn't matter. Grow within your means and you'll be fine. And not every Medical Marijuana service is about money. So you can keep trying to scare people here but for those of us who know the real and are doing this and Still going to be doing this to help people will still be here. You can grow for you, and I'll still be helping my patients and any who want good meds without paying a kidney.
Oh and you can tell Bubba I said hi tonight when you see him...
One love...
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I guess we'll see, won't we? Get ready fo more federal interdiction.

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Originally Posted by WillyNilly

Just don't get caught. It's not legal, you know.

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As a life long resident of California...I probably know more about laws and regulations in California than most, and I also can distinquish the difference state and federal laws.

Oh...if it's NOT legal then I have a question for you;

3 months ago I was pulled over because I hadn't noticed by left turn signal had burned out. Maybe a coincidence, but I had just left a dispensary. I admitted I had an 1/8 in my trunk, I presented my recommendation, I showed the cop my weed and I was let go with just a fix-it ticket for my blinker, and was allowed to keep my 1/8 of weed, AND I was thanked for being honest.

SO, if it's illegal then why was I able to admit to my possession, show the cop my impressive strain, and then let go with no mention of it?

the people who voted No, i only have one thing to say and thats get the facts straight before you vote no on something because you are hurting and killing many lives that are not your own. human beings need to be able to make their own choices. prop 19 might go down yesterday, but the fight for legalization will never stop because prohibition has never worked!


Prop 19 goes down but not by much

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Originally Posted by Nancy007

As a life long resident of California...I probably know more about laws and regulations in California than most, and I also can distinquish the difference state and federal laws.

Oh...if it's NOT legal then I have a question for you;

3 months ago I was pulled over because I hadn't noticed by left turn signal had burned out. Maybe a coincidence, but I had just left a dispensary. I admitted I had an 1/8 in my trunk, I presented my recommendation, I showed the cop my weed and I was let go with just a fix-it ticket for my blinker, and was allowed to keep my 1/8 of weed, AND I was thanked for being honest.

SO, if it's illegal then why was I able to admit to my possession, show the cop my impressive strain, and then let go with no mention of it?

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Because you have medical. I don't need it for medical. I just want it for recreation. I guess I could lie to a doctor, but that's not my style.

If I get caught with a single plant in my house, I'm in trouble. How is that "legal?"

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Originally Posted by WillyNilly

I guess I could lie to a doctor, but that's not my style.

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You and I should trade. What do you think about Ohio? You like corn?

blah blah blah ...i'm moving to Canada..forget these losers :hippy:

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Originally Posted by mikeyman

blah blah blah ...i'm moving to Canada..forget these losers :hippy:

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Get a T5, grow your own, and screw the show owners who voted against your freedom. The T5 is cheap on electricity, and I will be posting the first week results on my clones later today. I like it. Screw those who screwed you. :D

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Originally Posted by Nancy007

As a life long resident of California...I probably know more about laws and regulations in California than most, and I also can distinquish the difference state and federal laws.

Oh...if it's NOT legal then I have a question for you;

3 months ago I was pulled over because I hadn't noticed by left turn signal had burned out. Maybe a coincidence, but I had just left a dispensary. I admitted I had an 1/8 in my trunk, I presented my recommendation, I showed the cop my weed and I was let go with just a fix-it ticket for my blinker, and was allowed to keep my 1/8 of weed, AND I was thanked for being honest.

SO, if it's illegal then why was I able to admit to my possession, show the cop my impressive strain, and then let go with no mention of it?

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yeah if a federal agent just happened to stop and shoot the shit with low joe po po and saw that 1/8 (unlikely, but my life is full of unlikelies) you wouldnt have typed that post. the only thing you be posting is bail. still in the 80's i saw plants in windows, balconies, yards, hills it was everywhere now its still everywhere it always will be. yes many fallen comrades and still people push and thats how freedom is won. thats what this movement is about... freedom.


meded for president

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Originally Posted by WillyNilly

I'm talking to you, medical growers, dispensaries, illegal growers and the rest who bought the bullshit and voted against your best interests!

You just f*cked yourselves. The failure of 19 just put a target on your backs. All of you.

Liberties, once taken, rarely return. The feds just got themselves a public mandate and complete legal license to go all "Untouchables" on your asses, and they are absolutely going to.

California just told them to. The media will cheer as all those "corrupt" dispensaries that sold weed to people who were willing to pay street prices, though we all know only 5% of them REALLY need it.

I feel sorry for the 5%, who will soon have to use pharmaceuticals, rather than the safer and more effective marijuana products.

I don't feel sorry for you. You're going to go to jail, and I just won't care. You had your chance. You blew it. You f*cked me, you f*cked your fellow citizens, and, not so ironically, you F*CKED YOURSELVES!

You also set the legalization movement back at least a decade, because all you cared about was your little money-making monopoly. Well, kiss it goodbye. The DEA just got a clear signal to f*ck you hard. They've been planning to for a long time.

You just gave them the green light. Mark my words.

Adios, you self-centered losers. Tell Bubba all about how unfair it all is while he anally rapes you.

FU!

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man! whats up your butt, is bubba making write this? really i dont understand your hostility. we will shoot for legalization at what ever cost and keep on keepin on. this insanity seems to have divided us it needs to stop here and now, thats why it was 46% or whatever. one by one states are falling to the mmj campaign people are becoming more educated and understanding. feds are just waiting for the next waste of life president to get in and believe me they are hungry. we will push and push and push until we get what we deserve as a free society...i want 100% legal, they need to be exposed as the frauds they are, no news company will even touch the subject beyond making us look like bafoons. write your local news station and ask why they dont cover cancer research, or how it helps nausea victims to be able to eat, why are other countries researching it and we ditched ours in the 80's. IF YOU SHOULD MAD AT ANYONE IT SHOULD BE THEM, MEDIA, POLITICIANS, RICH CUNTS WHO BUILD PRISONS FOR PROFIT AND A JUSTICE SYSTEM THAT HAS TURNED INTO A PROFIT BASED BUSINESS.


that being said, meded for president

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Originally Posted by MEDEDCANNABIS

man! whats up your butt, is bubba making write this? really i dont understand your hostility. we will shoot for legalization at what ever cost and keep on keepin on. this insanity seems to have divided us it needs to stop here and now, thats why it was 46% or whatever. one by one states are falling to the mmj campaign people are becoming more educated and understanding. feds are just waiting for the next waste of life president to get in and believe me they are hungry. we will push and push and push until we get what we deserve as a free society...i want 100% legal, they need to be exposed as the frauds they are, no news company will even touch the subject beyond making us look like bafoons. write your local news station and ask why they dont cover cancer research, or how it helps nausea victims to be able to eat, why are other countries researching it and we ditched ours in the 80's. IF YOU SHOULD MAD AT ANYONE IT SHOULD BE THEM, MEDIA, POLITICIANS, RICH CUNTS WHO BUILD PRISONS FOR PROFIT AND A JUSTICE SYSTEM THAT HAS TURNED INTO A PROFIT BASED BUSINESS.


that being said, meded for president

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I get his hostility although i wouldnt have said it so angrily. Your wrong about states opening up to MMJ one by one, just look at the measures last night...FAILED in all states that had MMJ on the ballots except Oregon. And that was only an adjustment to an existing law. New Jerseys law is draconian...Limits on THC? And how do you get your medicine? The ones in power are slowly chipping away at freedoms and they don't care how laws are written they jump at whatever chance they can to have control over your morals and freedoms. California should have jumped at the chance to take back some Freedoms, ANY freedoms.The law could have been amended after the fact, ask Oregon. Think they cant snatch MMJ from your lips? YOU ARE WRONG. Ask the gay community they had a law for support of their views now they don't. Only now there is precedent that says California dosnt want weed. BTW good job central coast, You did a great job at getting the message out.Santa Cruz a whopping 63% of yes votes...Thanks

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Originally Posted by Nancy007

As a life long resident of California...I probably know more about laws and regulations in California than most, and I also can distinquish the difference state and federal laws.

Oh...if it's NOT legal then I have a question for you;

3 months ago I was pulled over because I hadn't noticed by left turn signal had burned out. Maybe a coincidence, but I had just left a dispensary. I admitted I had an 1/8 in my trunk, I presented my recommendation, I showed the cop my weed and I was let go with just a fix-it ticket for my blinker, and was allowed to keep my 1/8 of weed, AND I was thanked for being honest.

SO, if it's illegal then why was I able to admit to my possession, show the cop my impressive strain, and then let go with no mention of it?

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Come on Nancy, you're smarter than that. I know because I've read several of your rather cogent posts. Your cannabis wasn't confiscated and you weren't issued a citation because in your situation it was not illegal. You had your doctor's recommendation. Come on folks, this isn't rocket science.

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Originally Posted by ZeroWingX

You keep trying to scare people with Fed talk, Fed talk, Fed talk, blah blah. They aren't going to do anymore than what they have been doing. Go Get a medical card, don't grow insane amount of marijuana and you will be fine. The Feds want the illegal guys clearing out mountainsides for Marijuana growing 300+ plants. Not the guy who grows 20 plants in his garage. Stop being such an ignorant bastard my uncle works for guess who? THE FEDS they just did a huge bust in Cali did you hear about it? No that's because it doesn't matter. Grow within your means and you'll be fine. And not every Medical Marijuana service is about money. So you can keep trying to scare people here but for those of us who know the real and are doing this and Still going to be doing this to help people will still be here. You can grow for you, and I'll still be helping my patients and any who want good meds without paying a kidney.
Oh and you can tell Bubba I said hi tonight when you see him...
One love...
:rastasmoke:

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Dude, you don't know what you're talking about. The feds will jump in on any grow they suspect is cultivating a hundred or more plants, particularly if you've acquired their attention through publicity or political activities. They didn't go after Tommy Chong just because he was distributing glass pipes; they wanted to make a statement because Tommy was a very prominent figure in the community. Same goes for a lot of the dispensaries who have been raided. Some of them weren't particularly big but were nonetheless prominent in their areas due to their activism for the cause.

And friend, we all know YOU are actually in it for the money. Saw your home page when you were still linking it. You are out there hittin up patients like many of these other clowns; don't pretend you aren't. Heck, I bet that is the MAIN reason you were so adamant about voting no on 19. You couldn't stand the possibility of seeing a drop in prices. Man, you need to grow up, get an education, and stop bullshitting everyone with your prohib-lite crapola. And I mean that in the nicest way possible!


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Originally Posted by nmesub

Your wrong about states opening up to MMJ one by one, just look at the measures last night...FAILED in all states that had MMJ on the ballots except Oregon

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Oops It failed in Oregon also...

My earlier post was over the top (I was pissed). If you don't think the failure of 19 was a huge setback for legalization, you don't know politics. There are plenty of people making big bucks because it's illegal.

It was also a green light for the feds to get nastier. 19, had it passed, would have been more protection for medical weed, not less.

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Originally Posted by WillyNilly

My earlier post was over the top (I was pissed). If you don't think the failure of 19 was a huge setback for legalization, you don't know politics. There are plenty of people making big bucks because it's illegal.

It was also a green light for the feds to get nastier. 19, had it passed, would have been more protection for medical weed, not less.

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Well, you could also look at it this way, the growers who voted no are agents of the state because we all know that a portion of the crop ends up in the street market. And since it ends up there, when a citizen gets busted, now for an infraction and the fine, they are giving the state a value added tax on the sale of their product on the street market. :rasta:

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Originally Posted by leadmagnet

Come on Nancy, you're smarter than that. I know because I've read several of your rather cogent posts. Your cannabis wasn't confiscated and you weren't issued a citation because in your situation it was not illegal. You had your doctor's recommendation. Come on folks, this isn't rocket science.

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eeeewewwwww! nancy...BURN! lol had to do it sorry



meded, you either grow or you dont:thumbsup:

there is no in between

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Originally Posted by gypski

Well, you could also look at it this way, the growers who voted no are agents of the state because we all know that a portion of the crop ends up in the street market. And since it ends up there, when a citizen gets busted, now for an infraction and the fine, they are giving the state a value added tax on the sale of their product on the street market. :rasta:

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well now...arent we special. just kidding however a not so radical theory. shhh feds are coming;)

meded for life, its ok we are taking it back

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Originally Posted by gypski

Get a T5, grow your own, and screw the show owners who voted against your freedom. The T5 is cheap on electricity, and I will be posting the first week results on my clones later today. I like it. Screw those who screwed you. :D

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if your going to use a t5 youd better do scrog, becuase t5s dont have enough intensity for penetration. just a lil hint.

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Originally Posted by WillyNilly

Because you have medical. I don't need it for medical. I just want it for recreation. I guess I could lie to a doctor, but that's not my style.

If I get caught with a single plant in my house, I'm in trouble. How is that "legal?"

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well good sir....ITS NOT! i see and hear this legal crap everrrrry freakin day and not one of these complacent people thinks of the federal ramifications of their actions. really! the whole "legal" thing is irritating. it does however raise awareness of how safe it really is so on that level i think i can live with the hysteria of mmj. like kids in a candy store...its a mad rush in and then idle minds trying to decide. uuuuuhhhhmmmmm, this one, nooooo wait this one......