Growers Guild Headed Up By John Monad of Medical Marijuana Radio??

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Originally Posted by MimbresValley

So are you a cop or do you work for the DOH?

As I said I have lived in numerous states that have medical marijuana and have been a legal medical patient for 8 years.. not every state has the same laws- you do realize that right?!?

Common sense, ----now If I have been a medical legal medical patient for 8 years and the program in new mexico is like 2-3 years old... do the math..
maybe thats the problem you are unable to due the math so you think everything is just peachy here.

anyways IMO job the DOH has done in getting meds to patients at a resonable cost is a joke, I hope Susana fires the whole DOH and gets some people in the postion who actually have the patients best interests in mind.

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I am neither a cop nor do I work for the DOH. I also noticed that you said you were a legal medical patient for 8 years and KNOW that means you moved here from another state. I am well aware that NM has the BEST program. The DOJ has stated (find the article online) that NM will not be raided like other states simply because of the program we have in place here.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, even if it's flawed. As I stated before, I know my math. Perhaps you need a refresher? The people at DOH have nothing but the patient's interest in mind. Which is why they are taking their time in licensing new producers. If there is a saturation of the market now, how do you think it will be later? And you failed to answer any of the points made in my prior posting. So that tells me much about you.

Those that can do, those that cannot criticize.

300.00 lb indoor or 150.00 half pound or 75.00$ for 4 ounces(same cost regardless).

takes into consideration electricity, water, nutrients, supplies, and a % of the rent that I pay, does not take into consideration labor /security.

I posted a detalied cost anaysis showing exactly how much nutrients would be used, how much eletricity, how much water, how much space needed in you home how long it would take.

Have you been a patient in california or you just assume the product is on par with cali? cause if you were a patient in cali and your really going to say NM is on par with cali, you have ZERO credibility.

and btw the current medical marijuana prices(10-20) various medical states charge is based on inflated black market prices, not actual production costs.
The reason cannabis is so high priced is due to it being a black market item- if we made tomatoes illegal the cost would skyrocket, common sense.


Like I said this 8lb plant grown in cali only cost 150.00 to produce using mother natures love

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.. but at the prices dispensaries/producers charge it ends up reselling for close to 40,000.00$

and your really going to tell me the system isn't flawed seriously... ofcourse buddindhope and the other producers don't agree with what I say... I wonder why?:wtf:
thats just stupid... Period

Hello CFO,
You said " The DOJ has stated (find the article online) that NM will not be raided like other states simply because of the program we have in place here."
I cant find that statement a link would be apriciated.

It is an interesting statement and I believe we do have a good basic model here. But I have read all the letters sent to the other MMJ States and the same message is in all of those letters. "Marijuana is a Schedule 1 drug and against federal Law".

I expect our Governor, who is against the MCP here, to do what the other Gov's are doing and ask the DOJ to clarify their position on MMJ.
We can not be complacient and sit back. We can be raided like growers and dispensers in other MMJ States.
The DoJ would be hypocritical not to send us a letter. The Schedule 1 is the key message being sent to all of us in MMJ States.

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Originally Posted by JohnMonad

Hello CFO,
You said " The DOJ has stated (find the article online) that NM will not be raided like other states simply because of the program we have in place here."
I cant find that statement a link would be apriciated.

It is an interesting statement and I believe we do have a good basic model here. But I have read all the letters sent to the other MMJ States and the same message is in all of those letters. "Marijuana is a Schedule 1 drug and against federal Law".

I expect our Governor, who is against the MCP here, to do what the other Gov's are doing and ask the DOJ to clarify their position on MMJ.
We can not be complacient and sit back. We can be raided like growers and dispensers in other MMJ States.
The DoJ would be hypocritical not to send us a letter. The Schedule 1 is the key message being sent to all of us in MMJ States.

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Ding Ding Ding... John your a smart guy, cfo maybe not so much.

Sorry about starting this thread back in the day... was just trying to get answers at the time and was worried about the producers guild following their own interests and not having the patients intrests in mind..

Best wishes to you john.. I havn't been online here for several months ... you still doing the radio show these days?

Ya know, I was told about that letter by a patient the other day. He told me the warningletter left out NM, since we are following a stringent model. I was looking for it as well, but I never found it.

It was concerning cannabis raids, not so much the legality of mcannabis. Let me know if you find it. I'd like to read it as well.

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Originally Posted by MimbresValley

300.00 lb indoor or 150.00 half pound or 75.00$ for 4 ounces(same cost regardless).

takes into consideration electricity, water, nutrients, supplies, and a % of the rent that I pay, does not take into consideration labor /security.

I posted a detalied cost anaysis showing exactly how much nutrients would be used, how much eletricity, how much water, how much space needed in you home how long it would take.

Have you been a patient in california or you just assume the product is on par with cali? cause if you were a patient in cali and your really going to say NM is on par with cali, you have ZERO credibility.

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Since I have no idea who YOU are and have never once attacked you in any of these posts, I would tend to lean toward you having zero credibility. Your posts are simply the ravings of a disgruntled patient. Yes, I have had MMJ from CA and I have had similar quality meds from NM LNNPs. Perhaps you have not purchased from the right producers as yet.

You can continue to spout your negative information. But remember, my first post was simply to point out to you that you were paying the same for your street purchase as I did for my medicine from my LNPP.

Those that can, DO. Those that cannot criticize.

MV,
I will do the live talk show in a few weeks on Stickam and my website. I invite all of you to call in and have great discussions about all the issues that are important to us.
I ve ben looking forward to this for sometime. We are very close to getting this show off the ground.

Question to you all: How would Friday nights 8pm to 9pm be for a timeslot?
Please give some feedback on that.
Best to you all.

If I was to buy 6 ounces off the street I would get a way better value because I would get a volume discount.

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Originally Posted by MimbresValley

If I was to buy 6 ounces off the street I would get a way better value because I would get a volume discount.

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And once again I must remind you that the rules state that the LNPPs are not permitted to offer a "volume discount". They can however offer veteran discounts and low-income needs based discounts. And if you can afford to purchase 6 ounces at one time, then you must have resources that other patients do not have and therefor should apply for a license so that you can sell what you produce at cost. There was a doctor that testified at one of the hearings that stated that he could produce for $100/pound! I hope he is able to get his license approved so that we are able to purchase our medicine at such a low price.

Those that can DO, those that cannot criticize.

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Originally Posted by JohnMonad

MV,
I will do the live talk show in a few weeks on Stickam and my website. I invite all of you to call in and have great discussions about all the issues that are important to us.
I ve ben looking forward to this for sometime. We are very close to getting this show off the ground.

Question to you all: How would Friday nights 8pm to 9pm be for a timeslot?
Please give some feedback on that.
Best to you all.

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I like that time framefor the summer hours maybe 7-8 in winter

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Originally Posted by BuddingHopeNM

Ya know, I was told about that letter by a patient the other day. He told me the warningletter left out NM, since we are following a stringent model. I was looking for it as well, but I never found it.

It was concerning cannabis raids, not so much the legality of mcannabis. Let me know if you find it. I'd like to read it as well.

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You can go to the Guild's website for news anytime. All of the other state's letters are posted. The article/headline I referred to earlier was from newmexicoindependent and it was reported on 06/05/09. The headline was "Don't expect DEA raids on NM Medical Marijuana Dispensaries".

There was recently an article on CNBC entitled "As medical MJ proliferates, pot prices decline" and dated 12/07/10. Just didn't want to write an additional post to MV.

haha. Thanks CFO, you rock. The guild does do an excellent job with their site updates. Yeah, MV is a tough pill to swallow, but he buries his credibility by himself - and quickly! But after that it is nice to get back to meeting new people with great ideas and vision.


LL, thats a great timeslot. I say you go with it and if theres anything we can do, let us know. I will email you shortly.

CFO,
As far as newmexicoindependent on 06/05/09 statement you quote, the famous statement of AG Holder in Oct of 2009, at the request of P. Obama doesnt mean S... now.
The Pres and AG Holder said one thing that they have totally done another by continuing to raid MMJ busineses in many States.
I stand by my prediction of NM not being left out.

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Originally Posted by JohnMonad

CFO,
As far as newmexicoindependent on 06/05/09 statement you quote, the famous statement of AG Holder in Oct of 2009, at the request of P. Obama doesnt mean S... now.
The Pres and AG Holder said one thing that they have totally done another by continuing to raid MMJ busineses in many States.
I stand by my prediction of NM not being left out.

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Hi JM...NM probably won't be left out. Which is partly why I am surprised that there is so much information available on the web regarding the locations of our LNPPs. I would think they would all contact any of those websites that show their information to have it removed. The only people that need that information already receive it directly from the DOH. Those that are in the paper all the time and put their name and face out there are just asking for a visit from the Feds. We all need to petition for cannabis to be moved off the schedule 1 list. Now that the NCI has endorsed the use of cannabis as an acceptable treatment for cancer patients, that should help. After all, hasn't that been the argument...no federal agency has ever stated there are any medicinal benefits? Too many just ignore the facts and fall prey to the propoganda. But patients releasing the LNPPs info or anyone else doing so simply jeopardizes the program for everyone.

Check out the letters posted on the Guild's webpage. I haven't as yet read any of them. But it says something that NM has yet to receive one.

Additionally, most of the raids have been on businesses and individuals that have strayed from the rules and regs of their state's programs when there ARE rules and regs.

Well, I have to wonder why these certain raids are going on. Noone in NM wants to be raided. If these raids are happening as the result of an investigation, thats one thing. If they are raiding just cause they can, thats another. Maybe some of the people that got raided might have taken advantage of the Eric Holder statement and started growing and distributing "excessive" amounts.

The Feds probably (I hope)know that they won't find 50lbs inventorywise in a New Mexico producers cabinet. Thats why we have the 150 plant limit. Hopefully they are more interested in shellgames, bad business practices, money laundering, and illegal distribution than shaking down legitimate and lawful producers/coops/community dispensarys wherever it may occur. Its the "bigger fish to fry" dilemma. They shouldn't even make a stop in New Mexico unless it has something to do with the Meth epidemic or border violence/smuggling.


EDIT: Beat me to the thought

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Originally Posted by JohnMonad

MV,
I will do the live talk show in a few weeks on Stickam and my website. I invite all of you to call in and have great discussions about all the issues that are important to us.
I ve ben looking forward to this for sometime. We are very close to getting this show off the ground.

Question to you all: How would Friday nights 8pm to 9pm be for a timeslot?
Please give some feedback on that.
Best to you all.

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Works for me.....

the state medicine is starting at 8.5 a gram to 12 a gram.ten strains in local disp. for that
I have been fine with those prices. since producers/distributors pay a sales tax and business tax
and probably a ton to the state . NM PPL s can enjoy a different strain from time to time
Plus not to many PPL s even produce indoors or produce good medicine at all
anyone hating the nm program , I say move to colorado or cali
NM state is the leading example for how it should work.
patients want to get medicine for good prices and in turn make money for there state
not the indivdual PPL to make money tax free and illegal.
street price 20 a gram or 400 an O . that 14.50 a gram.
same prices everywhere. and i say the medicine is better from state than local PPLs that i know
if you grow the best for the cheapest congrats. not everyone can and most caregivers cant be trusted

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Originally Posted by copalo

the state medicine is starting at 8.5 a gram to 12 a gram.ten strains in local disp. for that
I have been fine with those prices. since producers/distributors pay a sales tax and business tax
and probably a ton to the state . NM PPL s can enjoy a different strain from time to time
Plus not to many PPL s even produce indoors or produce good medicine at all
anyone hating the nm program , I say move to colorado or cali
NM state is the leading example for how it should work.
patients want to get medicine for good prices and in turn make money for there state
not the indivdual PPL to make money tax free and illegal.
street price 20 a gram or 400 an O . that 14.50 a gram.
same prices everywhere. and i say the medicine is better from state than local PPLs that i know
if you grow the best for the cheapest congrats. not everyone can and most caregivers cant be trusted

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copalo what are you trying to say? Are you saying that you bought from a friend and were not happy with what you got? Don't know your condition but if you are able to grow your own then that is what you should be doing.If you don't know how there are plenty of places to get help.But if there is no way for you to grow your own the LNNP's are getting there prices down even as low as 200.00 an oz for A+ meds.there are some conditions for that price but it is there.

I don't know about anybody else, but I love the fact you can buy legal weed.

I have been a patient now for 1 month 3 days. In that short time I have learned a helluva lot. I have learned that there are a lot of really good people out there, many of which are very willing to help people. I have learned that there are alot of people that say they want to help people but have no intention of following thru with that. There are others who just have no intention of helping anyone except themselves and don't even have the time of day for you.
As far as the dispencaries I have only been to two so far, and I have been to good and not so good. I have got several different kinds, and Damn I Love the Variety!!! As a matter of fact thats exactly what I am doing, getting a variety. I have 8 different containers , with a gram or two in each, with 8 different kinds. This way I can try different things to find out what works best for me, not to mention but I have always considered myself a bit of a connoisseur.... (I already have a favorite, love its flavor and uplifting high)

Ya just couldn't get 10-15 different kinds from "your guy", at least consistantly over the past 25 years that is. Maybe 2 or 3 but never 10-20. And I agree some are not what you would expect and some you just don't like. But I think anybody could "make do" with what is available. And price, again yes some are over priced, but overall back 30 yrs ago yhen I was a kid of 15 I was getting $10 gr bags of purple kush and skunk buds. I have some skunky buds I got for $10 earlier this week.

I guess what I am saying, in my own stoned way,

1.) What A Great Time To Be Alive. :D
2.) I have 8 different kinds of pot. :pimp:
3.) The Hardest Choice I have to make right now is, Which of those 8 different, tastey, wonderful, sticky, stinky, awesome buds will I load into my bong? :rasta:
4.) You Can Buy LEGAL WEED and it's the same price as 25 yrs ago...:stoned:
5.) You Can LEGALLY GROW YOUR OWN WEED!!!!:D

I don't see this as a bad thing.

Good to hear the program is working for you Tim.

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Originally Posted by BuddingHopeNM

Well, I have to wonder why these certain raids are going on. Noone in NM wants to be raided. If these raids are happening as the result of an investigation, thats one thing. If they are raiding just cause they can, thats another. Maybe some of the people that got raided might have taken advantage of the Eric Holder statement and started growing and distributing "excessive" amounts.

The Feds probably (I hope)know that they won't find 50lbs inventorywise in a New Mexico producers cabinet. Thats why we have the 150 plant limit. Hopefully they are more interested in shellgames, bad business practices, money laundering, and illegal distribution than shaking down legitimate and lawful producers/coops/community dispensarys wherever it may occur. Its the "bigger fish to fry" dilemma. They shouldn't even make a stop in New Mexico unless it has something to do with the Meth epidemic or border violence/smuggling.


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your Right the FED's have no reason to even be looking this way. But the 5th is just around the corner hope all turns out good and the program keeps on trucking.

LOL...Ive had my card now for 6 months and have visited all dispensers in my area, I would still rather buy my medz off the street !!! Quality is 50/50 but I know good undergroound growers who can shame most producers/dispensers. I rather pay a higher price from the streets and get bomb weed, I dont know what these dispensers are growing but its NOT TOP SHELF/MEDICAL GRADE FOR SURE !!! So to some it up I wasted $250 dollars on a medical card here in NM....good luck and dont shit talk the street dealers, we need them here.....peace

[quote=olliegrow]LOL...Ive had my card now for 6 months and have visited all dispensers in my area, I would still rather buy my medz off the street !!! Quality is 50/50 but I know good undergroound growers who can shame most producers/dispensers. I rather pay a higher price from the streets and get bomb weed, I dont know what these dispensers are growing but its NOT TOP SHELF/MEDICAL GRADE FOR SURE !!! So to some it up I wasted $250 dollars on a medical card here in NM....good luck and dont shit talk the street dealers, we need them here.....peace[/QUOTE

olliegrow WHAT do you mean "I wasted $250 dollars on a medical card here in NM" The card is more than just a get in free card to producers med's. As far as them not having what you want You have to understand what is happening with them you might think 150 plant limit is large but you have to know that number includes mother plants that can't be flowered and then you have to have veging plants that just sit around till you can flower. Growing indoors the avg. dry weight per plant is only about 5-7 oz.s.So now we get back to the plant count The producers want to be able to provide the best med's to the patients and that involves trying new strains that they can get there hands on. So lets take a hypotheticalal look at some numbers for a perpetual harvest.For a 5 plant harvest weekly.veg 80 mothers 30 flower40 WOW there went the 150 plant limit and that is for only 5 plants a week.Now there are other ways to do your timing but perpetual seems to be the best way to go about it because of the labor intensiveness of the harvest.So in closing don't be too harsh on the producers they are doing the best that they can".don't know what these dispensers are growing but its NOT TOP SHELF/MEDICAL GRADE FOR SURE !!!". The strains out there do include A few high CBD strains and as you know I HOPE you know if the CBD is high the THC content is low. It's not all about the high That is a nice side effect but not the only thing it is used for.I myself do grow my own and if I have to say it IT is dank so I know what you are talking about.P.S. you are in albuq. right? If so you should have found some A+ meds here.

Nice post alfonso2002.